The Orville appreciation thread - IE, the actual new Star Trek

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I hope the show continues.
 
They were saying that when TNG came out at the time people hated it for not being TOS, and then they hated DS9 for not being TNG. I don't really remember there being a lot of hate for Voyager, but I'm sure it was there too.
This is a gross oversimplification of what actually happened. When TNG came out people hated it because it was genuinely garbage. The first season is unwatchable and the second season is plain fucking bad. People turned around to it when it actually started getting good, but you cannot look at the first few seasons with a straight face and go "omg ppl hate it cuz it new", no people hated it because it was garbage.

People hated DS9 because simply put it was not star trek, and it still is not star trek. People turned around on it because it turned out to be the best sci fi show in 50+ years and arguably its still a strong contender for #1 with very few shows before or after even coming close. It was basically game of thrones in space, except unlike GoT it managed to not shit the bed with the ending. Its not a perfect ending by any means, but a lot better than most shows end today.

Voyager got hate because the insistence to the status quo fucked the entire show's premise from the get go ontop of shitty writing and awful hamfisted morals (the fact that some people defend the tuvix episode is proof that the average star trek fan is not much smarter than the average transformer fan, HEY FUCKERS REMEMBER WHEN JANEWAY EXPLICITLY DISAVOWED HER VERY ACTIONS IN THE ORGAN HARVESTING EPISODE????????) making it pointless and causing half the audience to hate the entire crew ontop of an asspull ending of janeway oneshoting as many borg cubes as physically possible before her cheat codes run out.

The only reason people still give a shit about voyager is because of the doctor and seven of nine.

Enterprise's worst crime was being mid, which considering its like the 5th show in the star trek series, the writers should have learned to not coast by on name recognition, its entirely on them for being unable to pull anything better than "mid" 5 shows in especially after the shitshow that was voyager.

Of all the star trek shows the only one that really got unfair treatment at first was ds9, but the criticism of "its not real star trek" was reasonably well founded even if it ended up being better than "real star trek".
 
I didn't watch The Orville when it first came out because I ain't paying for a streaming service with commercials. Just kinda put it off until recently.

I'm liking the show so far but I do have some problems. Firstly episode 3, the court scene. First Officer Cheatin' Bitch (and trust me, I'll get to her) seriously seems like a parody of progressive leftists being completely incapable of making sound arguments.
"Since this woman from a species with super strength is stronger than the males in this room who aren't from a species with super strength, we can conclude that there's no difference in abilities between genders!"
And then the Moclan points out that a male of her species would likely be able to do it with half the effort, to which she just replies that there's not a male of her species present so we'll never know, there's no way of knowing so the matter is settled.
Except we could literally pull up their own information about their species gender dimorphism. We could just check records to see if the males of their species are stronger than the females. And nobody thinks to point that out?
And then they just bring in a Moclan female and say that she's actually the greatest author in Moclan culture, but they really don't do a goddamn thing to corroborate it. She just says she is and everybody instantly believes her.

And then they pull out the navigator who is a spectacularly dumb person and use him as proof positive that there is no mental difference between males and females despite the fact that there has been a long documented difference in the intelligence between males and females with men occupying the ends of the bell curve and women occupying the center.

Seriously, is this supposed to be a satire on how progressives arguments are all terrible? Or is this supposed to be an indication that First Officer Cheatin' Bitch is just an idiot who couldn't argue her way out of a wet paper bag?



And then we get to the cheating itself. They try to do everything in their power after the first episode to downplay her responsibility. They literally have her state it was inevitable, and have her cuck of an ex husband say it was always coming. Literally trying to justify her behavior and make it less horrid and something tells me that people weren't buying it so they pivot to revealing that the guy she cheated with actually has a heat cycle that causes him to produce pheromones that if he touches you will make you super horny.

They basically just made his entire species rapists. These people know about their heat cycle, know how it affects other people, and the dude outright says that his society considers it rude to turn down sex. That sounds like a recipe for an entire species of rapists.

