Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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It seems like the secret bosses and maybe the eggs will have some bearing on the ending, but what about starwalker or friend encounters (namely the one in chapter 5 where you have to specifically encounter him). Does anyone think that will be relevant? I haven't got all the friend or starwalker shit so I don't want to have to get them if it's not relevant
 
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Also Mew Mew's body still cares more about Kris than ANYONE ELSE even though Susie and Ralsei (the fat cunts) tried to ruin the date.
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It'd genuinely be better if Kris was an autistic neckbeard teenager with his anime catgirl doll (no troon ghost here), attempting to stop the roaring without Barney the Cockblocker or Moloch. Because at least that wouldn't fall completely flat in seriousness, having a huge joke as the premise.

Currently, the writing of this game feels like stitched together Tumblr writing prompts with bad consequences. For example...
"The player and player character are separate, and he ✨they✨ understandably resents the player!" Cool idea. How is this going to affect the story?
"Well, the player character moves off-screen for some unknown plan and subverts any choices that might give answers to your questions!" Despite the SOUL being a being that should be able to move regardless, as shown in the Holiday House sequence? No. That's terrible.

Probably why I've been attached to it for so long. Now I'm tired of these hack writers who come up with unique ideas and ruin it due to their political leanings that totally aren't ones, and/or a desire to subvert every writing concept in the stories that they've previously read.
 
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You Can't Un'Ape The Doe dijo:
It seems like the secret bosses and maybe the eggs will have some bearing on the ending, but what about starwalker or friend encounters (namely the one in chapter 5 where you have to specifically encounter him). Does anyone think that will be relevant? I haven't got all the friend or starwalker shit so I don't want to have to get them if it's not relevant
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Stalwalker seems to be unironically closely tied to friend/eggman bs

he appears naturally near ch1 and ch5 egg rooms, and according to him he is an original starwalker while the fallen starwalker with wings is not original. this connects him to ch4 egg room with roots prophecy, where there is a book about fallen star making rivers with it tears. thus it might be important to catch him as he is relevant, but probably not too important

my hypothesis is that fallen starwalker represents gaster, while original starwalker is forgotten man and he is the creator of the old timeline. susie is gaster's porky and evil and shit.
 
Goddamn it, with just a few new lines I have revived hopium that chapter six could be packed with plot movement and interesting things, and get the story back on track after all.
 
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I'm actually curious to see where the whole thing with Pink/Mew Mew goes. Considering she's the first Shadow Crystal holder we get to recruit into Castle Town. Yet suspiciously, the chapter ended before we could actually meet her there, leading me to believe she might have more significance than previously thought. Now that she might have some sort of connection to Friend, I'm curious to see what she actually does in Castle Town. Most likely, she'll join up with Seam, but only time will tell.

Remember, if people are allowed to call Mew Mew a transvestite with little to no basis. Than you're allowed to say that she is a real, genuine, biologically female ghost. It's true!
 
I mean iirc the Ghosts don't even have sexes. They're just kind of... blobs.

Outside of Toby calling Napstablook a he and getting raked over the coals for it.
 
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Breaking news: A patch got released and Pink now talks about Friend
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=6mwahy1AN2M
It implies that Friend is hunting for the eggs and eggman and there may be multiple copies of Friend.
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Damn, does this mean that FRIENDs have been a pack of Gaster's dimensional janny hitmen who'll literally kill and eat whoever's been messing with the game? And the only way to evade them is to semi-erase yourself from existence and hide in the cracks of reality? Is this why finding the Forgotten Man is considered an "ISSUE" by Gaster? Because we're engaging with the parts of the world we're not supposed to? What's inside the eggs that's so important? Was the Normal NPC butchering and feeding us Onion a warning? About what might happen to US if we delve too deep?
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Alright, after the mild disappointment that has been the normal route of Chapter 5, I think that my interest in the game has genuinely been perked up again.

What is this feeling?

Am I... trusting the dog?
 
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Seeing the post-nut clarity of Chapter 5 and people finally seeing "wait a minute guys, this writing might be ass" has been glorious. Deltacriticizers fully vindicated.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XuCJttSasDQ
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This guy's review of chapter 5 is gonna great.
Mainly because it doubles down everything he didn't like about the direction of the story, character development and especially the chapter antagonists ever since chapter 2.
 
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