The Kiwifarms Unofficial Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book Club

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I finally got around to reading Raising Steam last summer and it just made me a little sad
I get sad whenever I reread the books and see all the set-up he was working on for Vetinari's "Undertaking" that was never realized (subways, tax reform, etc.) Also why did that Mary Sue race of gobbos have to infect every book towards the end?
 
I get sad whenever I reread the books and see all the set-up he was working on for Vetinari's "Undertaking" that was never realized (subways, tax reform, etc.) Also why did that Mary Sue race of gobbos have to infect every book towards the end?
I figured they were either a metaphor for jews or jeets. Probably jeets
 
I wanna die. I can't wait to see what other horrible subversion they shove into this.

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Finally getting around to Hyperion as an audiobook. Audiobookbay had a 16kbps version which was unacceptable, but I was able to find it at my local library branch where I ripped the audio as .flac

It's great. The Priest's story is particularly horrifying.

All of the "The Damned" series, even with the first book being from the prospective of a 90's peace focused liberal.

I'll second The Damned series. The first couple are good because the concept is so amusing. Humans are basically amazing at killing and all the other races in the universe need them to fight because peaceful societies are the norm in the galaxy. Plate tectonics are unique to Earth and most races grow up with little competition and have to learn to live together because they all develop on a single continent. It's a fun series but I got kind of burned out on it by the third book.
 
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I get sad whenever I reread the books and see all the set-up he was working on for Vetinari's "Undertaking" that was never realized (subways, tax reform, etc.) Also why did that Mary Sue race of gobbos have to infect every book towards the end?
One of the things I enjoyed about the series was watching Ankh-Morpork go from early-Renaissance to Mid-Victorian era. Somehow pterry made it all work within series internal logic. Vetinari was perhaps my favorite character and I wish pterry could have finished what he had planned for him.
As to the Goblins I do wonder if that was some influence of his daughters. I feel like the whole racial justice (I hate using that term as its so poisoned now but I can't think of a better one) thing that he was going for was really resolved with Thud! so to me it was strange be brought it right back up again in Snuff.
 
I haven't read the thread so I am not sure what the overall zeitgeist is about these kinds of books, but can someone recommend me some good LitRPG series? I just read through book 8 of Dungeon Crawler Carl and was pretty underwhelmed, like the entire plot came to a head in book 7 and everything moving forward will be less punchy. Carl getting to wail on the actual people that are ostensibly to blame for putting him through the Dungeon felt like a premature climax with everything else being just loose ends. And I think I've grown a little tired of the overly simple writing style. I've read good things about He Who Fights With Monsters. I tried the Wandering Inn and couldn't really get behind it. Maybe its time to give Brando Sando a try?
 
Read Mistborn. If you like it, he has over 9000 other books just like it!

I'm on a Stephen R. Donaldson kick lately; reading the Thomas Covenant books for the first time in 20 years. Mordant Sneed.

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I suppose on the topic of books that got a lot of teens into reading fantasy and just reading more in general, lowkey I think people are too hard on Brando but then again I haven’t read anything since Oathbringer.
 
I just read through book 8 of Dungeon Crawler Carl and was pretty underwhelmed, like the entire plot came to a head in book 7 and everything moving forward will be less punchy.
I’m really enjoying DCC and I’m up to date after reading PoH. Yeah, Faction wars was kind of where things were supposed to come to a head but there are enough plot threads to keep you guessing to what comes next. With 2 books left in the series before concluding, Matt Dinnaman is really setting it up to be something special after the conclusion of Parade of Horribles. Plus I can finish one of his books in a week which makes the “time spent” to “enjoyment” ratio pretty worth it.
 
I suppose on the topic of books that got a lot of teens into reading fantasy and just reading more in general, lowkey I think people are too hard on Brando but then again I haven’t read anything since Oathbringer.
His Stormlight books are enjoyable if you're in the mood for gigantic 2000-page epics. His newest one was full of poz, though.
 
His Stormlight books are enjoyable if you're in the mood for gigantic 2000-page epics. His newest one was full of poz, though.
It can’t possibly be worse than what Rick Riorden did to the Percy Jackson franchise.
It went from Percy being the biggest goon from that era of YA urban fantasy, throwing hands and talking shit, to literally fanfic-grade faggotry.
 
I haven't read the thread so I am not sure what the overall zeitgeist is about these kinds of books, but can someone recommend me some good LitRPG series?
The only other series in the LitRPG genre I was able to finish was Mark of the Fool, and it’s more genre adjacent than heavily RPG element focused. It’s also nowhere near as good as Carl, so YMMV. You can try digging through Royal Road, since thats the site the pioneered the concept, but most of the works on there are in progress. I couldn’t make it past the opening chapters of He Who Fights With Monsters, but it might get better?

As for Sanderson, Mistborn is fun, I started Way of Kings and it seems interesting. I also recommend you try James Islington or Brent Weeks, but where I’ve really liked their works a lot of other people seem more mixed (Lightbringer is WAY better than Nightangel).
 