And it's just kind of ignored so we can tell ourselves First Officer Cheatin' Bitch absolutely isn't a terrible, terrible person for cheating on her husband. No, I don't care that they left it ambiguous at the end of the episode, they obviously want you to infer that she really didn't have a choice because her hormones and such.


Other than these two problems I'm very much enjoying the show so far. My favorite characters are Issac and Bortus.
 
I have a gut feeling this one was silently canceled without making a fuzz.

It's a shame really because a lot of people didn't give it a chance soley becuase it didn't have the Star Trek brand and logos. But this is Star Trek in all but name.

Still Seth Should have named it after something else. The Orville is catchy, but "Star Trek" is much better as a title of an entire fictional universe that has rooms for spin-offs and other ships. The Orville's universe is vast but the name implies it all will just revolve around a singular ship.
 
I have a gut feeling this one was silently canceled without making a fuzz.

It's a shame really because a lot of people didn't give it a chance soley becuase it didn't have the Star Trek brand and logos. But this is Star Trek in all but name.

Still Seth Should have named it after something else. The Orville is catchy, but "Star Trek" is much better as a title of an entire fictional universe that has rooms for spin-offs and other ships. The Orville's universe is vast but the name implies it all will just revolve around a singular ship.
Tricky challenge given that Space Anything never sounds good and Star Anything is cliché. And yeah, only on streaming service was the death knell for this show, just like season 3 of TOS.
 
I have a gut feeling this one was silently canceled without making a fuzz.

It's a shame really because a lot of people didn't give it a chance soley becuase it didn't have the Star Trek brand and logos. But this is Star Trek in all but name.

Still Seth Should have named it after something else. The Orville is catchy, but "Star Trek" is much better as a title of an entire fictional universe that has rooms for spin-offs and other ships. The Orville's universe is vast but the name implies it all will just revolve around a singular ship.
Judging from the last episode, they knew they probably weren't coming back.

Still, you never know. Maybe it'll get a revival in 20 years.
 
I just re-watched The Orville from the beginning with a friend. Now watching the last 2 episodes of season 3,,,

I've still enjoyed the show, it scratches all of the itches that old Trek did, and some of the tranny child virtue signaling accidentally got so far up its own ass that accidentally (?) became based.

The Krill and the Mochlan teaming up is almost literally like if there was a radical tranny country that allied with a radical muzzie country to fight the United States. It just wouldn't happen in real life. I do still like this show, I just think they (most likely accidentally) fucked up their metaphors... Especially after at very least "accidentally" admitting that male circumcision is wrong, to accidentally admitting that trooning out children is wrong...

Still, it's weird that there doesn't seem to be any new information on whether or not this is getting another season. That probably means it isn't, no?
 
Especially after at very least "accidentally" admitting that male circumcision is wrong, to accidentally admitting that trooning out children is wrong.
It's very much done so one could argue it was for one side or the other. Seth is clever when he actually tries. Trooning out is self-harm and will cause suicide indeed.
 
I just re-watched The Orville from the beginning with a friend. Now watching the last 2 episodes of season 3,,,

I've still enjoyed the show, it scratches all of the itches that old Trek did, and some of the tranny child virtue signaling accidentally got so far up its own ass that accidentally (?) became based.

The Krill and the Mochlan teaming up is almost literally like if there was a radical tranny country that allied with a radical muzzie country to fight the United States. It just wouldn't happen in real life. I do still like this show, I just think they (most likely accidentally) fucked up their metaphors... Especially after at very least "accidentally" admitting that male circumcision is wrong, to accidentally admitting that trooning out children is wrong...

Still, it's weird that there doesn't seem to be any new information on whether or not this is getting another season. That probably means it isn't, no?
The best moment was when that one Krill chick showed how the Krill punish those who have abortions: a genetic sample is taken from the parents and a computer simulation of the probable child is made in a holodeck and the parents are made to interact with it as it asks why they killed it. This was meant to be shocking, to demonstrate how eeeevil the Krill are. But it made me side with them. She was right, the Union are hypocrites for making meat-eating a crime but permits abortion. If medical technology is so advanced that a leg can be cut off as a prank and reattached without any complications, abortions should be as obsolete as lobotomies.
 
