The Suicide Squad - unnecessary white male director gets second chance

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If Task Force X withdrew from Corto Maltese as ordered or Waller hadn't been stopped from detonating their bombs, the Justice League would have taken care of Starro.

in the comics that's reasonable to assume. in movies i find it a bit harder. with the MCU they've pretty heavily intwined everything, which has its own negative setback, difficult to have any big movie climax without asking the question of "why aren't the avengers here to help?"

since the DC movies have been fumbling all over themselves, is the Justice League here? the actors playing Batman and Superman aren't coming back..so...do those versions of the characters still exist...or....

If Waller had some line of "Let Superman handle it just get out" that would've been fine, but she legit just says "Nah it'll fuck up their government, that's a win for me."

She makes no mention of it being stopped.

so for comics, yeah it's a reasonable assumption Superman would stop it, but for the movies where they're still struggling to get an actual working universe set up, I find it a bit weirder. I mean people in this very thread questioned if the LAST suicide squad movie even fucking happened. so I don't think I'm being too autistic here.
 
in the comics that's reasonable to assume. in movies i find it a bit harder. with the MCU they've pretty heavily intwined everything, which has its own negative setback, difficult to have any big movie climax without asking the question of "why aren't the avengers here to help?"

since the DC movies have been fumbling all over themselves, is the Justice League here? the actors playing Batman and Superman aren't coming back..so...do those versions of the characters still exist...or....

If Waller had some line of "Let Superman handle it just get out" that would've been fine, but she legit just says "Nah it'll fuck up their government, that's a win for me."

She makes no mention of it being stopped.

so for comics, yeah it's a reasonable assumption Superman would stop it, but for the movies where they're still struggling to get an actual working universe set up, I find it a bit weirder. I mean people in this very thread questioned if the LAST suicide squad movie even fucking happened. so I don't think I'm being too autistic here.
The closest thing to a Superman "cameo" would be having the cannon sound of him flying in as a CGI render of him is made punching Starro.

It seems this movie decided to have it both ways with acknowledging the last Squad movie in subtle ways and being a "reboot." The brief interactions from Quinn, Flag, and Boomerang at the start implies their familiarity with other from the 2016 installment while Flag's relationship with June Moone is never brought up.

What follows next is my autistic theory that attempts to tie this whole movie universe together since it has been very loose with itself after the departure of Zack Snyder (love him or hate him, he at least had an idea of how it would play out).

The Justice League didn't get involved because of this game of chicken between Batman and Amanda Waller. A mid-credit scene in the 2016 Suicide Squad showed Amanda gave Bruce information on several metahumans, including some members of the League, in exchange for Bruce to protect her from any government pressure due to what she has Task Force X do. Amanda tries to imitate Bruce by revealing she knows he is Batman. Bruce tells her to disband her squad or the League will do it for her (this scene was meant to plant the scenes for Justice League vs. Suicide Squad movie but that will likely not be happening). Perhaps Bruce was not only protecting the identity of his teammates but also playing the long game with Amanda.
 
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MK flopped, only grossed $84 million on a $55 budget, however, within America seems to have the highest opening day streaming numbers for any movie so far this year, that is on all streaming platforms not just HBO Max, also The Suicide Squad isn't too far behind that number.

In terms of hits this year not from China, F9 is the biggest one with a gross over $662M, Godzilla vs Kong is next with $467 million, as of now there were the last two big western releases in China, and in the case of GvK it did do badly in American with only a gross of $80 million.

Black Widow will break even with Disney+ rental money
A Quiet Place 2 is a hit, $61 million budget nearly $300million box office
Cruella has made $221million on a budget of $100million, and that is without Disney+ money
The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It $40 million budget vs $200million box office
Peter Rabbit 2: The Runaway $45 million vs $150 million box office

The box office did seem to have been recovering, however, the increases of the covid delta variant put a stop to that, as seen with the huge drop between Black Widows first and the second weekend, along with no movie after getting past $40 million openings, the lack of a Chinese market is also for sure hurting many movies such as Space Jam 2 and Black Widow which likely would become profitable with that market.

