🌟 Internet Famous The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

[Optimus Prime]

Well, he writes for Sally and Max, but the parents rarely have anything to do. And as mentioned earlier, it's easy to forget that he writes for Sally and Max when so many of the episodes don't star them in any way. I mentioned that Ace Attorney episode he wrote. That thing is a two-parter (48 minutes) and not a single Dunn appears.

Yeah if it wasn't for the near facist state 'enforced education' of adults (which again, is entirely pointless given the adults don't ever become functional members of society again) it's easy to forget that adults are even supposed to be a part of this.

Hell, isn't the main family supposed to have a fucking unicorn or something for a pet, too? Funny how that hasn't come up in forever, almost like it's a completely forgettable detail.

Which, ultimately, I think is Enter's greatest problem - he's too caught up in the details. He wants everything to be formed perfectly but doesn't or straight up refuses to acknowledge that his magnum opus is built on a broken foundation. Even his angle for a main plotline is shallow given simply making the girl mayor isn't followed up on, nor will it because I bet Enter doesn't even know what a mayor is even for.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Yeah if it wasn't for the near facist state 'enforced education' of adults (which again, is entirely pointless given the adults don't ever become functional members of society again) it's easy to forget that adults are even supposed to be a part of this.

Hell, isn't the main family supposed to have a fucking unicorn or something for a pet, too? Funny how that hasn't come up in forever, almost like it's a completely forgettable detail.

It's just a pony, but yeah. It barely ever shows up, and I can't even remember if he ever decided if it was a boy or a girl, if I'm remembering right the scripts were inconsistent about that for a long time and I don't recall if/what he ever settled on. He also had an issue with inconsistency involving the pony's name; Sometimes it was Gumdrop, other times it was Gumdrops.

 

[Wabbu]

It's just a pony, but yeah. It barely ever shows up, and I can't even remember if he ever decided if it was a boy or a girl, if I'm remembering right the scripts were inconsistent about that for a long time and I don't recall if/what he ever settled on. He also had an issue with inconsistency involving the pony's name; Sometimes it was Gumdrop, other times it was Gumdrops.

It's a male pony that enjoys crossdressing (no kidding)

 

[Tragedy of the Senate]

Yeah if it wasn't for the near facist state 'enforced education' of adults (which again, is entirely pointless given the adults don't ever become functional members of society again) it's easy to forget that adults are even supposed to be a part of this.

Hell, isn't the main family supposed to have a fucking unicorn or something for a pet, too? Funny how that hasn't come up in forever, almost like it's a completely forgettable detail.

Which, ultimately, I think is Enter's greatest problem - he's too caught up in the details. He wants everything to be formed perfectly but doesn't or straight up refuses to acknowledge that his magnum opus is built on a broken foundation. Even his angle for a main plotline is shallow given simply making the girl mayor isn't followed up on, nor will it because I bet Enter doesn't even know what a mayor is even for.

The problem with the mayor situation is that it's always stagnant until the end or middle of a season. That's the only time you see a progression in that plot. Everything else is like filler, but not enjoyable filler. The episode where Sally and Max impersonate each other (the one where Max makes out with both a frog and a poster of a boy band member), what hapoens there that affects the mayor plot? Nothing. What happens there that develops the characters in any way? Nothing.

It's a male pony that enjoys crossdressing (no kidding)

Enter: It's the best of both worlds.

I know there are other pets in Growing Around, like kids riding around in kangaroos and other wild animals. It's like Enter things just because kids run the world that they'll initially have a lot more creativity than the current world we have. We don't not have kangaroos as pets because adults are killjoys with no creativity; it's because it's impratical to keep one in place of a domestic animal like a dog.

It's not that important when you consider it's a cartoon, but what does it add to the universe when animals are rarely included? An episode staring Gumdrop can't do much, since these are story-driven episodes, and Enter lacks the ability to utilise show not tell. Plus, just like Molly, Gumdrop has an intense fear of dirt (at least from what the character model depicts), so the animalistic nature is turned down.

 

[MysticMisty]

It's a male pony that enjoys crossdressing (no kidding)

It's a pony that doesn't even look like a pony because Enter can't draw, and the artists aren't allowed to make any sort of design adjustments.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

I know there are other pets in Growing Around, like kids riding around in kangaroos and other wild animals. It's like Enter things just because kids run the world that they'll initially have a lot more creativity than the current world we have. We don't not have kangaroos as pets because adults are killjoys with no creativity; it's because it's impratical to keep one in place of a domestic animal like a dog.

Kangaroos can be extremely vicious and dangerous, normally this could be brushed off with "It's a cartoon", but since Enter wants this all to be realistic and have consequences and whatnot, I'd imagine the kids keep getting mauled by these things.

 

[Chromeo]

Kangaroos can be extremely vicious and dangerous, normally this could be brushed off with "It's a cartoon", but since Enter wants this all to be realistic and have consequences and whatnot, I'd imagine the kids keep getting mauled by these things.

