Transgender Bathrooms - The growing crisis.

[Steve Mayers]

Just use whatever bathroom you feel most comfortable using. The whole men using it to molest young girls argument is nothing more than the latest rehash of the old and untrue gays are pedophiles bullshit.

 

[The Knife]

There's also the matter that the NC law as written is unenforceable. Police have not been given instructions on what to do about this law and several police reps interviewed have said that in most cases, the best they can do is ask people to leave--and they're not even sure they can do that unless they're physically on the scene when the event occurs, since people can pee a lot faster than an officer can be dispatched. They don't have the manpower to assign officers to every bathroom where a violation could potentially take place. They've also not been instructed on how to determine whether or not the law's even been broken--do you check their ID or do a crotch-grab or what? They're not even sure whether or not this means they can physically enter a bathroom. If NC was actually concerned with a crime being committed, you'd think they'd bring their officers up to speed, but they haven't. This is not a law meant to protect anyone or to prevent any crime; it's a law that uses public policy to make a moral statement.

It's also a backdoor bill: tacked onto the bathroom bill was another bill forbidding city governments from setting their own minimum wages. The Bathroom Bill itself is probably going to get shot down in a higher court, but the minimum wage law will remain. When it happens, the NC elected officials will get exactly what they wanted out of this: the chance to look pious and righteous about protecting women and children from the scary homogays, and a law screwing over minimum wage workers. There is absolutely no loss for them.

 

[melty]

It's kinda SJWish, but someone made the point that the government can barely prevent real men from assaulting women, so going overboard trying to prevent fake men from assaulting them is kind of dumb.
I don't think it's really an issue. I've been in a few unisex bathrooms and that's not a big deal so I don't see why this is really.

 

[Billy_Sama]

I got a solution, just have no more public bathrooms anymore. The only choice people will has to defecate at is in a bush or the street thus not having the need to have gendered bathrooms.

 

[Jacquetta]

I don't really give a fuck whether the person in the stall next to me is trans or not, to be honest. Pretty sure most trans people just want to take a leak too, not make everyone hold hands and sing kumbayah.

 

[*Asterisk*]

I oppose letting people use restrooms of their opposite gender when they don't bothering trying to pass or when they're doing it for the sexual thrill, but that doesn't mean any government should pass laws which are either unenforceable in a practical way or which would be so horrible if enforced they'd leave us worse off than before their implementation. If someone's already passing, it won't be an issue. If they aren't, how the hell is this supposed to preemptively stop them unless you make enforcement so punitive, reactionary, and Orwellian that you just make things worse? It's like trying to cure a hangnail by amputating your arm at the shoulder.

Not to mention that issues like this can already be dealt with easily enough without having to call the cops by beating up the retarded translatin@ who's been staying in the girls shitter at the local homeless-teen shelter for the past four hours: you beat the dogshit out of the sons of bitches.

 

[Mrs Paul]

I wonder how the people behind this law are going to react when this dude walks into the ladies room.

Honestly, what do these guys think goes on in a ladies room? Nobody's getting naked -- unlike men, women do their business inside stalls. You also notice no one mentions young boys being molested. As long as you flush and don't make a mess, I honestly do not give a shit. (No pun intended.)

As far as unisex restrooms -- that might be practical for parents. That way you don't have t worry about bringing your kid into the opposite sex bathroom.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Thing is, Ghost was hilariously right about how stupid the law was. If you pass. Who the fuck is going to challenge or stop you? Someone like Buck isn't going to be yelled at or called out by someone.

Actual trans people are 9/10 not going to be challenged because... what kind of utter hilarious embarrassment will the establishment suffer by accidentally rounding on some ugly chick or effeminate guy?

They'd kick off to the tune of a free meal or drinks, if it happens often enough (or the story of it does anyway) then various places will stop trying to enforce it.

The fact is these laws are unenforceable, and the people writing them damn well know it. They're written to allay fears of crazed voting blocks that they want to secure, in this case it's the evangelists who wouldn't piss on a trans person if they were on fire.

 

[Trickie]

The state ordinance still allows transwomen who legally had their birth certificates changed to use the women's room

There are several states such as Ohio, Kansas, Idaho and Tennessee that do not allow you to change your birth certificate. Even the ones that do often have surgery requirements, so if you're still transitioning and are saving up for your surgeries, you're SOL there.

 

[Joan Nyan]

There are several states such as Ohio, Kansas, Idaho and Tennessee that do not allow you to change your birth certificate. Even the ones that do often have surgery requirements, so if you're still transitioning and are saving up for your surgeries, you're SOL there.