The real question is how much importance is WB putting on the box office right now compared to HBO Max. Even if Suicide Squad has legs it likely won't do much better than Cruella or the Conjuring, which normally would be pretty bad with its budget, however, let's say it gets a $200million box office, that would more than cover the marketing and some of the cost of making the movie, thus making it a cheaper investment to have on HBO Max, rather then it if was on just HBO Max and not the cinema.

After Wonder Woman 84 did well for HBO (which was lower than both MK, and TSS, also likely TSS will do better in cinemas), WB said they will be making a number of exclusive HBO Max DC movies, so HBO Max numbers have to got to have some importance just a question of how much.
I have no idea how any of this work.

That last post I made was simply referring to WB movies this year. Of course the movies you listed were ones with smaller budget would make bank. I wouldn't be surprised if a movie like Cruella actually made money. It's the more expensive movies that should be focused on.

You say WW84 did well for HBO? Did they break even? Because it seems like if they didn't they still were going to greenlight a sequel regardless.

Hell, I don't even know if Tenet broke even or not anymore. It flopped in December, and then it was released in India, then in New York and California when they opened up in 2021, and then on HBO Max and then on DVD. I don't know how much extra money that movie made in the end.

Snyder's Justice League is expected to receive $266 million just by streaming. Is that just by subscriptions or does money somehow come in when a HBO Max subscriber clicks on the movie and plays it?

So, Fast 9 cost 200 million. Made 171 million in North America, and 491 million overseas. Plus a movie has to make 3 times its budget back to be profitable. Best case scenario with Fast 9 is that they made a little profit and didn't lose their ass. What the studios are doing now is dumping the tent pole movies on streaming and theatrical at the same time to get more people on their streaming service and at least break even on how much they borrowed to finance it.

Going forwards, we're most likely going to see a lot more lower to mid-budget movies for the conceivable future. The time of the 200 million dollar popcorn film is done.
The Fast saga (or whatever the hell it's called now) used to make over a billion dollars in total box office. Now it's only making half that, especially because of the pandemic and the white monkey named John Cena. Things clearly haven't recovered.

It also makes me wonder about the fate of No Time to Die.

I would love it if we just look at box office successes in Northern America and how it does here. Rather how it does in China.
Speaking of China, a fucking comedy in China is near $1 billion in revenue this year. Literally two "literally what" Chinese comedies are the highest grossing films this year.

China probably going to continue raping the box office with their own films for the next few years.
 
I have no idea how any of this work.

That last post I made was simply referring to WB movies this year. Of course the movies you listed were ones with smaller budget would make bank. I wouldn't be surprised if a movie like Cruella actually made money. It's the more expensive movies that should be focused on.

You say WW84 did well for HBO? Did they break even? Because it seems like if they didn't they still were going to greenlight a sequel regardless.

Hell, I don't even know if Tenet broke even or not anymore. It flopped in December, and then it was released in India, then in New York and California when they opened up in 2021, and then on HBO Max and then on DVD. I don't know how much extra money that movie made in the end.

Snyder's Justice League is expected to receive $266 million just by streaming. Is that just by subscriptions or does money somehow come in when a HBO Max subscriber clicks on the movie and plays it?


The Fast saga (or whatever the hell it's called now) used to make over a billion dollars in total box office. Now it's only making half that, especially because of the pandemic and the white monkey named John Cena. Things clearly haven't recovered.

It also makes me wonder about the fate of No Time to Die.


Speaking of China, a fucking comedy in China is near $1 billion in revenue this year. Literally two "literally what" Chinese comedies are the highest grossing films this year.

China probably going to continue raping the box office with their own films for the next few years.
So Hollywood should just stop kissing their assat this point
 
The movie was pretty good. My favorite was Polka Dot Man because he was just so bizarre. I didn’t dare for John Cena and found his character very unpleasant, so don’t give a shit about the series that’s coming out.

I wonder how Dune will do at the box office. There seems to be a lot of hype around it but will it also fall victim to the coof?
 
The movie was pretty good. My favorite was Polka Dot Man because he was just so bizarre. I didn’t dare for John Cena and found his character very unpleasant, so don’t give a shit about the series that’s coming out.

