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Not funny enough to be funny, not serious enough to be serious, not scary en- well, you get the picture.
Just average, so it is an ok waste of time.
Just average, so it is an ok waste of time.
The Tomorrow War (2021) - "Starship Troopers" for zoomers
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- 20 de Ene, 2021
They take people who aren't having any more kids and won't live too long anyway in the present. Not taking young people.
Best not to really think about it. It doesn't really make sense for the present to send soldiers to the future. As that is no longer the presents timeline.
The presents priorities should be preparing for the white spikes. Not saving a now different timelines humanity. Although I guess it may be doing most and this just didn't feature in the film.
I (Don't) Have A Gun
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- 13 de Mayo, 2021
Time travel as a side elements to the story tend to always ruin it because it's often (as with Tomorrow War) just used as some flimsy excuse or justification for the events of the story, but without proper consideration it often brings up far more questions and inconsistencies in the story. Tomorrow War has plenty you can bring up, although maybe it's more a product of how over-used time-travel has become in entertainment that most people already have a decent pool of previous time-travel stories to reference and so logical issues become easier to identify. Because if you really think about it there's no reason at all to send people into the future to fight a war because we're clearly dealing with parallel timelines.
This movie had an interesting idea for a premise, and some interesting ideas for events and set pieces, but didn't really care about how the events went from one action scene to the next.
But it wasn't a bad movie, it had explosions and shooting, and if you ignore how cheap they were some feel good parts.
If you permit me some backseat writing, you could have gotten more or less the same events (minus the future daughter sub-plot) if instead of time travel if was a bunch of aliens showing up, saying "We're the only thing standing between you and some other evil aliens, but we're losing and need you to give us soldiers", so you still get the same characters being sent into a desperate struggle to fight the same enemies. Actually thinking about it, with FTL and time dilation you could still get the older daughter abandonment plot you just don't get the father-do-over ending.
But again, I think the writers were more enamoured by the concept of "a tomorrow war" and so needed time-travel.
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- 17 de Mayo, 2019
There were a couple neat scenes, and I personally really liked the monsters. The reveal of the whitespikes was suitably slow and tense, and they didn’t blow their load by showing you the monsters until you had reason to fear them.
I think that the shot where his daughter died was pretty boss, as she’s falling and you see the mountain of monsters crawling out of the ocean you really were wowed by the effects. And when he came home, just dazed from all he saw, and you see him just sitting in his daughters room at three thirty in the morning you can just tell he’s thinking “I just saw this girl die in a horrible way, and I couldn’t save her.”
Besides those few things, even my dad was like “am I supposed to believe a five foot nothing black 20 year old chick is the commander of anyone?”
Overall, it’s alright. Nothing special. The monsters were the best part, and I will probably forget about it in a bit.
I think that the shot where his daughter died was pretty boss, as she’s falling and you see the mountain of monsters crawling out of the ocean you really were wowed by the effects. And when he came home, just dazed from all he saw, and you see him just sitting in his daughters room at three thirty in the morning you can just tell he’s thinking “I just saw this girl die in a horrible way, and I couldn’t save her.”
Besides those few things, even my dad was like “am I supposed to believe a five foot nothing black 20 year old chick is the commander of anyone?”
Overall, it’s alright. Nothing special. The monsters were the best part, and I will probably forget about it in a bit.
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- 21 de Dic, 2019
The sheer fucking hypocrisy.
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- 12 de Mar, 2021
"Starship Troopers for dummies." When that movie came out retards were screaming that it was fascist propaganda. Which is fucking hilarious since the movie was the opposite of that.
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- 22 de Ene, 2018
Verhoeven tried really hard to make a parody out of fascism but in the process, the whole thing is a love letter to it.
That movie is pure fash kino.
Uranus Pink
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- 6 de Mar, 2019
Yet the movie followed the book in that the military was completely made up of volunteers and not a single draftee or conscript in it.
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- 25 de Mayo, 2018
Came onto this thread to say the very same thing. Critics absolutely panned Starship Troopers when it first came out, lol.
