The Terminator Thread - You are Terminated!

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I don't know what this is referencing.
Does TSCC touch on this at some point?

I was talking about T3.
I was making light of the idea that the core concept of "guy goes back in time something something" came to the point of legal blows
and then that maybe some of the core ideas of the story are good for a movie but not a Cinematic Universe
 

Pretty bold statements (alongside with this dude being a sperg)

I mean, time travel as a whole doesnt make sense (and the original made it clear it wasnt the point of the story with Kyle pretty much throwing the "I have no idea how it works, I didnt build the damn thing.") so the best you can do is stick with a version of it and this video argues that Terminator stuck with the "pre destination" version where time travel is just a means to an end and any attempts at changing things were also suppose to happen. He complains T2 "retcons" this into saying that the future CAN be changed afterall but that eventually a Skynet type AI would rise either way because Cyberdyne wouldnt just stop developing AI and would just replace Miles (so at most what they did only bought humanity a couple of decades at most). So, logically, T2 shouldnt be a happy end, in either version you go with, because Skynet or a Skynet like will rise sooner or later (ala Dark Fate, sure, Skynet was wiped from existence but Legion just took its place).

I think what he is falling to grasp is that he is retroactively adding too much of our current understand of tech into T2 and just not seeing the movie for what it is.

He just has this vibe of "I take all this shit far too seriously" and his community posts do seem to reflect that. Its not like this is shared as a "I did have this thought and its kind of crazy, what you think?" its more like a "Oh yeah, T2 is actually awful all along guys! Didnt you know it?!"




Also its unfortunate that they didnt show off just how the T-1000 was in a bad shape during the final battle. There are a couple of deleted scenes that show that all the damage was starting to catch up to it, with the implication that getting quickly frozen and then re-heated back has caused some thermal shock damage to the nanabots and it was starting to malfunction (right down to his shapeshifting ability starting to fail). Which is why it doesnt just kills Sarah and takes her form and instead tries to torture her into calling for John, it simply wasnt entire sure its functions were that reliable anymore.

It eventually did try to take Sarah's form but its feet were completely off and it gave itself away.

The T-1000 could still keep going but it was neat to see this whole thing was starting to catch up even on an advanced model like it.

There is also the theory that the T-800 wasnt entirely sure just how much the nanobots could handle the freezing process so thats why it felt it could shatter it (since many do say it would have been best to lift the frozen T-1000 and just throw it into a vats of molten steel). The T-1000 was a prototype model, therefore not much information would be available for the mass produced models like the T-800, all it could know is that it uses nanobots, it can nearly anything it can do already and nearly no conventional weaponry works beyond only temporarly stalling it

So its plenty possible the T-800 legit believed that the T-1000 was already done for after being frozen and that, even if it wasnt, quickly re-heating it would destroy it or leave it far too damaged to be dangerous (like a platinium mass barely able to bring itself together, much less be able to attack).

We're not going to make it, are we?

Normies wont, at least.

Good
 
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I was making light of the idea that the core concept of "guy goes back in time something something" came to the point of legal blows
James Cameron is an asshole, but I hate Harlan Ellison much, much more. Ellison's problems in life were all of his own doing. If he tried schmoozing and networking with people instead of suing them, he would have been much more successful in life. He would have been a household name like Stephen King instead of only being known to geeks of a certain age.
 
T 1: 7.5/10
T 2: 10/10 I will die on the hill that this is one of the rare "perfect movies" that exist out there.
T 3: 7/10
Salvation: 8/10
The one with Christian Bale was pretty fucking good, but everything after that movie kind of feels blurred together like a goulash of half baked ideas and convoluted plots.
Honorable mention to Robert Patrick for turning down the role of the T-1000 again for a ridiculous amount of money because he didn't want to ruin the legacy of the character.
 
James Cameron is an asshole, but I hate Harlan Ellison much, much more. Ellison's problems in life were all of his own doing. If he tried schmoozing and networking with people instead of suing them, he would have been much more successful in life. He would have been a household name like Stephen King instead of only being known to geeks of a certain age.
one of my great feathers I'll keep in my nerd hat until my dying day is the time I pissed off Harlan Ellison to his face
 
I think the only way to get along with that man was to be a female that was willing to kiss his ass constantly.
I went in premeditated even if I didn't know exactly who I was targeting

once up on a time at Convention it was me and my droogs, older one who was more knowledgeable about things like visually id-ing authors is over in Adjacent Room, we're in Dealer's Room
couple of them hooting and hollering over there, me and others over here
they come back towards me and are all "XYZpdq, some old guy was a jerk at us because we were loud in the dealer's room, go be a loud asshole at him"
I fire up the Rocky Horror engines and start in that way WHAT THE FUCK SOME OLD FUCKING ASSHOLE RETARD HAS A DAMN PROBLEM WITH MY FRIENDS BEING LOUD IF THE FUCKING DEALERS ROOM SHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH
I see old guy fleeing in a huff as I approach
a few minutes later Older One catches up with us and asks "what happened, I just saw Harlan Ellison stomping off into the other room all pissed off?"
 
T:SCC was so serious it did the "Moody serious cover of a pop song" 10 years before it was a thing with a fucking cover of "Donald Where's your troosers"
Oh, that fucking song. Ruined what would otherwise be a really good and powerful scene. When they did the sequence with the Shirley Manson cover of Delilah or whatever the song is titled, that worked. That was great. But trying to pull off the same with Donald, Where's Your Trousers was a massive over-reach. It was so, so dumb. If they wanted something Scottish there are a number of good and soulful Scottish songs. That ain't one of them.
 
Its a comedy song about a man's dick flying around in a skirt. It was hilariously out of place and and ruined a good scene. The shot of Sarah being loaded into a police car to "Let the wind blow high, Let the wind blow low, through the streets in my kilt, I'll go...." What were they thinking?!
 
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