The idea of being able to change your birth certificate seems ridiculous to me. It's a record of the circumstances of your birth, you can't just retcon out parts you don't like and pretend you were born differently.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

The idea of being able to change your birth certificate seems ridiculous to me. It's a record of the circumstances of your birth, you can't just retcon out parts you don't like and pretend you were born differently.

I do think that they should be able to change their gender on their driver's licenses but with some indication that they are trans on it in order to help ER doctors

 

[Trickie]

I do think that they should be able to change their gender on their driver's licenses but with some indication that they are tranny on it in order to help ER doctors

Okay, but an ER doctor isn't going to go looking into a patient's wallet unless they know that there's information in there that they need, right? You don't want to suture a patient's wounds unless you know whether to make them into girl stitches or boy stitches, afterall.

We should have something that can be worn on clothing instead. Like a badge in the shape of a pink triangle or something, just as a random example.

 

[Mrs Paul]

There are a lot of trans people out there who pass pretty well -- I mean, unless they tell you they're trans, you wouldn't even know. So I'll bet a lot of people have shared bathrooms with trans people already, without even knowing it.

And anyone who's ever been in a lady's room can tell you, it's not that easy to spy on someone in a stall. You'd either have to lay on the floor, or if you wanted to peek over the stall, you'd have to stand on top of the toilet. And even then you'd have to be pretty tall. It'd be pretty easy to get caught. Otherwise, all you're gonna see is a bunch of closed stalls and a bunch of women washing up and fixing their hair and make-up.

I'm starting to wonder what kind of bathrooms these people have been visiting.

 

[Surtur]

There are a lot of tranny people out there who pass pretty well -- I mean, unless they tell you they're tranny, you wouldn't even know. So I'll bet a lot of people have shared bathrooms with tranny people already, without even knowing it.

And anyone who's ever been in a lady's room can tell you, it's not that easy to spy on someone in a stall. You'd either have to lay on the floor, or if you wanted to peek over the stall, you'd have to stand on top of the toilet. And even then you'd have to be pretty tall. It'd be pretty easy to get caught. Otherwise, all you're gonna see is a bunch of closed stalls and a bunch of women washing up and fixing their hair and make-up.

I'm starting to wonder what kind of bathrooms these people have been visiting.

Its about starting a moral panic, great for getting people to vote along certain lines.

 

[AnOminous]

One solution is just take off those male/female things on the doors and just indicate whether the bathroom has urinals or diaper changing stations or other amenities and let people go wherever they want.

 

[KingGeedorah]

One solution is just take off those male/female things on the doors and just indicate whether the bathroom has urinals or diaper changing stations or other amenities and let people go wherever they want.

Seriously. Like hasn't everybody walked in on someone using the toilet by accident once in their life(friend,family,stranger, sexual partner). Most of the time, people will be embarrassed and leave. Obviously I'm talking about smaller bathrooms, but even in larger commercial retailer bathrooms, I feel like taking a piss in public is awkward enough. I'm not going to stare at another person and wonder about their gender while in the act.

 

[Hanamura]

One solution is just take off those male/female things on the doors and just indicate whether the bathroom has urinals or diaper changing stations or other amenities and let people go wherever they want.

This.
I see plenty of guys who have to go into a female restroom just to access the baby changing station because they don't have one in the guy's side.

 

[Puppet Pal Clem]

I question how much it is the responsibility of the healthy population to play along with mental illness or delusion.
There is a reasonable argument that, in the absence of some sort of effective therapy or medication, that allowing an individual to "transition" or live their life pretending to be the opposite sex may be healthier for them, but I think allowing anybody to enter any bathroom may set a bad precedent as far as how society deals with mental illness.
It is indeed the socially polite thing, to play along with, or make allowances for individuals with handicaps, but there are of course limits to how much we allow an unhealthy individual to disrupt societal infrastructure before they are removed or punished.

The objective of separate bathrooms here is the sexual privacy and safety of the female population, who have less of a capacity to physically defend themselves from sexual assault.
This doesn't mean a bathroom is a magical shield but it is an instant identifier of a ill-intent if a male intrudes upon that privacy.
I understand that female-to-male transgender person does not intend to do any harm, and may have no sexual capacity to, but there is no easily visible distinction between a transgender person who may be a sexual threat or not.
This identification of an intrusion is voided by presence of a transgender individual.

I would propose that all transgender individuals(ftm and mtf) be asked to use the Men's restroom.
Obviously, it's a fucking bathroom, and it's not like there are policemen patrolling them, so if you're passing you're going to get away with it, but if your presence is enough to make other individuals feel unsafe, that you simply defer to the Men's, and that if you refuse, there be some form of punishment.