Anyone involved surely acknowledges also that kangaroos are animals you're not just gonna find at the pet store, right? I mean, yeah, "it's a cartoon" and all, but it's not like ~creativity~ is what prevents people from having pet kangaroos. We'd all have big weird pets if they weren't prohibitively expensive, non-native, and hard to take care of. That's why they're called exotic. Even guinea pigs and parrots are considered exotic pets by vet standards.

 

[Leghorn Foghorn]

Anyone involved surely acknowledges also that kangaroos are animals you're not just gonna find at the pet store, right? I mean, yeah, "it's a cartoon" and all, but it's not like ~creativity~ is what prevents people from having pet kangaroos. We'd all have big weird pets if they weren't prohibitively expensive, non-native, and hard to take care of. That's why they're called exotic. Even guinea pigs and parrots are considered exotic pets by vet standards.

We don't even have pet kangaroos in Australia - they prefer to live in rural areas, away from civilisation. But then again, research has never been Enter's strong suit, if he even has one.

Oh yeah - his strong suit is autism. Right.

 

[MysticMisty]

Anyone involved surely acknowledges also that kangaroos are animals you're not just gonna find at the pet store, right? I mean, yeah, "it's a cartoon" and all, but it's not like ~creativity~ is what prevents people from having pet kangaroos. We'd all have big weird pets if they weren't prohibitively expensive, non-native, and hard to take care of. That's why they're called exotic. Even guinea pigs and parrots are considered exotic pets by vet standards.

Enter gives no fucks, he went as far as to create entire pony dealerships for the show.

 

[Tragedy of the Senate]

Enter gives no fucks, he went as far as to create entire pony dealerships for the show.

Which is entirely pointless when you consider that kids can drive cars in this universe. I've seen people who ride horses in real life to get places, but the vast majority of people are using cars for their convenience. Summerway is [to my understanding] similar to New York City. Those crowded roads aren't suited for horses. Maybe if Summerway were country-side, using animals to go places would make sense. Hell, maybe Molly's thick Southern accent and April's desire for looking amazing (exotic fashion) would make sense if they were in a country area and not the generic town.

See, if Enter had just written episodes for one season and hadn't scattered them across six, he'd be able to make heavy changes that would improve his work even slightly. But since he writes episodes for whatever season he feels like, he'd have to adjust probably 40+ scripts to reflect that, and you know he doesn't have that kind of energy.

Actually, about his work ethic, what have his artists been doing all this time since his DeviantArt account has been purged? There's been considerably less official art than before. The only one that comes to mind is that one Ava made recently with Autumn and Robert.

 

[MysticMisty]

Ponies aren't for riding, they're for keeping as pets. They're just sold at dealerships instead of pet stores because this world is WACKY (except for when it's grounded in reality)!

Hell, maybe Molly's thick Southern accent and April's desire for looking amazing (exotic fashion) would make sense if they were in a country area and not the generic town.

Reminder that he ripped off those bits from My Little Pony, which is set in a small country town.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Maybe if Summerway were country-side, using animals to go places would make sense. Hell, maybe Molly's thick Southern accent and April's desire for looking amazing (exotic fashion) would make sense if they were in a country area and not the generic town.

As Mystic Misty points out, this is taken wholesale from MLP FIM. Hell, I recall reading that the whole point of Rarity from the pony show a fashion designer was to avoid the tropes of vain fashion followers...which Enter seems to blunder into head-on.

 

[Tragedy of the Senate]

As Mystic Misty points out, this is taken wholesale from MLP FIM. Hell, I recall reading that the whole point of Rarity from the pony show a fashion designer was to avoid the tropes of vain fashion followers...which Enter seems to blunder into head-on.

Well I'll be damned...
So what's he taken from MLP so far in total?

Sally is Pinkie, but not an asshole
April is Rarity, only she likes fashion just to compensate for her lack of anything else interesting
Molly is Applejack, but has a job that doesn't correlate with her fashion standards
That Dora girl is just Fluttershy, but annoying
Most of the characters in this world are girls, with boys barely appearing or being treated as lesser
Gumdrops is a pony, so that's an obvious copy
The theme song trope of starting off very slow and then getting very loud and fast

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Well I'll be damned...
So what's he taken from MLP so far in total?

Sally is Pinkie, but not an asshole
April is Rarity, only she likes fashion just to compensate for her lack of anything else interesting
Molly is Applejack, but has a job that doesn't correlate with her fashion standards
That Dora girl is just Fluttershy, but annoying
Most of the characters in this world are girls, with boys barely appearing or being treated as lesser
Gumdrops is a pony, so that's an obvious copy
The theme song trope of starting off very slow and then getting very loud and fast

Don't forget the super-important season-wide story arcs that only play a role in three out of 26 episodes.

