Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

Thing is if MoRon shared any of the information on the investigation with any third party (ala Shane) they've automatically lost privilege in regards to them. That's the thing that's going to end up fucking them over so royally is every time they've been told to shut up on Twitter, Ron just starts feeding information to Shane. Technically the fact that Monica shared it with Ron by itself could potentially mean that it's no longer privileged information since Ron was not involved in the investigation, thus making him a third-part contact.

That's the thing with privilege- you lose it the instant you share it with -anybody- that isn't involved. "Rules for thee, not for me" is how KickVic has always operated, and it's going to be a major wake-up call when they realize that doesn't work in court. All that information they've fed to Shane may come back to bite them because not only can they not help but run their mouths, but neither can he.

Needless to say the discovery requests are going to be interesting because I fully predict there's going to be some combination of "This information is privileged therefor you can't have it. Also the scope is too broad. Also we don't have enough time. Also giving over documentation is going to infringe on my client's rights."
 
Thing is if MoRon shared any of the information on the investigation with any third party (ala Shane) they've automatically lost privilege in regards to them. That's the thing that's going to end up fucking them over so royally is every time they've been told to shut up on Twitter, Ron just starts feeding information to Shane. Technically the fact that Monica shared it with Ron by itself could potentially mean that it's no longer privileged information since Ron was not involved in the investigation, thus making him a third-part contact.

That's the thing with privilege- you lose it the instant you share it with -anybody- that isn't involved. "Rules for thee, not for me" is how KickVic has always operated, and it's going to be a major wake-up call when they realize that doesn't work in court. All that information they've fed to Shane may come back to bite them because not only can they not help but run their mouths, but neither can he.

Needless to say the discovery requests are going to be interesting because I fully predict there's going to be some combination of "This information is privileged therefor you can't have it. Also the scope is too broad. Also we don't have enough time. Also giving over documentation is going to infringe on my client's rights."
Iirc none of them can claim that the investigation is priveleged or protected by the bill of rights because it's a business record held by a third party--Sony.

You might be mixing it up with attorney client privilege, where your communications with your attorney are privileged from discovery unless you open the floodgates personally.

Really none of those objections to discovery are gonna hold any weight. They had proper notice of the production of discovery documents, it's not privileged in any way, and I believe in Texas it's allowed to be broad. The only thing they have left to protect them is best reflected in a quote from Liar Liar. "I object to this witness your honor! It's devastating to my case!"
 
Thing is if MoRon shared any of the information on the investigation with any third party (ala Shane) they've automatically lost privilege in regards to them.

I think their argument of privilege would fall apart since they have been publicly talking about the investigation, the parties involved and the "findings". Leaking to Shane further destroys it but I'm not sure they could have still made an argument of it being privileged information.
 
I keep forgetting to ask you about this. As Monica and Ron are separate defendants, does that mean that they could file separate TCPAs? I can't see any advantage to them doing that, but we're about to start hitting the time when they will be treated more separately by the plaintiffs so it just struck me that they don't really have to act in unison.

The answer will be based on Texas procedural practice. Likely, Ron and Monica will file one TCPA motion each. This would probably be easier on the judge. Alternatively, their attorney will file one motion, but address each defendant separately (there are joint allegations against Ron and Monica, but also a lot of individual allegations).

If they file a TCPA at all. I think for both of them, it would just run up the expenses for all parties, delay the case, but ultimately be a waste of time. Vic does not have to prove his case to defeat an anti-SLAPP motion in Texas, he just has to present a prima facia case. In other words, he can defeat the motion by saying liar, liar, pants on fire and that their lies damages him, etc.

It doesn't mean he wins the case. But it does mean he can easily raise a prima facia factual issue for each element of his defamation and interference claims. Which raises the question of whether he might get his attorney fees if they bring and he defeats the TCPA motions. Normally, the answer would be no, but if its a frivolous, time-wasting motion, the court can award attorney fees.
 
Marchi's probably the first to fold. She has the least money to defend herself. MoRon are splitting the cost two ways (and I think Monica is more popular and is worth more on her lonesome, anyway) and Funimation is a multimillion dollar company. Dunno how much Marchi's fiance is going to finance this circus.

MoRon are also doing absolutely stupid shit that makes the whole case a lot harder to deal with for the other defendants. I can't imagine anyone is thrilled to be on the same side of the table as these two idiots.

If they file a TCPA at all. I think for both of them, it would just run up the expenses for all parties, delay the case, but ultimately be a waste of time. Vic does not have to prove his case to defeat an anti-SLAPP motion in Texas, he just has to present a prima facia case. In other words, he can defeat the motion by saying liar, liar, pants on fire and that their lies damages him, etc.