I wonder how Dune will do at the box office. There seems to be a lot of hype around it but will it also fall victim to the coof?
I say Dune is doomed from the start. A $200 million niche film made by Villenuene, who also made another $200 million dollar niche film that bombed, now has to release this movie in the same way as Black Widow and Suicide Squad 2 which we know fucks with opening box office numbers and second week drop-off. Movies cannot have legs now due to streaming service undercutting theatrical releases and I don't know why it's done this way other than to kill movie theaters which are dying a natural death anyways. Streaming movies don't have to be released on opening day; they can be released 3 to 6 months later to boost quarter earning reports.
 
I say Dune is doomed from the start. A $200 million niche film made by Villenuene, who also made another $200 million dollar niche film that bombed, now has to release this movie in the same way as Black Widow and Suicide Squad 2 which we know fucks with opening box office numbers and second week drop-off. Movies cannot have legs now due to streaming service undercutting theatrical releases and I don't know why it's done this way other than to kill movie theaters which are dying a natural death anyways. Streaming movies don't have to be released on opening day; they can be released 3 to 6 months later to boost quarter earning reports.
It seems that Warner at least is backing away from simultaneously releasing theatrical movies on streaming



I assume they're not getting the subscription numbers they were hoping for
 
It seems that Warner at least is backing away from simultaneously releasing theatrical movies on streaming



I assume they're not getting the subscription numbers they were hoping for
Well makes no sense to do so once the box office is back to normal (however when that is a big if right now), and in 2022 they will have more original programming for HBO Max compared to in 2021, so it won't need the day and day movies as much as they did in 2021.

But 45 days is a smaller window, in fact, it was common to be 90 days. Not just WB changing this but most of the big studios now.
 
If Waller had some line of "Let Superman handle it just get out" that would've been fine, but she legit just says "Nah it'll fuck up their government, that's a win for me."

We know from other references that Superman exists in this universe. I think it's reasonably supported that this movie exists in the same universe as the former movie so we have seen Batman is active in this universe. And frankly, Harley Quinn implies the Joker and Joker implies Batman. All in all, it feels like unless there is some clear reason NOT to suppose the JL heroes exist in this movie, that they do. Frankly, I think it's pretty plausible for Waller to just want to destroy evidence of America's involvement, let Corto Maltease's new regime pay the price for going against America and just get out of there. I mean, keep in mind that Waller's primary goal here is to cover up America's involvement. Having a bunch of American agents actively fighting there is going against that and once Starro is on the loose you can be sure that the eyes of other players are turning towards what is happening. And Batman would certainly recognize Waller was involved if he saw a bunch of Task Force X candidates busy half-way around the world working as a team. Wouldn't take long to put 2+2 together. Others, too. So no, I think having the team melt back into the shadows and pull out before Superman or cameras do show up is exactly what Waller would do.

What I found interesting about the twist, and now that we're all talking about it openly I'm going to share, is that the whole thing seemed a direct parallel to Fauci's gain of function research with Covid-19. It's the same thing - US laws prevent doing the research they want on US soil, so they simply find a regime with fewer human rights laws and pay it money to do the research on their behalf, sending scientific expertise as needed (the Thinker didn't sound very South American to me!). And then the research escapes and the US intelligence agencies first goal is to deny everything and pretend it could never have escaped from a lab it's an enemy regime doing secret experiments.

The Suicide Squad is about Fauci and the NIH gain of function research. Clear as a bell, imo.
 
I just saw this movie and I went into it with low expectations as I didn't like many of the DCEU films and hated the 2016 Suicide Squad. I only watched a trailer and I was amazed with how this movie turned out since it felt like Gunn actually understood the appeal of the comics better than most of the other DCEU directors. He made sure the movie didn't take itself too seriously and when it did, it actually was good.

One thing that is a definite improvement over the first one is that Squad actually does feel like villains that were forced into a covert task squad since you see them all actually do scummy things that make you see why they're villains. Compared to 2016 where the cast felt more like outcasts than an actually team of villains. Hell the cast has better chemistry compared to 2016 since there are many moments where they bond together and it's not just some cliche bar scene.

I also really loved all the special effects of the movie since they were pretty good, and I liked the amount of gore and blood that was in this movie. Call me edgy but it just felt right to see it.

I'd recommend it but it's a shame it's not doing so well since it is actually pretty good. Personally I liked it more than a good portion of the good MCU movies since this actually felt like a movie with a clear vision.
 
