Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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I found the direct jabs at the audience very strange too. Doesn't even feel clever, it just feels extremely bitter and out of place. We already saw a bit of this with the Mike thing, Like Toby, I'm sorry, but your new Ralsei sprites look like ass.
 
Slumbie dijo:
I found the direct jabs at the audience very strange too. Doesn't even feel clever, it just feels extremely bitter and out of place. We already saw a bit of this with the Mike thing, Like Toby, I'm sorry, but your new Ralsei sprites look like ass.
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One can only hope Toby is slapping his belly and giggling at the GOY audience which eats up the troonslop like cattle, blissfully unaware of the fact that he will affirm the morality of the "rape-everyone-route" and demolish the dyke relationship

of course, the alternative is that he simply despises the goys to the extent where he won't even make a good game, like Kripke in The Boys. This would be the worst case scenario
 
The oxymoronic European dijo:
Toby, no matter how much you seethe about it in this chapter, you can never change this simple fact;

He was better black.
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Ralsei without the hat would've been fine if he kept his general design layout from when he has the hat on. He instead just becomes an uglier and gayer looking character.
All for a gay twist that would've been interesting if why he looked like Asriel was explained in like, chapter 2 or the chapter after he took his hat off if Toby had the foresight to make the hat removal take place later.
Instead there's just been nearly a decade of speculation.
 
Hideous K dijo:
Have you ever seen someone making more sense over his schizo rant on a basket weaving forum?


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I feel like people are exaggerating Toriel getting whitewashed. She does say Kris knows where a spare key is, so he and Susie weren't actually locked out of the house, and that Sans told her not to worry about them because he saw them together, but she still got plastered with a guy she barely knows, scaring off Susie, and then kept Kris up by loudly getting boned by telling jokes with Sans in the other room, which I thought was the part people were more upset about.

It's also quite the exaggeration to say Asgore was humiliated this chapter. He didn't get to do much, but he was at least shown to be unable to be suckered into the Dark World shenanigans beyond being polite to the flowers and edges on solving his personal problems, The problem is his vagueposting means we have no idea the full emotional stakes of what happened that led him here, so it's impossible to really get emotionally invested in what he's saying and doing since we still don't quite get why he's doing it.
 
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Retarded Weeb dijo:
The problem is his vagueposting means we have no idea the full emotional stakes of what happened that led him here
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This right here is the greatest failure of Ch. 5.
The Normal route has no emotional stakes at all, really. (Even less post the grand cuckening unless you have a cuckoldry fetish)
Like, theres nothing to really make the player feel invested in the normal route? Like, OK Asgore got kidnapped, but then so did Undyne in ch3 already, so it's just repeating a plot point with somebody Kris (but not the intended player, who is intended to care more about the major character from Undertale with the second toughest boss fight instead of the guy with like 5 minutes of screentime and a boss fight he sandbags) cares about more.
There's also some vague "save the world" stuff going on, too, but a story needs more than the barest minimum JRPG save the world incentive to work, especially if you're meant to take the story seriously.
This complete lack of any major incentive for the players to care about is what's driving effectively everyone to hyperfixate on Normal_NPC and the Weird Route. Because those are actually interesting to the player and have more "personal" stakes. Like, Onion-san was a friend who was outright murdered, and the Weird Route feels like the player's actually got to choose it.
In truth, despite all the theory bait, I really can't bring myself to give a fucking shit about Dess because Toby has decided that not only is "Show don't tell" is overrated, but he's also decided that "Reveal vague information snippet in ARG and hidden in gamebase that .35% of playerbase will interact with, don't tell" is the preferred choice. There's no fucking reason for him to have not yet shown the players a design for Dess. It's chapter 5 and we still have no idea what the fuck happened to her.

FACT: The real reason that Dess was erased from existence is because Gaster caught her smoking weed (unique leaves) and screamed at her that she was going to get the game an M rating from the ESRB and then had Normal_NPC turn her into a guitar.
Wonder who in Hometown has the grow op. I bet its Pizzapants.
 
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Retarded Weeb dijo:
It's so quite the exaggeration to say Asgore was humiliated this chapter.
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-Supposed to be his chapter
-11 minutes of screentime (and no it's not like he permeated the narrative in an interesting way either. Half of it was him fucking around, the other half was us seeing occasional seems of him obsessing over the dark world)
-Entire arc is resolved in 3 minutes where he goes "I was such a stupid fucking chud...Guess I'll be better"
-Kidnapped without a fight immediately after.
Asgore was completely and utterly raped.

Symbol of the Chud dijo:
In truth, despite all the theory bait, I really can't bring myself to give a fucking shit about Dess
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Yeah I agree. I'm way more invested in your theory than anything else atm. Roaring knight could be Dess, Carol, Rudy, the rape child of Kriselle, Papyrus, idk and idc.
 
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Symbol of the Chud dijo:
In truth, despite all the theory bait, I really can't bring myself to give a fucking shit about Dess because Toby has decided that not only is "Show don't tell" is overrated, but he's also decided that "Reveal vague information snippet in ARG and hidden in gamebase that .35% of playerbase will interact with, don't tell" is the preferred choice. There's no fucking reason for him to have not yet shown the players a design for Dess. It's chapter 5 and we still have no idea what the fuck happened to her.
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I think this one reason why I would want for Dess to be revealed to be both the knight and a villain. Because then there might be enough of a twist to justify stringing the mystery along for so long and it wouldn't be that hard for Toby to get us to feel something about her within a chapter or two. If she's just an innocent victim sitting around in the cosmic recycling bin or whatever, then it's hard to imagine there's enough interesting about her to making saving her at the end feel like anything but "Oh okay. That's cool. She's seems nice, I guess."
 
invisibult plus+ dijo:
Tried my hand at it.
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I was thinking like hand drawn instead of more general schizo sloppa but eh
John Hazbin dijo:
this is slightly off topic but Andrew hussie has apparently never played deltarune or undertale and does not know much about it:
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Image would be more accurate to current situations if hussie was in his juggalo getup he's taken a liking to the last few years.
...And maybe toby covered in foam
 
You Can't Un'Ape The Doe dijo:
How much research have you done into Toby Fox's life and everything associated with it? Jesus Christ.
Or is your knowledge of that just coincidental
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I remember wondering about that specific character doll in Seam's shop years ago. I've not done that much research into every aspect of the game. I don't really think that Toby is the sort of guy to write a story that requires shit like proper philosophical deep dives and historical/folkloric research really. It's clear that most of Toby's ideas are derivative of other videogames he played as a kid, so I don't really think there's any real religious meaning behind it all? There could be something, but IDK I just don't see it? I mean there's maybe something there considering Asriel's final form in Undertale being an Angel and Azrael being the Angel of Death in Islam.
Though it's more likely to just be Toby playing his anagram games again.
Asriel Dreemurr = Serial Murderer
 
Symbol of the Chud dijo:
This right here is the greatest failure of Ch. 5.
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It's a huge misstep and honestly soured me on the whole thing for a good while. Looking back, it's actually not that bad of a chapter (especially gameplay-wise) and I like the Flowers as characters...but god damn, throw us a bone here Tony. You can't even mention Dess's name when Asgore discusses The Incident? I know that he and Kris know what happened, but that means nothing to me as a third party.
 
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