I don't think they really have a choice. I think it's definitely obligatory for Funimation to file one. They have the best chance at such a claim, because the accusations against them are an interesting hodge-podge of stuff that somewhat contradicts itself. It's in their interest to put the plaintiff to the task of stating the case more clearly.

I think there are actual reasons the conspiracy pleading is a bit muddy and that they won't actually benefit much from doing it, but it's the weakest part of the case. Texas is a notice pleading state and, so far as I know, even civil conspiracy claims are not subject to heightened pleading requirements, i.e. you don't have to plead every single aspect of the conspiracy up front, but if I were filing a SLAPP against one, I'd try to import something like a heightened pleading requirement and see if I could get a more definite statement of what the claim actually was.

I think it's fairly likely the defendants can make the plaintiff put more of his cards on the table to keep that claim alive. It's probably worth Funi's time and money to try that, because whether that claim is alive or not is really going to figure heavily in their settlement calculus.

So, I'm gonna put a thought out there, What if MoRon have been given some defense funds from Funi/friends at Funi?Knowing how stupid their group of smucklers is I'm wondering if they were given some extra green for their defense. While I doubt it, the thing is that ti is a possibility.

I'm going to go out on a limb a bit and say no. There is no way they'd greenlight the defense MoRon made. Very specifically, MoRon pointedly do not address, at all, the claims that SoyeBoye was acting as an agent or employee of Funimation. There is no way that omission is not intentional, and it is directly adverse to Funimation's interests.

I can't imagine they are happy at all about how MoRon are pursuing their defense and I can't imagine them bankrolling the knife in their back. (Also note the situation is really perverse, where MoRon have an incentive to actually let the plaintiff win on the issue of agency. I know we mostly note absolutely stupid shit Casey has done, but deliberately failing to address this one issue is one of the smart things he's done. Don't underestimate him just because he's filed stupid shit largely on purpose.)

Incidentally, getting to see stuff like this in advance is probably the smartest thing any party has done. The cases against Marchi and Funimation are not as strong as those against MoRon and MoRon have been almost suicidally stupid. I could easily see both of the other defendants stalling as much as they can to see what these clowns do to themselves in the hopes that they somehow commit sudoku in a way that saves them.

This would probably be easier on the judge. Alternatively, their attorney will file one motion, but address each defendant separately (there are joint allegations against Ron and Monica, but also a lot of individual allegations).

To go back to this for a bit, if I were BHBH or one of the defendants, I'd probably have gone to a whiteboard to map out the adverse interests at play here, because the parties are not all on the same page on every issue, but do share issues.

To pick some obvious ones, every defendant has an interest in proving that Vic is actually guilty of all these terrible things they've defamed him about. So you can be fairly certain the defendants, if they are acting rationally, are going to cooperate on this.

However, the huge issue where their interests are adverse is the agency relationship between Ron Toye and Funimation. Pleading this was a very interesting choice by BHBH and it's caused me considerable confuzzlement in contemplating its ramifications.

Funimation obviously doesn't want this to be the case. They do not want the albatross of the SoyeBoye hanging around their neck. They obviously do not want to be completely responsible for the actions of the dumbest idiot in the case. And MoRon obviously wants exactly that. They want a suicide pact where Funimation has to defend them because they're on the hook for everything.

And the claim actually looks weak and even ridiculous at first glance until you start gathering the facts and applying legal theories of agency to them. I imagine Funimation's counsel also would have looked at this claim as almost being laughable at the outset, but then had a series of oh shit moments as the facts started lining up with a bunch of agency theories they probably hadn't thought about since law school.

Things like subsequent ratification. (And there's probably about a half dozen or so other theories of agency I won't go into until the parties do because why give the bad guys ideas for free? Let's just say though that the defendants have to win on every single one of those. If the plaintiff can prove even one the SoyeBoye albatross is firmly around their neck.)

These agency claims are sort of a legal depth charge. They're nowhere near as weak as they look.
 
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Marchi's probably the first to fold. She has the least money to defend herself. MoRon are splitting the cost two ways (and I think Monica is more popular and is worth more on her lonesome, anyway) and Funimation is a multimillion dollar company. Dunno how much Marchi's fiance is going to finance this circus.
Any self-respecting feminist will accept full financial responsibility by getting their man to foot their legal bills for them. Depending on the level of cuckery involved, and with Soye we know that's 100%, those scandalous and obviously untrustworthy bitches will suck up all the resources that they can and, after losing because they're gonna lose, dump 'em and escape with as much of her own finances intact as possible. This is how they victimize multiple men. I have no pity for Soye, but it's highly likely that he's paying most, if not all, of Casey's fees and will get totally cucked in the end. Will Shane be there for him? :lit:
 
I think it's definitely obligatory for Funimation to file one.