Anyway, The Tomorrow War was a decent enough movie to check out once. There was enough fun stuff in there to keep me entertained, and I thought that the monsters looked surprisingly cool. My biggest complaint about the movie is that it would have benefited with an R rating.
And maybe I'm making this comparison because the movie is still fresh in my head, but The Tomorrow War shares a lot of similarities with Army of the Dead, in my opinion. I may agree with the sentiment that The Tomorrow War is a "less smart" and "less awesome" version of Starship Troopers ... But The Tomorrow War is definitely a "more smart" and "more awesome" version of Army of the Dead, lol. The Tomorrow War utilizes its ideas a whole lot more than Army of the Dead did-- even the father-daughter dynamics were done a lot better in The Tomorrow War.
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- 3 de Oct, 2018
I just got the impression that the movie was trying to deliver a theme of facing major problems now when they are manageable rather than in the future when they are hopeless. The conversations between the father and daughter as well as the future generation's end goal being to prepare the present for the white spikes seemed to me like they were meant to invoke that theme. I could be reading too much into the glacier melting but I do think the theme of not kicking the can down the road was at the very least intentional.
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- 14 de Sep, 2019
I just finished it.
The Bad:
The characters are stupid and do stupid things... Because reasons? The daughter's sacrifice was essentially pointless. A stick of C4 (lol) was more crucial in the end than a poison that destroyed the creatures.
The gunplay wasn't quite Walking Dead levels of bad, but was still terrible. Like has already been mentioned, characters running into combat with ARs that were obviously inferior tools against the creatures was obviously dumb. In the amount of time mankind has had, with the entire globe behind the effort, surely we could have developed a superior small arm.
The end sequence was silly. The government's response to a suspected starting point of the monsters was dumb. A reliable source of information told the Secretary of Defense, who just responded with a shrug. There's just no way they can budget a team of SEALs to go in and check it out. They're needed for... stuff?
The main characters then nearly cause the destruction of the planet anyway by the skin of their teeth. I can appreciate there was no evil white government official trying to turn them into their own weapons, but the idea that Big Bad Russia wouldn't have immediately nuked the shit out of it if they knew where it was is dumb. I'm also not quite certain why there was an equal global effort to search Russia for the creatures either.
I wasn't altogether sold on humanity developing time travel while facing the apocalypse, but I'm also dealing with a film with bioweapons from space, so I can believe it with how it presents the universe.
The one really bad thing I disliked: a species capable of fucking themselves into being the dominant species in three years makes nary a single baby the entire film.
The Good:
The movie obviously had a diverse cast, but unlike other users here, I don't think it was a negative. Race wasn't mentioned and the black characters in the movie were either extremely smart or heroic in some way. There was character development, if admittedly very minor, and I honestly prefer Jamal to look up to "kinda funny black science man" with the courage redemption arc than a mumble rapper with a rap sheet.
There is no SJW pandering at all: to the point that literally every major black character dies save for one. More important than race is how the film showed that ordinary, frightened people were capable of sacrificing themselves to save others.
I did not think the movie had a "Bad Dad" plotline, but one that emphasized the importance of sticking together as a family and understanding that, though times might be hard, that isn't an excuse to alienate those we love. Divorce and single parenthood are too easily shown in a good light by Hollywood and I'm glad this film showed that there is a price in trauma to be paid by divorce.
I honestly really dug the creatures. The "shooting spikes" thing seemed dumb and unnecessary, but I thought the idea of an alien bioweapon escaping into our world to be a cool premise.
I thought the idea of "throwing shit against the wall" was a decent plot point, if not altogether perfectly well done. The idea that you're running out of people to send by the start of the movie is an interesting one. I didn't altogether buy it, but I would be interested in a prequel film that focuses on the initial attack and the breakdown of society.
What I liked the most is that the "future" was doomed and there was no final MacGuffin that was pulled to save it. The film was willing to have a "bad ending" without turning around and ruining it.
Conclusion:
The Tomorrow War is a decent movie that, though I think drags at the end, is a decent movie with good messages. Lazy writing and "this happens because the plot says it does" ruins what could have otherwise been a truly great film.
I would be very interested in seeing a film focused on the initial war. A dark, gritty film that focuses on the end of the world from a singular perspective would be interesting to see. I like the creature concept the film provided and I wouldn't be opposed to seeing them again.