The news does not bode well for cape flicks in general, as people have reported The Suicide Squad earned like $100 million less than it's badly reviewed predecessor - which has to hurt, considering that whatever you or I here think of it, The Suicide Squad has been well-received by critics and fans alike, which is not something you see happen much anymore.

However, it looks more and more like the DC Cinematic Universe is a dead franchise walking. The making of the new Batman has been a ridiculous soap opera behind the scenes and the rumors are going around that Robbie is getting the axe as Harley Quinn, the people running the show at Warner Brothers have decided to hire JJ Abrams to "save" it by race-swapping Superman and a bunch of other characters on account of his being one of the biggest hackfrauds in Hollywood. Abrams is not only a dime-store Spielberg but more importantly, he's a killer of franchises.

There's an article in the Grauniad that asks this very question, Is The Suicide Squad the beginning of the end for the superhero movie?

Beginning with X-Men in 2000 and Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man in 2002, the superhero movie has over the last couple of decades grown to become Hollywood’s obsession. In recent years, as mid-budget movies disappeared and original blockbusters became ever rarer, studios have begun to bet the house on their extended comic book universes. All the while, commentators and some major film-makers (including, most famously, Martin Scorsese) have bemoaned the cultural dominance of superhero franchises at the expense of most everything else. As Marvel plans its next phases into 2026 and beyond, it could almost seem as though the superhero’s on-screen golden age will never end. As James Gunn himself admits, however, no genre remains popular forever.

The musical, the epic, the romcom – all have enjoyed their day in the sun as reliable box-office draws. Once upon a time, the western ruled. For years, western movies and TV shows were churned out with such regularity it might have seemed like the stream of cowboy content would never dry up. As the fanbase grew older, the genre simply evolved. The spaghetti western replaced the traditional “white hat” with the antihero and then, beginning with films like Sam Peckinpah’s bloodbath oater The Wild Bunch, the western entered its revisionist phase, a period of reflection which birthed some of the finest ever examples of the cowboy picture. Then the genre exhausted itself and petered out.

With The Suicide Squad, as well as TV shows like Watchmen and The Boys, it would seem the superhero genre is now in its own revisionist phase. The number of superhero projects aimed expressly at adults is growing – The Suicide Squad’s Peacemaker, for one, has his own R-rated TV spinoff coming to HBO Max next year – though it’s too early to tell if this will come at the expense of family-friendly comic book projects. (Some commentators are already wondering whether Black Widow’s disappointing box office indicates waning interest in Marvel’s cleaner, more conventional brand of superhero story, but it’s easy to be sceptical given the myriad factors that might have led to that film’s under-performance.)
 
Look like the second weekend could be 70% to 80% drop. I think even TSS did well on HBO Max, the IP will be put to rest, or the next one will be with a far smaller budget well under $100million. Jungle Cruise, a movie that came out the week before TSS and you could also watch online, is going to outgross it this weekend, while covid is for sure impacting the box office of all movies, it doesn't explain that drop compared to others during the covid era.

Free Guy is opening to a $26 million opening, so will be interesting to compare its legs to TSS.
 
Apparently the “Ayers Cut” of the other Suicide Squad movie leaked online. I haven’t seen the full thing, but the bits I have are….something.
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Jungle Cruise, a movie that came out the week before TSS and you could also watch online, is going to outgross it this weekend, while covid is for sure impacting the box office of all movies, it doesn't explain that drop compared to others during the covid era.
Jungle Cruise is PG-13 while The Suicide Squad is R so it's not a like for like comparison.
 
I say Dune is doomed from the start.
Was there really demand for a third Dune movie?

The first one was a sad attempt to launch a new Star Wars. Everyone dunks on Lynch for not understanding the books, but all in honesty, if someone else had directed, it would've been entirely forgettable. The second played it down the middle, so nobody remembers it. The Baron is the sole redeeming feature of both.

This new one gives me Ender's Game vibes.
 
Jungle Cruise is PG-13 while The Suicide Squad is R so it's not a like for like comparison.
Well, the only other big R rated movie of the year, MK had a huge drop after the first weekend, but still, the fact Jungle Cruise which only opened $7million higher is dropping far less than TSS to me, makes it seem like it not just covid for the reason it flopped at cinemas. Maybe the age rating is one of those reasons, I mean Harley Quinn is huge with little girls who couldn't get to see this movie at cinemas.
 
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