For Funimation, you are correct. And while I believe Vic can defeat a TCPA brought by Funimation, I'm not going to say it's a slam dunk. But for Monica and Ron to bring a TCPA, good luck with that.

Same with Marchi. If there was just ¶ 17 (caused tweets to go viral) and ¶ 28 (wants his balls, etc.), she might be able to get out on a TCPA motion, but there's also ¶ 29 (where she alleges that Vic assaulted her). Vic can deny that and their in court. Even the interference claims against March appear weaker (but I haven't seen the evidence yet).

If I was Funimation, I'd file a TCPA and roll the dice. If I was Marchi, I'd sit back, do as little as possible, let the other people get front and center and do discovery. Keep the costs down, there's no reason for her to run up the costs.

If I was Ron and Monica ..., sorry can't I can't find my idiot hat right now. They'll do whatever the fuck they want to do. I've never seen parties in a defamation action keep talking and talking and talking and providing more ammunition like these two do. What the fuck are they thinking? Leave the defamation aside, I think they are dead on the interference claims.
 
If I was Ron and Monica ..., sorry can't I can't find my idiot hat right now. They'll do whatever the fuck they want to do. I've never seen parties in a defamation action keep talking and talking and talking and providing more ammunition like these two do. What the fuck are they thinking? Leave the defamation aside, I think they are dead on the interference claims.

Larry Flynt did, but he was a crazy son of a bitch, willing to spend more money than God to win the case, and actually had a case.

MoRon though should be well aware by this point they can't prove SoyeBoye's ludicrous lies, that their credibility is in the toilet, and they're going to get fucking eviscerated first in deposition and then at trial, if they try to "prove" Ron's ridiculous nonsense about Vic being some crazed serial rapist who raped hundreds of people in public and somehow no evidence of this exists.

If I was Ron and Monica

If I were Monica or Ron I'd just flat out kill myself because I couldn't stand to live as such a disgusting excuse for a human.
 
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Larry Flynt did, but he was a crazy son of a bitch, willing to spend more money than God to win the case, and actually had a case.

Lol, true. But the difference is the Court found that no one could believe Flynt's parody that Falwell was actually an incestuous drunk. Monica and Ron want everyone to believe that Vic did in fact assault and/or rape 80 plus women and claim to have the facts to support this. Now they just have to back up their stories with the facts they claim to have. And those facts cannot consist of "I heard" or "they said" or" I read" or "everyone knows." They won't be able to point to a google doc or a twitter post or even an investigation that someone else did. That isn't evidence, it's innuendo.

Moreover, they aren't going to be able to just gather a bunch of declarations and affidavits. That might get them past a summary judgment motion. To win at trial, they need to get people to come to Texas and testify in court to a jury and the jury will have to believe those witnesses.

It may surprise Monica and Ron, but a lot of people don't want to get involved in litigation or spend time traveling to testify in court (especially if they are lying about what happened). I suspect a lot of their so-called witnesses will make themselves scarce and be as hard to serve with trial subpoenas as Marchi was to serve with the complaint.
 
Lol, true. But the difference is the Court found that no one could believe Flynt's parody that Falwell was actually an incestuous drunk. Monica and Ron want everyone to believe that Vic did in fact assault and/or rape 80 plus women and claim to have the facts to support this. Now they just have to back up their stories with the facts they claim to have. And those facts cannot consist of "I heard" or "they said" or" I read" or "everyone knows." They won't be able to point to a google doc or a twitter post or even an investigation that someone else did. That isn't evidence, it's innuendo.

Moreover, they aren't going to be able to just gather a bunch of declarations and affidavits. That might get them past a summary judgment motion. To win at trial, they need to get people to come to Texas and testify in court to a jury and the jury will have to believe those witnesses.

It may surprise Monica and Ron, but a lot of people don't want to get involved in litigation or spend time traveling to testify in court (especially if they are lying about what happened). I suspect a lot of their so-called witnesses will make themselves scarce and be as hard to serve with trial subpoenas as Marchi was to serve with the complaint.
100+

The best part is that their claims rest on accounts from people who saw Vic interacting entirely normally with someone else(at request, no less) and decided that made them uncomfortable. Third party discomfort isn't a tort.
 
I suspect a lot of their so-called witnesses will make themselves scarce and be as hard to serve with trial subpoenas as Marchi was to serve with the complaint.

