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I got curious and checked Danbooru. There's art of exactly 3 characters from Ch5: Pink, Aqua, and Flowery. Zero of any of the other flowers, even in group shots, best I can tell.
I'm gonna sperg about fanart for a minute
I do really like how since Noelle has Carol's hair and Rudy's horns, now a few people (but fewer than you'd think, like the above artist) have decided Dess has Rudy's hair and Carol's horns. She's always looked a little bland with the normal antlers to me
And literally the one indie westerner that they actually trust, more or less. He's every nintenfag's wet dream come true, but actually has the mental capacity to not tard rage
I'm avoiding the thread like the plague till I finish it and do a proper weird route run. But wanted to vomit some thoughts. MY GOD is it tranny plagued to high hell or am I going insane (secret boss, Ralsei's "favorite drink", the blue flower)? Also, beat the secret boss, what a goddamn letdown. The fight itself was fun mechanically, but between the tranny undertones and with Jeevil, Spamton, Roaring and Garson, having it be what amounts to a fucking joke fight is a huge downer. As for the festival prior, some neat things, but the Sussie Noelle thing just does not work, it honest to god does not. Kris and Sussie? Yes, Kris and Noelle? Can see it. Hell, Berdly and Noelle? Something could be there. But Sussie and Noelle is Toby smashing two women together while screaming "KISS FOR MY YURI FANTASIES!"
And as for Asgore... haven't seen the end, but I'm not feeling particularly optimistic with how it's looking. I can already see a weeping apology of how he was wrong or something due to obsessing with the dark worlds and the case or whatever. But that's my last hope· For now, big step down from chapter 4.
Had to turn the game off because the stupid faggot goat kept being a BULLY to the funny little punching mouse. Just reached Mew Mew last night. I assume I'm nearing the end.
We got Reheated leftovers because tony cux couldn't be bothered to add mad mew mew to non-switch versions.
Nobody ever liked mad dummy's character, trying to salvage it once with mew mew never worked, doing it again only wasted everyone's time.
Its a well executed fight, don't get me wrong but really, its a bunch of effort for something that was always gonna be mid at best.
Noelle having a crush for Susie was fine as a gag, but having it developed this much was just plain weird.
There are parts of it that works, but seriously Kris and Susie works better and kris knows, he doesn't shows it much but he's very jealous of noelle and has a crush on Susie.
See you can tell this is fanart because it involves Susie taking notice of Kris' feelings and being worried about them on a level beyond Kris acting in strange ways that might ruin her hero LARP like the Weird Route.
Susie's weird route/side b meltdown when she realises that her fun is over will be incredible.
No Kris = no Soul
No soul = no sealing Dark Fountains.
No sealing Dark Fountains = no more adventures.
No more adventures = she goes back to being an outcast.
Weird Route has no real negative consequences, not like Genocide, fuck, even Sans seems to support the idea of the Weird Route, because it's fundamentally not really evil at all. Not like Genocide is. It's a desperate attempt to escape from an ordained future by breaking somebody free of the bizarre conditioning everyone seems to be trapped in, and Kris/the Soul isn't basically a fucking Determination Fuelled Reality Warping Godchild like Frisk was and can't just fucking fight God.
Really, the worst thing that's happened is killing Berdly, and 1) he's not even really dead, and 2) True Noelle evidently fucking hated him.
The fact that so many "fans" think that Sans, Mr. "You can kill literally everyone including my brother but pussy out on Mettaton NEO and I'll let you pass" is going to be especially mad that the player did the light world equivalent of freezing some computer programs, sticking a thorn in her finger and putting one (in universe, sorry Berdly) annoying asshole in an ice coma is really fucking funny.
Do you think Toby, a Deep Lore that's 2deep4u obsessed autist enjoys the fact that 99% of the people who play his games can barely even read the text, nevermind the subtext, all while screaming "MEEDEUH LEETRACY!" at anybody who tries to bring up deeper meanings behind things?
I know this is the future he chose, but having a fanbase composed mostly of goycattle who just consume his magnum opus like it was any other surface level slop has gotta make a guy like Toby feel a little resentful.
The only places that his game can be truly discussed are fucking places like here or 4chan. Otherwise it's just "Uhm, chud? Don't you know you're EVIL for making the fictional character do something WRONG?!" or "Uhm, chud? Don't you know you're HOMOPHONIC for questioning xeir pure and happy lesbrian relations!?".
