Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Symbol of the Chud]

We could have overheard several conversations discussing the rumored disappearance of Undyne

You know in hindsight don't you think it's a bit weird that the town festival even happened in the first place after the fucking mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer? It's a small town, and a mysterious disappearance of somebody like Undyne should've spread a wave of fear through the town, instead it's just totally ignored for some reason.
Almost as if the festival was ordained to happen, or something.
It's either that or there is a Hot Fuzz situation going on, everyone is in on it,, and Carol intends to sacrifice Undyne for the Greater Good.

 

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

Who is more raped, Kris or Idubbz

Idubbz wishes he was raped. He is the exact opposite of raped. Nonetheless, he definitely has a more wretched life than Kris.

The fact that people choose to completely ignore all of the less savory undertones AND overtones of Suselle solely because "ZOMG HECKING WHOLSOME LESBEANS!!" as they clap like seals actually makes me depressed

Are you telling me, the type of goycattle who enjoy Deltarune are...being retarded? WHAT? Who could have foreseen this?

We could have overheard an argument that goes something like "It can't be Asgore, not after what happened all those years ago", "Well why NOT Asgore? He was the best we ever had!", "He may have been, but he's a mess now! No wonder Toriel left him"

Yeah, and same thing for Berdly's coma too. The events in the game have to feel real, and they don't when it doesn't seem to effect anyone at all

 

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

You know in hindsight don't you think it's a bit weird that the town festival even happened in the first place after the fucking mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer? It's a small town, and a mysterious disappearance of somebody like Undyne should've spread a wave of fear through the town, instead it's just totally ignored for some reason.

Toby could have just shown us Carol saying something about Undyne being on a trip or doing an investigation or something. The only issue would this would be if Carol didn't know anything about the Knight or bunker stuff, which seems really REALLY unlikely at this stage.

 

[Bixnood]

mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer?

it has only been two days.

 

[Puck Clown]

You know in hindsight don't you think it's a bit weird that the town festival even happened in the first place after the fucking mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer? It's a small town, and a mysterious disappearance of somebody like Undyne should've spread a wave of fear through the town, instead it's just totally ignored for some reason.
Almost as if the festival was ordained to happen, or something.
It's either that or there is a Hot Fuzz situation going on, everyone is in on it,, and Carol intends to sacrifice Undyne for the Greater Good.

Going a step further, isn't it strange that Onion just so happened to disappear about the same time Undyne did?

It could just be a funny coincidence, but who's to say that Normal_NPC wasn't waiting for the competent police officer to vanish before committing a murder?

 

[needforsneed]

"Lost Dream Knight" theory:

Seam tells us Shadow Crystals are the power of "lost dreams", and the Knight very obviously has to do with December and with Shadow Crystals.

The Knight itself may very well be the "lost dream" that is December's life. It may be able to spawn in any dark world precisely because the loss of December haunts the entire town.

Spoiler: Ch.5 Spoilers

Bonus: Flowery says the flowers aren't "true darkners" because they're not really inanimate objects, being living flowers. He also calls Ralsei an "impossibility", implying he has a similar state.

My theory is also "Lost Dream Ralsei": Ralsei IS NOT a mere physical object, but bears obvious resemblance to Kris's red horn headband and to his parents and brother. Ralsei isn't the red horns: he's the dream that Kris had of ever fitting in, and lost. He's the embodiment of everything Kris wanted to be, and knows he never can be.

 

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

"Lost Dream Knight" theory:

If the knight was a darkner, their identity wouldn't matter and they wouldn't exist in the light world. They have to be a lightner of sorts

 

[Professor Donger]

Gonna start the game today now that I have the time.

 

[ckcc]

jokes aside this genuinely fucking surprised me when i actually saw that shit go down. i willingly never looked at deltarune past chapter 2 and the complete whiplash of seeing this scene was jaw dropping. whats the rest of the game like anyway?

 

[Usean Allied Forces]

My attempts at farming karma keep getting nuked by reddit filters. Can someone else repost the evil susie theory to the subreddit? Every second I spend on that cesspool of a site drains my will to live

 

[smartgenius55583433157]

>make all characters white and racist

0:23

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

whats the rest of the game like anyway?

80s kids fantasy adventure plot that's rapidly unspooling into chaos as it becomes more and more obvious that every single major character is an unreliable narrator. Weird route Noelle's probably the only one who's outright about it, but it's made clear there's some very fucked up betrayal shit going on that's going to come to a head soon. It's a legitimately fun plot.

 

[Goodstuff Goose]

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The post they are replying to is 100% accurate however.

it has only been two days.

