Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

basically meaning "Like always..." So it seems the line is as simple as Noelle feels she herself was always telling Kris what to do growing up.

>Noelle wants control over her life
>This dialogue implies Noelle used to tell Kris/force Kris to do stuff, maybe as a proxy for her own desire for control

The "Kris was raped" theory is getting stronger every day. By Dess, Carol, Noelle, or all of the above? It don't matter, we just know he was raped

 

[Retarded Weeb]

>Noelle wants control over her life
>This dialogue implies Noelle used to tell Kris/force Kris to do stuff, maybe as a proxy for her own desire for control

The "Kris was raped" theory is getting stronger every day. By Dess, Carol, Noelle, or all of the above? It don't matter, we just know he was raped

Really puts one of her weird route lines under a suspicious light.
"You can't even say 'stop' like you used to."

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Really puts one of her weird route lines under a suspicious light.
"You can't even say 'stop' like you used to."

See, what everyone assumed was Noelle being the deflowered one in Chapter 4 was actually Kris getting raped by Thorn Ring Noelle (FREE) the very moment the thing was put in her hand. Kris truly is the Raped no matter the timeline.
A few days in the life of weird route Kris.
>Freeze some darkners with my childhood friend
>Buy a commemorative ring from long nose man
>Comatose that stupid bird that I hate but feel kinda guilty
>Get the shit bullied out of me by long nose man who my childhood friend kills
>Have a sleepover with the dinosaur, try to undo the shit the soul did in the night
>also try to get my mom kidnapped by the Knight
>The Knight kills your TV instead.
>wake up and go see that childhood friend who I hopefully managed to get back to normal.
>that asshole soul puts the thorn ring on her again.
>LV5 Shattered Rose Only one knows the rose's meaning.
>she proceeds to rape me.
>crash out and try to fuck up the soul in retaliation.
>fight the all-destroying embodiment of darkness itself and only barely win
>get home to find that mom is getting boned by that skeleton prick the soul seems to know about
>try my hardest to sleep through the entire day
>get literally forced out of bed to wander through the festival with only Susie and that prick skeleton there
>go to the lake finally
>hope Noelle isn't planning on another rape
>instead she drags me to the depths of hell itself with her gamer skills allowing her to boundary break existence itself.
That's what the little humigger gets for working with the knight.

 

[Usean Allied Forces]

That's what the little humigger gets for working with the knight.

Then again, is it unreasonable to work with the Knight if nearly everyone in Hometown is a faggot?

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Then again, is it unreasonable to work with the Knight if nearly everyone in Hometown is a faggot?

He's the chief faggot that let both Noelle and Susie slip through his fingers while he remained on the cuck bench for most of his life.
Kris enjoys the weird route, he's just bitch made about it.

 

[ShitLurker]

Weird Route Noelle going full schizo mode instead of being an "uwu aboos victem" instantly made her one of the best characters in the game and is sort of giving me hope for the normal route Noelle also having an inevitable schizo meltdown. It'd really suck if Toby didn't do anything interesting with her in the Normal Route.
I'd laugh so fucking hard if Rudy dying in the normal route followed by Susie prophecymaxxing at her causes her to just absolutely lose her shit and go full Columbine on Castle Town.
Unfortunately, that'd require Toby to be based.

I hope for this but seems unlikely. I made the mistake of watching speculation videos and it's all "Noelle is super happy with Susie but the player has to be evil and force Kris on her!" and we know the retards saying these things are the same wearing tranny socks while telling Toby he has to wait for that bullet pattern another month cause muh mentals.

So I hope that the real Noelle is weird Noelle and normal Noelle is a dead husk going through the motions, but I expect it will just be lesbian power cures the doe. The only thing saving the core narrative is if the Susie and Noelle thing implodes as it should in any realistic context and Kris was the flames of jealosy alluded to by Gerson. If we are just supposed to take them as a couple at face value, Noelle joins the party and Ralsei leaves because reasons and we get a halfassed reveal plus loredump about the roaring Knight being Dess and Noelle all like "but you can be happy like me cause lesbians" it's done.