Maybe I'm just being generous after having watched A Quiet Place Two, which was an unapologetic brick shithouse on fire. Fuck that movie.
The Bad:
The characters are stupid and do stupid things... Because reasons? The daughter's sacrifice was essentially pointless. A stick of C4 (lol) was more crucial in the end than a poison that destroyed the creatures.
The gunplay wasn't quite Walking Dead levels of bad, but was still terrible. Like has already been mentioned, characters running into combat with ARs that were obviously inferior tools against the creatures was obviously dumb. In the amount of time mankind has had, with the entire globe behind the effort, surely we could have developed a superior small arm.
The end sequence was silly. The government's response to a suspected starting point of the monsters was dumb. A reliable source of information told the Secretary of Defense, who just responded with a shrug. There's just no way they can budget a team of SEALs to go in and check it out. They're needed for... stuff?
The main characters then nearly cause the destruction of the planet anyway by the skin of their teeth. I can appreciate there was no evil white government official trying to turn them into their own weapons, but the idea that Big Bad Russia wouldn't have immediately nuked the shit out of it if they knew where it was is dumb. I'm also not quite certain why there was an equal global effort to search Russia for the creatures either.
I wasn't altogether sold on humanity developing time travel while facing the apocalypse, but I'm also dealing with a film with bioweapons from space, so I can believe it with how it presents the universe.
The one really bad thing I disliked: a species capable of fucking themselves into being the dominant species in three years makes nary a single baby the entire film.
The Good:
The movie obviously had a diverse cast, but unlike other users here, I don't think it was a negative. Race wasn't mentioned and the black characters in the movie were either extremely smart or heroic in some way. There was character development, if admittedly very minor, and I honestly prefer Jamal to look up to "kinda funny black science man" with the courage redemption arc than a mumble rapper with a rap sheet.
There is no SJW pandering at all: to the point that literally every major black character dies save for one. More important than race is how the film showed that ordinary, frightened people were capable of sacrificing themselves to save others.
I did not think the movie had a "Bad Dad" plotline, but one that emphasized the importance of sticking together as a family and understanding that, though times might be hard, that isn't an excuse to alienate those we love. Divorce and single parenthood are too easily shown in a good light by Hollywood and I'm glad this film showed that there is a price in trauma to be paid by divorce.
I honestly really dug the creatures. The "shooting spikes" thing seemed dumb and unnecessary, but I thought the idea of an alien bioweapon escaping into our world to be a cool premise.
I thought the idea of "throwing shit against the wall" was a decent plot point, if not altogether perfectly well done. The idea that you're running out of people to send by the start of the movie is an interesting one. I didn't altogether buy it, but I would be interested in a prequel film that focuses on the initial attack and the breakdown of society.
What I liked the most is that the "future" was doomed and there was no final MacGuffin that was pulled to save it. The film was willing to have a "bad ending" without turning around and ruining it.
Conclusion:
The Tomorrow War is a decent movie that, though I think drags at the end, is a decent movie with good messages. Lazy writing and "this happens because the plot says it does" ruins what could have otherwise been a truly great film.
I would be very interested in seeing a film focused on the initial war. A dark, gritty film that focuses on the end of the world from a singular perspective would be interesting to see. I like the creature concept the film provided and I wouldn't be opposed to seeing them again.
Maybe I'm just being generous after having watched A Quiet Place Two, which was an unapologetic brick shithouse on fire. Fuck that movie.
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- 18 de Jun, 2019
I really liked this movie, yes it's formulaic but it's downright refreshing to have a straight forward action, adventure movie today without any real Woke preachiness.
I wasn't even aware JK Simmons was in the movie, so that was a special plus.
I wasn't even aware JK Simmons was in the movie, so that was a special plus.
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- 21 de Dic, 2019
There's a diverse commander woman talking about the White Spikes and how all they care about is the survival of their own race. The sheer fucking of hypocrisy of a black Wokie to accuse others of only caring about their own race.
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- 11 de Ene, 2017
The whole thing is a not very subtle climate-change analogy.