The best moment was when that one Krill chick showed how the Krill punish those who have abortions: a genetic sample is taken from the parents and a computer simulation of the probable child is made in a holodeck and the parents are made to interact with it as it asks why they killed it. This was meant to be shocking, to demonstrate how eeeevil the Krill are. But it made me side with them. She was right, the Union are hypocrites for making meat-eating a crime but permits abortion. If medical technology is so advanced that a leg can be cut off as a prank and reattached without any complications, abortions should be as obsolete as lobotomies.
in spite of being a racial supremacist, she kept their child because it was still hers and is emotionally attached, even if she uses her against him in the end
and seth even adores the thing for what little time he has with her

So did she do the wrong thing by not aborting her or what the fuck is the overall message here? Because clearly that would've been fucked up on both sides. Krill chick for being racist against her unborn baby enough to kill her and Seth having to choose between being appalled by her racism or accepting it because she didn't want it.

I swear, liberals are very inhuman for their self-professed humanity.
 
in spite of being a racial supremacist, she kept their child because it was still hers and is emotionally attached, even if she uses her against him in the end
and seth even adores the thing for what little time he has with her

So did she do the wrong thing by not aborting her or what the fuck is the overall message here? Because clearly that would've been fucked up on both sides. Krill chick for being racist against her unborn baby enough to kill her and Seth having to choose between being appalled by her racism or accepting it because she didn't want it.

I swear, liberals are very inhuman for their self-professed humanity.
Another WTF moment was when the ginger pilot got flung back in time, and after years without rescue acclimated and lived a normal life on Earth. Even starting a family. When the captain finally went back in time to get him, and he didn't want to leave his family and reset the timeline preventing children being born, going to far as to threaten to shoot the captain... the captain was all "what am I doing, I can just go back to the ship and reset the time machine preventing you from ever being sent back to begin with" and walked off, leaving the time displaced pilot in anguish knowing his best friend is about to temporally murder his children. Then the coda of the episode has the ginger pilot get told what happened, and he's the one who apologizes for how 'selfish' a version of himself acted.

Also, this was the episode that revealed how retarded the Union is about meat-eating. Like sure, replicators would make slaughtering animals obsolete, but when the pilot was stranded in time and was living isolated in the boonies to protect the timeline for years before he gave up, he used his ray gun to hunt animals for food... and this again was a mark of great shame. Going so far as to say he's akin to a serial killer, to which the captain nodded in disapproving agreement, saying his best friend should have just starved to death instead.
 
The Krill and the Mochlan teaming up is almost literally like if there was a radical tranny country that allied with a radical muzzie country to fight the United States. It just wouldn't happen in real life.
It was an interesting story about realpolitik. It wouldn't happen in real life since there's not just one weapon manufacturer. I do like when there's an episode that challenges an organization's ideals. DS9 was really good at it.

Another WTF moment was when the ginger pilot got flung back in time, and after years without rescue acclimated and lived a normal life on Earth. Even starting a family. When the captain finally went back in time to get him, and he didn't want to leave his family and reset the timeline preventing children being born, going to far as to threaten to shoot the captain... the captain was all "what am I doing, I can just go back to the ship and reset the time machine preventing you from ever being sent back to begin with" and walked off, leaving the time displaced pilot in anguish knowing his best friend is about to temporally murder his children. Then the coda of the episode has the ginger pilot get told what happened, and he's the one who apologizes for how 'selfish' a version of himself acted.
Yeah but their version of the Prime Directive also includes the risks of time travel. Gordon was aware of the rules, he knew that they should not interact with the locals, but then he saw the girl he fell in love in that previous episode. At first I was a bit disturbed by Ed and Kelly's reaction but then it made sense. They were tough but right. Time travel can affect not only the place but also the person who experiences it.
 
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