The biggest problem with this game is how Toby hasn't managed to replace all the trannies with soulless Japanese bugmen developers that only eat a single bowl of rice, work 18 hours a day and won't ask for their genderspecial values to have some sort of representation.
Also Toby seriously needs somebody to Clockwork Orange him and tie him to a chair with his eyes forced open while he's forced to watch the realities of faggotry.
If you're of the opinion that chapter 4 weird route was a metaphor for rape then you may have noticed the lake scene also has sexual overtones. After reaching a certain depth in the lake
Kris can't stop and can only proceed, Noelle gets more excited throughout and there is even a climax at the end. Seriously, reread the dialogue through that lens and you will see what I mean. (although I could just be dirty minded).
Yes, Chapter 4 was the initial sexual assault, but Chapter 5 is where Noelle gives in and they go all the way ("doing something crazy") until Noelle pretty much orgasms at the end. I mean, she screams Kris' name with a face of ecstasy while you keep pounding away faster and faster on that "Proceed" button.
And if you abort the route, Susie even mentions that she thought Kris and Noelle were a couple because of the way they acted.
It is 100% intended to be both an allegory for 2 teenagers eloping and fucking on the beach, while at the same time representing a suicide pact where the two kill themselves together. But what effectively happens is them leaving the boundaries of the game and ending up where Chapter 7 would normally take you (under the town).
> You will never see Berdly and Seth in the same room together and how unbelievably cringe it will be (in an endearing, can't-look-away sort of way like a car crash)
> Seth will never overinflate the fuck out of Berdly's ego, to the point that Berdly forces us into another, much harder fight to prove his gamer skills
Why would Tobert do this to us?
> You will never see Berdly and Seth in the same room together and how unbelievably cringe it will be (in an endearing, can't-look-away sort of way like a car crash)
> Seth will never overinflate the fuck out of Berdly's ego, to the point that Berdly forces us into another, much harder fight to prove his gamer skills
Why would Tobert do this to us?
Plantners likely won't turn to stone during the Roaring. You might still get that chance once that goes down. After all, I can't imagine that we've seen the last of them, or Gerson for that matter.
> You will never see Berdly and Seth in the same room together and how unbelievably cringe it will be (in an endearing, can't-look-away sort of way like a car crash)
> Seth will never overinflate the fuck out of Berdly's ego, to the point that Berdly forces us into another, much harder fight to prove his gamer skills
Why would Tobert do this to us?
True. But the overt tranniness has gone into overdrive. It akso confuses the themes to high hell. Ralsei is talking of destiny, predetermination, how everything is in a one track into oblivion and in the middle I get a "blue and pink" drink and him being called "princess" which suddenly poisons the game logic narrative with whatever faggotry Toby or his trannies are pushing (MY GENDER IS NOT PREDETERMINED REEEEEE) and I don't know if my brain is just broken from culture war shit, but Railsei basically saying he could burn everything to ashes but acts lile a faggot to contain his TOXIC MASCULINITY is where my brain is going. Leaving aside that there was never anything about traniness with Ralsei. Faggotry? Plenty, but this comes out of left field and raises questions about Asriel as well. "The doe is dead, therefore I shall be the doe!"
We got Reheated leftovers because tony cux couldn't be bothered to add mad mew mew to non-switch versions.
Nobody ever liked mad dummy's character, trying to salvage it once with mew mew never worked, doing it again only wasted everyone's time.
Its a well executed fight, don't get me wrong but really, its a bunch of effort for something that was always gonna be mid at best.
Yeah, the fight itself is great, but there is zero appeal or interest to it outside of the mechanics. I get you need to take things down from chapter 4 to raise them back up, but the secret bosses were always where the nugets of the REAL plot were suggested. Last shadowshard boss and it's nothing.
Noelle having a crush for Susie was fine as a gag, but having it developed this much was just plain weird.
There are parts of it that works, but seriously Kris and Susie works better and kris knows, he doesn't shows it much but he's very jealous of noelle and has a crush on Susie.
I found it very amusing that after picking Kris and Sussie as king and queen and showing it to Noelle, Kris added some drawings to add more to the mockery. The mute indeed knows whats up.
On other more possitive notes. I've found Flowery pretty entertaining and his anime intro took me for a loop. Aqua has been consistently entertaining and I had a lot of fun with Yellow till Blue appeared (every time I read evidence I heard it in Null's voice mocking Ralph).
The music kind of mixed. I like most of the flower themes and some of the dark world themes, but nothing is reaching sanctuary heights and after the new battle theme, another (worse) remix of rude buster just ain't doing it.
