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KKK poster coming in to wish the Orthodox kiwis here a Happy Easter.
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The people standing, the Celebrant says

Arrrgh! Alleluia, Christ, he be risen!

People Arrrgh! The Lord, he be risen indeed. Alleluia!

The Celebrant says to the people

The Lord be with ye.
People And also with ye.

Celebrant Let us pray.
The Celebrant says the Collect.
People Aye, aye.

The Easter white borscht was particularly sour this year, a heavy hand with the vinegar I think. Our wonderful family elder is Irish descended but makes the Easter Borscht every year despite never tasting it. It's a surprise each year.
 
I showed up at the wrong church because apparently we're having it at the other church, which is also in the same town, which is also an Orthodox church. And then I kind of wandered around town for several hours and no one showed up by 12:30, so I kind of felt awkward standing around there. So then I just went home.
Then again, the services did start at 1:00. Eh, that was my fault. I forgot to read the bulletin. Then again, I'd never read the bulletin.
 
I have a question specifically pertaining to Old-Calendar Orthodox churches. At least I think it does, as that is the only variant of Orthodox church I have been to.

A friend of mine converted, and invited me to come to mass there, I have been several times. In the church, there is a wooden partition separating the altar/Eucharist from the standing area, which only the priests and altar servers enter. When I saw this, it occurred to me that there was a striking resemblance to Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, where the Holy of Holies was separated from the standing area by a curtain, and only the priests/servers entered.

But in the Bible, when Jesus died, the curtain was torn in two, symbolizing (by my layman's understanding) that the Old Covenant had ended, and God no longer needed a temple as a "house", and that priests were no longer the only ones "worthy" to see His presence. Which (again by my layman's understanding) would make a partition between the Eucharist and the people not needed.

I asked my friend, who said he honestly wasn't sure, and didn't think to ask the priest at the time. So I was wondering what the Orthodox explanation/justification for this is.
 
Althalus dijo:
I have a question specifically pertaining to Old-Calendar Orthodox churches. At least I think it does, as that is the only variant of Orthodox church I have been to.

A friend of mine converted, and invited me to come to mass there, I have been several times. In the church, there is a wooden partition separating the altar/Eucharist from the standing area, which only the priests and altar servers enter. When I saw this, it occurred to me that there was a striking resemblance to Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, where the Holy of Holies was separated from the standing area by a curtain, and only the priests/servers entered.

But in the Bible, when Jesus died, the curtain was torn in two, symbolizing (by my layman's understanding) that the Old Covenant had ended, and God no longer needed a temple as a "house", and that priests were no longer the only ones "worthy" to see His presence. Which (again by my layman's understanding) would make a partition between the Eucharist and the people not needed.

I asked my friend, who said he honestly wasn't sure, and didn't think to ask the priest at the time. So I was wondering what the Orthodox explanation/justification for this is.
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This may help
Sargon's wife's son dijo:
On a completely unrelated note. How do you deal with some asshole at your church? Just keeps trying to start shit with you?
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Like physical stuff or just annoying you?
 
Sargon's wife's son dijo:
Oh, just keeps trying to spread rumors about me. His wife is a neurotic. Woman who doesn't like me, but I don't really like him either.
He has tried to start physical shit with me, but I've just told him, yeah, I'm not really interested in fighting you.
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Ah. I just try to ignore and I'd let the priest and clergy know
 
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New Patriarch of Georgia is a probable Russophile, but in such matters I believe he will just go where the wind blows.

Still, always nice to be friendly with the Church when doing business in Samshoblo.

Anyhow I've been trying to lobby the Ecumenical Patriarch to move into Gori next to the Stalin museum. He has not responded to any of my letters but that's probably because the Turkish mail system is so horrible.

 
SmokelessFire dijo:
Blessed father Seraphim Rose, pray for us! He was a intelligent, troubeled, extreme man, but a good man, and a saint who loved mankind. A pattern, an example of many whose hearts find Christ in our times.
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GoodWinSon dijo:
w Patriarch of Georgia is a probable Russophile, but in such matters I believe he will just go where the wind blows.



Still, always nice to be friendly with the Church when doing business in Samshoblo.



Anyhow I've been trying to lobby the Ecumenical Patriarch to move into Gori next to the Stalin museum. He has not responded to any of my letters but that's probably because the Turkish mail system is so horrible.
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Honestly, patriarchs should follow vendor and see. So those things that are Caesar's and render on the God those things that are gods. Really, they should not. Comment on. Geopolitical events, unless Orthodox Christians are being harmed.
The Patriarch of Russia and the Patriarch of Constantinople, the biggest. People who do this along with occasionally, the Patriarch of Jerusalem. I refuse to call it Palestine.

Need to finish reading his book? Never got around to it.
 
Sargon's wife's son dijo:
Honestly, patriarchs should follow vendor and see. So those things that are Caesar's and render on the God those things that are gods. Really, they should not. Comment on. Geopolitical events, unless Orthodox Christians are being harmed.
The Patriarch of Russia and the Patriarch of Constantinople, the biggest. People who do this along with occasionally, the Patriarch of Jerusalem. I refuse to call it Palestine.

Need to finish reading his book? Never got around to it.
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Which one?
 
I'm generally more partial toward Holy Orthodoxy (and Eastern Christianity more broadly), but there's one area that the Catholics beat out the Orthodox: Kyrie IX.

Kyrie IX in Gregorian Chant feels more solemn, like the Lord of Lords and King of Kings is actively calling upon me to repent of my sins lest He make me dwell in my grave. In Byzantine Chant, Kyrie IX feels more... overly bombastic? Dramatic? A touch too tryhard? I can't really explain it. Kyrie IX in Gregorian Chant makes me heed the call to prayer, Kyrie IX in Byzantine Chant makes me feel like it belongs in some overly serious documentary soundtrack. That is my argumetn.
 
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