 

[The Decimator]

It's a male pony that enjoys crossdressing (no kidding)

In its first appearance, it also kept farting for no reason. Fans complained that the fart jokes were unneeded, so Enter removed them from later drafts of the story.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

In its first appearance, it also kept farting for no reason. Fans complained that the fart jokes were unneeded, so Enter removed them from later drafts of the story.

Friendly reminder that when he accepted scripts from fans, one of the few he actually liked was a fart fetish one:

Growing Around- Linda's Secret Fart (DRAFT 2) by glassesgaming on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

He's since hidden his comment on it (So, I guess he is capable of feeling shame eventually), but it's obvious he was appreciative of this:

 

[Master Shake]

I seem to recall in his Sanjay and Craig review (the first Enter video I ever saw in fact, and things have been downhill ever since...), he states that farts aren't inherently funny and that S&C was wrong and bad for basing its humor on farts.

Oh, but I forgot, Enter's doing it right.

 

[LiquidKid]

I kinda agree, kinda disagree. MLP has always been a mixture of episodic and serialized stories. The very first episode is about the ponies meeting, and the second is about them being invited to a gala. Throughout season 1, there are multiple episodes about them getting ready for the gala, and in the season finale, they finally attend it. Later seasons follow a similar trend where there's a continuous story (sometimes multiple) with episodic stories in between.

Edit: Forgot to post this screencap from the Discord, which was the entire reason I came here in the first place
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The poor guy didn't even get a chance to explain himself. All he did was question Riley's pronouns and got instabanned.

Yeah, I get that. My point was that MLP's continuity is a neat detail to thread episodes together, but I'd still consider the show "episodic" since each episode can still hold up on it's own merits. "The Ticket Master" is about Twilight's struggle trying to choose which friend she should go to a party with. "Suited for Success" is about Rarity trying to design her friends the perfect dresses for a party. "The Best Night Ever" is about the main cast going to a big party they had high hopes for and everything going horribly wrong. If you didn't know these episodes were all about the same party, how much would you be confused if you watched one but not the other two?

Okay, enough horse talk. What's important here is that the average Enterbot's idea of "serialization" is so basic that the term has lost all meaning almost a decade ago, to the point where they'll consider any show with continuity and lasting consequences to be "serialized."

A show can have an over arching plot and not be serialized. A good example is Seinfeld season 4. Often considered the best season, the majority of it centers around the story of Jerry and George creating a tv pilot for NBC which turns out to be a meta parody of Seinfeld itself. However there are many episodes that don’t even acknowledge the show and some that only acknowledge vicariously through the inclusion of specific characters. The final kicker is in the season finale, every new character they interacted with throughout the season all watch the pilot’s premier and give their reactions. This was not a serialized show, it was very much an episodic sitcom with mild story elements. The difference of the two really comes down to how you want the audience to enjoy your characters.
Sitcoms require you to watch week after week to form a relationship with them as if they were your friends, and serials require you to come back to see what has happened next in their story. I have not watched MLP, but the way you guys talk about it, it’s more akin to the Seinfeld style of seasonal plot than a full blown serial.

Anyone involved surely acknowledges also that kangaroos are animals you're not just gonna find at the pet store, right? I mean, yeah, "it's a cartoon" and all, but it's not like ~creativity~ is what prevents people from having pet kangaroos. We'd all have big weird pets if they weren't prohibitively expensive, non-native, and hard to take care of. That's why they're called exotic. Even guinea pigs and parrots are considered exotic pets by vet standards.

You, my friend, have clearly never gone to a Las Vegas or South Florida pet store. I’ve seen kangaroos for sale in both

 

[66andtwothirds]

ironically as he hates brian, his obsession with near-pointless details like the specifics of a pony dealership, and the resulting inability to actually world build, is the same as the episode where Brian goes on ritalin to write a story and george rr martin notes that he just threw a lot of very detailed things together hoping they would fit.

 

[Tragedy of the Senate]

A show can have an over arching plot and not be serialized. A good example is Seinfeld season 4. Often considered the best season, the majority of it centers around the story of Jerry and George creating a tv pilot for NBC which turns out to be a meta parody of Seinfeld itself. However there are many episodes that don’t even acknowledge the show and some that only acknowledge vicariously through the inclusion of specific characters. The final kicker is in the season finale, every new character they interacted with throughout the season all watch the pilot’s premier and give their reactions. This was not a serialized show, it was very much an episodic sitcom with mild story elements. The difference of the two really comes down to how you want the audience to enjoy your characters.

I think what makes Growing Around's overarching plot worse is the level of importance in-universe. In Seinfeld, yeah the characters are creating a TV pilot (and we care), but it's a TV pilot. When you scale it back, it's not that serious in the grand scheme of things, and this allows episodes that don't focus on it to still fit within the season. In Growing Around, the overarching plot involves Sally ruling over an entire city. And since Summerway is the only setting in the show Enter actually focuses on, that's really important. Having only the beginning and ending episodes of each season further the plot in a meaningful way makes the middle an unnecessary slog. For something Sally should be invested in becoming, she sure does show very little interest for most of the show.