This really also applies to the Suselle thing. Nothing shown so far is really unrealistic considering the short timeframe, Susie is extremely excited because she was the outsider for most her life, and Noelle is excited because she's obsessed and mentally unstable. Honeymoon period is strong.

On another note, I'm pretty sure "leaving" is Noelle's euphemism for suicide. She uses it in both routes, on the normal route when held by Susie (who understands it as running away) and on the weird route to refer to Dess' fate. Perhaps the latter was officially ruled a suicide, which got Asgore labelled as a conspiracy theorist when denying it.

And really, both Susie and Noelle were ideating suicide before the game started. I mean the whole chalk thing right at the start showed that she was pretty much at the brink of throwing everything away.

 

[Local Wordmason]

You know in hindsight don't you think it's a bit weird that the town festival even happened in the first place after the fucking mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer? It's a small town, and a mysterious disappearance of somebody like Undyne should've spread a wave of fear through the town, instead it's just totally ignored for some reason.
Almost as if the festival was ordained to happen, or something.
It's either that or there is a Hot Fuzz situation going on, everyone is in on it,, and Carol intends to sacrifice Undyne for the Greater Good.

It's implied that Carol has completely removed any and all crime from hometown and the police are just there for show. Undyne also complains about how nothing happens in Hometown.

A quote from Alphys corroborates this

It's because of the mayor, there... there...
There isn't any crime.
Makes me wonder if she even needs the police...
Or if they're just... g... getting in her way?

Also from a logical standpoint it wouldn't do any good to publicly announce that an event that everyone has been preparing for was cancelled because there was a lack of law enforcement. Not that I think it would do anything because most of the people in hometown seem to be stuck behaving like NPCs that can't deviate from their programming. This is illustrated by the fact that in Chapter 1 nobody believes you about the Dark World when you try to tell them about it.

This really also applies to the Suselle thing. Nothing shown so far is really unrealistic considering the short timeframe, Susie is extremely excited because she was the outsider for most her life, and Noelle is excited because she's obsessed and mentally unstable. Honeymoon period is strong.

I always thought that it was Susie being too emotionally stunted to differentiate romantic and platonic feelings. It's even reversed with Berdly in Chapter 2 when he becomes romantically intersted in Susie after she treated him kindly. The song that plays is called "I guess I'm in love" which to me reads like she's just going along with it because she doesn't know better. I wouldn't be surprised if the relationship breaking down is going to be a plot driver going forward. I genuinely think Toby baited every possible ship so he could figure out which one would be the most emotionally devestating to the most people when it falls apart.

 

[Bob Barbas]

First of all
*He
Second of all, no he fucking wouldn't. He's a tranny libtard. He couldn't even dream of being that based.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Weird route Noelle's probably the only one who's outright about it,

The fact that Weird Route Noelle basically fucking turns to the camera and goes.
"I know that there's something seriously fucked up, and my choices don't feel like my own, and I feel like I'm being forced into a role that I don't think is right, except you, Kris who is inhabited by the SOUL that EXPLICITLY has the power to alter fate have managed to change me and make me feel like I can be my own person. Now let's do something crazy, and fly away from this stupid town!" (It's the same exact fucking wish she spoke about to Susie, except Susie just went 'durrrr' at her.)
and the retardbase goes
"I can't believe the player made Noelle think this" is genuinely fucking unhinged. You'd think that learning about the fucking Prophecy that is according to Ralsei, right about literally everything that happens literally a single chapter ago would be enough for them to realise that no, Noelle is not actually having a mental breakdown, because she is right. She either managed to figure out that fate exists or that she's a videogame/simulation character, but it really doesn't matter what she figured out. Because whatever conclusion Noelle drew was a correct one either way.

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If Nooseworx made Deltarune, Chapters 2-6 would be total filler, and then in chapter 7 Ralsei would troon out, call himself a faggot, and then turn into a titan and die.

 

[Starman John]

Wait, did Toby make the Chapter 5 dark world japanese because Japan is "the land of the rising sun", and flowers and plants need the sun to survive?? I literally just had this as a shower thought and the only reason i could think of for the dark world aesthetic that isn't Toby is a weeb.

 

[Usean Allied Forces]

Wait, did Toby make the Chapter 5 dark world japanese because Japan is "the land of the rising sun", and flowers and plants need the sun to survive?? I literally just had this as a shower thought and the only reason for the dark world aesthetic that isn't Toby is a weeb.

He's not that clever besides we don't even get a concrete explanation why the flower king dark world is japanese in the game

 

[scallion]

I think it's just a play on Asgore's flower beds being his "zen gardens" that overtook the rest of the aesthetic (and gave an excuse for 2hu tributes)

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

this is not the first chips ahoy landfaggots fanart i've seen but if THAT becomes what tumblr latches onto from this chapter I'm going to die laughing