MoRon are probably going to be surprised if the people who were willing to make up bullshit lies about Vic are somehow not willing to show up and get thrown in prison for perjury for actually telling the same lies under oath.
 
So, I'm gonna put a thought out there, What if MoRon have been given some defense funds from Funi/friends at Funi?Knowing how stupid their group of smucklers is I'm wondering if they were given some extra green for their defense. While I doubt it, the thing is that ti is a possibility.

Pretty much impossible for one huge reason. Ron! Sony is not going to allow Funi to in any way indemnify or take ownership for this mess. It’s no longer Funi’s money to spend. It is Sony’s and as a public company they have fiduciary obligations. Throwing money at MoRonica would violate those. Further Funi’s strongest defense is to point at Ron and say “we’re not with this asshole!” Paying him would undercut that. MoRonica are on their own.

Thing is if MoRon shared any of the information on the investigation with any third party (ala Shane) they've automatically lost privilege in regards to them. That's the thing that's going to end up fucking them over so royally is every time they've been told to shut up on Twitter, Ron just starts feeding information to Shane. Technically the fact that Monica shared it with Ron by itself could potentially mean that it's no longer privileged information since Ron was not involved in the investigation, thus making him a third-part contact.

That's the thing with privilege- you lose it the instant you share it with -anybody- that isn't involved. "Rules for thee, not for me" is how KickVic has always operated, and it's going to be a major wake-up call when they realize that doesn't work in court. All that information they've fed to Shane may come back to bite them because not only can they not help but run their mouths, but neither can he.

Needless to say the discovery requests are going to be interesting because I fully predict there's going to be some combination of "This information is privileged therefor you can't have it. Also the scope is too broad. Also we don't have enough time. Also giving over documentation is going to infringe on my client's rights."
I think their argument of privilege would fall apart since they have been publicly talking about the investigation, the parties involved and the "findings". Leaking to Shane further destroys it but I'm not sure they could have still made an argument of it being privileged information.

You both are missing the Forest for the Trees. They don’t have privilege because any privileged employer related conversations were already breached. Ron is not a Funi employee, yet he knew about the investigation. Ron is a really messy development for all, isn’t he?

Igor, Iago, and Renfeild are prolly D.C Douglas, Sabbat, and Schemmel. When we have confirmation on this I'll be sad all the same.

We keep forgetting about Samantha Inoue-Hart in these speculations. She has the feel of a Sabat toadie. And I still bet Iago is Sabat.
 
MoRon are probably going to be surprised if the people who were willing to make up bullshit lies about Vic are somehow not willing to show up and get thrown in prison for perjury
But you swore to me that Vic made a mess on your ass while wearing a clown suit and screaming JULAY JULAY in broad daylight on a children's playground in New York on Christmas!!! I was counting on you for the truth to come out!!! :) :) :)
-- Ron Boye, to an anonymous #KickVic account on Twitter

Discovery is gonna be fun. I hope they try to hide their worst shit, get called out on it and go to jail for obstruction of justice :)
 
We keep forgetting about Samantha Inoue-Hart in these speculations. She has the feel of a Sabat toadie. And I still bet Iago is Sabat.

Her fatass was supposedly part of the funi investigation (think debunked later). Said vic needs to get help if he wants to come back. Then she pulled her fake home invasion and dipped. She seems the type to do stuff that will get her attention instead of being behind the scenes.
 
You both are missing the Forest for the Trees. They don’t have privilege because any privileged employer related conversations were already breached. Ron is not a Funi employee, yet he knew about the investigation. Ron is a really messy development for all, isn’t he?
If MoRonica is actually claiming marital privilege here, then that is still a bit off the target here regardless. They are not legally married, therefore they do not have that privilege in the first place. Mr. Erick would be facing a conflict of interest if the truth of MoRon's relationship came out in court.
 
If MoRonica is actually claiming marital privilege here, then that is still a bit off the target here regardless. They are not legally married, therefore they do not have that privilege in the first place. Mr. Erick would be facing a conflict of interest if the truth of MoRon's relationship came out in court.

As has been said, that conflict is their’s to waive. But no, they will be afforded no spousal privilege.
 
You both are missing the Forest for the Trees. They don’t have privilege because any privileged employer related conversations were already breached. Ron is not a Funi employee, yet he knew about the investigation. Ron is a really messy development for all, isn’t he?



We keep forgetting about Samantha Inoue-Hart in these speculations. She has the feel of a Sabat toadie. And I still bet Iago is Sabat.

If you read my full statement I did in fact mention the fact that Ron, not a funi employee had information about the investigation, but even if he had some sort of weird legal right to know being Monica's fiancee, doesn't change that they've been spreading all sorts of information out after the fact.
 
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