I don't think there should be any real intent to normalize transexuality as an identity.
We've already seen tremendous growth in a population that at least identifies as trans over the past 30 years, and I wonder how much of that is fashion or fetishism or the enabling of mental unfitness.
The normalization of transexuality is often compared to the normalization of homosexuality but I see a dramatic distinction between both the satisfaction of their desires and the burden they place upon society.
Where a homosexual individual can satisfy the desire of having sex with a member of the same sex, and transgender individual can never truly be the opposite sex, as simply as the fact that you cannot change a Y chromosome to an X.
Beyond this, where homosexual behavior can be actualized and satisfied on an internal level, transexuality is oriented around the external validation of their sexual identity.
A homosexual man only has to come to terms with himself and act upon this desire, but a transgender individual seeks to be seen by others as their preferred sex.
Where homosexual behavior is localized to the privacy of their bedroom or social circles, transexuality invades upon the sexual privacy and safety of mentally healthy individuals in public.

People of course have the righteous freedom to dress and act as they like within the boundaries of the law, but this doesn't mean they are free from judgement for their behavior, nor that they can deny their own physical biology.

It is not mentally healthy if you cannot emotionally come to terms with the reality you will never be the opposite sex, and it is not necessarily society's responsibility to cater to that delusion.
This is a burden that transgender people should take upon themselves, and simply go in the sexually accurate bathroom.
I have to stress again, if using the bathroom of your biological sex is so intensely traumatic or upsetting, you must understand you are not mentally fit.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I question how much it is the responsibility of the healthy population to play along with mental illness or delusion.
There is a reasonable argument that, in the absence of some sort of effective therapy or medication, that allowing an individual to "transition" or live their life pretending to be the opposite sex may be healthier for them, but I think allowing anybody to enter any bathroom may set a bad precedent as far as how society deals with mental illness.
It is indeed the socially polite thing, to play along with, or make allowances for individuals with handicaps, but there are of course limits to how much we allow an unhealthy individual to disrupt societal infrastructure before they are removed or punished.

The objective of separate bathrooms here is the sexual privacy and safety of the female population, who have less of a capacity to physically defend themselves from sexual assault.
This doesn't mean a bathroom is a magical shield but it is an instant identifier of a ill-intent if a male intrudes upon that privacy.
I understand that female-to-male transgender person does not intend to do any harm, and may have no sexual capacity to, but there is no easily visible distinction between a transgender person who may be a sexual threat or not.
This identification of an intrusion is voided by presence of a transgender individual.

I would propose that all transgender individuals(ftm and mtf) be asked to use the Men's restroom.
Obviously, it's a fucking bathroom, and it's not like there are policemen patrolling them, so if you're passing you're going to get away with it, but if your presence is enough to make other individuals feel unsafe, that you simply defer to the Men's, and that if you refuse, there be some form of punishment.

I don't think there should be any real intent to normalize transexuality as an identity.
We've already seen tremendous growth in a population that at least identifies as tranny over the past 30 years, and I wonder how much of that is fashion or fetishism or the enabling of mental unfitness.
The normalization of transexuality is often compared to the normalization of homosexuality but I see a dramatic distinction between both the satisfaction of their desires and the burden they place upon society.
Where a homosexual individual can satisfy the desire of having sex with a member of the same sex, and transgender individual can never truly be the opposite sex, as simply as the fact that you cannot change a Y chromosome to an X.
Beyond this, where homosexual behavior can be actualized and satisfied on an internal level, transexuality is oriented around the external validation of their sexual identity.
A homosexual man only has to come to terms with himself and act upon this desire, but a transgender individual seeks to be seen by others as their preferred sex.
Where homosexual behavior is localized to the privacy of their bedroom or social circles, transexuality invades upon the sexual privacy and safety of mentally healthy individuals in public.

People of course have the righteous freedom to dress and act as they like within the boundaries of the law, but this doesn't mean they are free from judgement for their behavior, nor that they can deny their own physical biology.

It is not mentally healthy if you cannot emotionally come to terms with the reality you will never be the opposite sex, and it is not necessarily society's responsibility to cater to that delusion.
This is a burden that transgender people should take upon themselves, and simply go in the sexually accurate bathroom.
I have to stress again, if using the bathroom of your biological sex is so intensely traumatic or upsetting, you must understand you are not mentally fit.

I don't think transsexualism is a legitimate condition but I think this is such a minor issue that nobody should care. Plus there is no way to enforce this bill anyways

 

[Mesh Gear Fox]

Okay, but an ER doctor isn't going to go looking into a patient's wallet unless they know that there's information in there that they need, right?

The only time it would be really relevant is if there was some major genital/lower abdominal injury.