Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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Yeah I 100% agree. Kris is meant to be a distinct character, so the "they" stuff is either
-Toby just wanting to keep it from Undertale and not make it immediately obvious that Kris is meant to be separate from the player
-Toby wanting to do it because technically Kris is "two" people (even though no one else would know that)
-Toby wanting it to be ambiguous which makes no sense because Kris is his own person
Did you just plagiarize my previous poost on the uppercase-K Kiwi Farms? This genocide run... starts now.

-Or Toby genuinely believing "Non-Binary" is a thing
The quality of the plot will immediately sink if Toby so much as gives a nod to Kris being non-binary. I can (barely) accept the gay ballerina tutu nigga because he's in the end just a flower trying to be human, but if Kris turns out to be some coat of trans, it's all over, folks.

I don't need to see another deranged fanart of Ralsei with breast reduction scars.

One of the big reveals at the end is going to be that everyone refered to Kris as 'they' because they refered to Kris AND the soul at the same time. After their subsequent separation in the finale, everyone is naturally calling him a "he", and people going to fucking lose their mind.
It would fit Toby, as this kind of play on words with multiple meanings is exactly what he does constantly.
God, I wish. I'm huffing the copium cannisters™️ as we speak.
 
Did you just plagiarize my previous poost on the uppercase-K Kiwi Farms? This genocide run... starts now.
I'm sorry xir...please forgive me *transheart*
but if Kris turns out to be some coat of trans, it's all over, folks.
Yeah I'll be unhappy, but at the same time it also guarantees that Kris will be evil, because every "later-revealed-to-be-trans" character in fiction is either self-mutilating or a horrible person.

Also even if Kris is revealed to be a tranny, someone will just make a mod that cuts that out and makes his pronouns "he," so it'll work out in the end. Infact, it seems like there are already a few mods like that on gamebanana and steam.
don't need to see another deranged fanart of Ralsei with breast reduction scars.
Mate where the fuck have you seen that
 
looking around on Starman.net, Toby's art style reminds me of Jhonen Vasquez. 🤔
https://starmen.net/vote/vote.php?id=15330
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The reddit delta slop opens up his mouth when shit comes headed this way.

I can see why the Jews think of the goyim as cattle, casually jerking off a chapter that brought absolutely nothing in the story forward and was basically a cuck plot.
 
The reddit delta slop opens up his mouth when shit comes headed this way.

I can see why the Jews think of the goyim as cattle, casually jerking off a chapter that brought absolutely nothing in the story forward and was basically a cuck plot.
The only thing that this chapter did was fuel schizo theories, which deltasloppers on reddit decry anyway.
 
The obvious insecurity really makes this. There's clearly a desperation to stay in the position where all of their whims, aided by threat of excommunication or worse, are accepted. Even if they can't use reasoning for this headcanon VALID TRUTH, they seem to believe that they deserve this "representation" (admitting that they're narcissistic enough to place huge worth on a mirror of themselves in fiction), and that it's a fault of your character if you reject this.

My personal delight is when they make the argument that anything that denounces this is incongruous with enjoyment of the game, since as has been repeated here, this would imply that ideological validation is the only value of the work that they perceive.
 
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More interesting shit, this time from the Organnik Philosophers from Chapter 4:
* You sought to return the dream.
* But the lighting of the mind has changed. At best you can only see another side.
Return the dream? Another side? I wonder what it could mean... (It's ostensibly talking about Susie's attempt to recreate the First Sanctuary, but you know Toby and his love of double meanings.)
 
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Art should never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER disagree with trannies on anything. Everything must appeal to their tastes alone.
People who say that phrase should just say "I like it, and that's all that matters." The word "disturbed" has a lot of meanings, and there are some types of "disturbed" that warrant a trip through the woodchipper.
 
Serious question, is there anything in the game that ever so slightly hints at Kris having a crush on Noelle over Susie or its just people thinking him and :feels: have the same interests in the weird ruote?
 
Serious question, is there anything in the game that ever so slightly hints at Kris having a crush on Noelle over Susie or its just people thinking him and :feels: have the same interests in the weird ruote?
It's mostly people thinking of Kris and Noelle as childhood sweethearts whenever you go out of your way to try to get Noelle and Kris scenes together, as they were clearly much closer when they were kids.
There's also this line from one of Tenna's boards
* IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUSH YOUR LOVED ONES AWAY, SOMETIMES.
There's also what Kris says to her in the Weird Route in between Chapters 2 and 3.
* What about... what about last night? What about...
* Didn't you... want to... protect me...?
True (Soulless) Kris outright saying he wants to protect Noelle is a bit of a tell that he does still care a lot about her, even if he's keeping his true feelings hidden.
Interestingly, on the flip side, Asriel took "How to Draw Dragons" out from the librarby around 7 years ago, so the attraction to purple lizards seems to be something that both Kris and Asriel share, despite the fact that Asriel was clearly in love with Dess.
 
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