The only other series in the LitRPG genre I was able to finish was Mark of the Fool, and it’s more genre adjacent than heavily RPG element focused. It’s also nowhere near as good as Carl, so YMMV. You can try digging through Royal Road, since thats the site the pioneered the concept, but most of the works on there are in progress. I couldn’t make it past the opening chapters of He Who Fights With Monsters, but it might get better?

As for Sanderson, Mistborn is fun, I started Way of Kings and it seems interesting. I also recommend you try James Islington or Brent Weeks, but where I’ve really liked their works a lot of other people seem more mixed (Lightbringer is WAY better than Nightangel).
Sando’s oneshot books were legit his best work, Elantris has my favorite character in the whole Cosmere. Hrathden is legitimately one of his most interesting characters, but that’s a whole other rant.
I also thought that Warbreaker was underrated.
 
The only other series in the LitRPG genre I was able to finish was Mark of the Fool, and it’s more genre adjacent than heavily RPG element focused. It’s also nowhere near as good as Carl, so YMMV.
What I’ve found with most litRPG books is that the whole video game leveling system is usually just used to prop up bad writing. Don’t know how they will get out of a situation? Have them level up and gain a new skill. Where DCC gets it right is that…

1. None of the characters want to play the game. They’re all forced there against their will.
2. The story is way more character focused than other litRPG series.
3. The whole idea of leveling is questioned and outright resented by everyone involved. Let’s be real, video game mechanics in a book series are fucking stupid and should never be accepted as common place by the characters who experience them. It shouldn’t be taken seriously by the people in that world that lieutenant Dumbfuck from Schnitzeland is just naturally better at fighting because he leveled up and got good gear and skills and went Ding!

At least with DCC, the entire inventory system serves as a collection of Chekov’s guns stretching back 8 books to become relevant so far down the line, it’s impressive really.
 
The whole idea of leveling is questioned and outright resented by everyone involved. Let’s be real, video game mechanics in a book series are fucking stupid and should never be accepted as common place by the characters who experience them. It shouldn’t be taken seriously by the people in that world that lieutenant Dumbfuck from Schnitzeland is just naturally better at fighting because he leveled up and got good gear and skills and went Ding!
Im largely harsh on the genre for this specific reason, even as Im actively trying to write a LitRPG series myself. I think the trappings of a preconceived system that serves as an easy to understand basis for a magical system is good, but I think using it as a crutch for lazy writing or as a do cool shit button is the worst way to use it. I do also think that it’s a major draw to people who only consume anime and manga, and the hope that even one of them makes the jump to reading ACTUALLY good fiction is enough to not make me hate the genre outright.
 
the hope that even one of them makes the jump to reading ACTUALLY good fiction is enough to not make me hate the genre outright.
What I’ve found with most litRPG books is that the whole video game leveling system is usually just used to prop up bad writing. Don’t know how they will get out of a situation? Have them level up and gain a new skill.
I've scouted quite a few "rising stars" on RR since, to my understanding, that is still far and away the best place to self pub anything fantasy/litrpg/wuxia. I cannot understand how the DING DING WAHOO and giant stat blocks became common among this genre. I understand why they work mechanically, but in a literary sense, it is the living embodiment of tell don't show. I don't recall the name but I read a "cozy" dungeon crawler a couple years back that opens up in the most typicaly way possible, but it was charming enough for me to read through their first dungeon crawl about 10 or so chapters in. There, they get this blink dagger thing that lets them teleport across long distances, so like a diegetic fast travel mechanic that they're supposed to go and leave in the place they want to warp to. I was then presented with 20 pages straight of loredump vomit and talking about how different cultures in the world have different gender norms and that's why the side character doesn't like being called a girl o algo. Why do people do this? It starts off nice and then turns vomitous as soon as you're past the barest investment threshold.

I personally like more slow burn LitRPGs. I am a lot more invested and engaged if the hero scrapes by the skin of his teeth instead of DING WHOPEE ASSPULL PERFECT TIMING or "Level Up!" followed by 5 pages of stats. Ngl the loot box opening scenes in DCC really took me out of it the first few times before I got used to it. It makes sense and works in the novel itself, but as a trope, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck no.
 
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I haven't read the thread so I am not sure what the overall zeitgeist is about these kinds of books, but can someone recommend me some good LitRPG series? I just read through book 8 of Dungeon Crawler Carl and was pretty underwhelmed, like the entire plot came to a head in book 7 and everything moving forward will be less punchy. Carl getting to wail on the actual people that are ostensibly to blame for putting him through the Dungeon felt like a premature climax with everything else being just loose ends. And I think I've grown a little tired of the overly simple writing style. I've read good things about He Who Fights With Monsters. I tried the Wandering Inn and couldn't really get behind it. Maybe its time to give Brando Sando a try?
I actually like The Wandering Inn since it is a nice breather between my usual reads, need a break from cosmic wars and interstellar wars and other kinds of wars and it was a nice fit. Regarding Sanderson, I'm not a major fan of his but I loved the Mistborn trilogy and you should absolutely give it a read. He's overrated to hell but I still think that he's a very skilled writer, he very clearly plans his story out ahead of time and is very skilled at painting major plot and setting elements as minor details until the big reveal, the kinda shit that makes rereading his books a lotta fun, though it feels like once you read one of his series you kinda read them all and the rest seem way less interesting since now you know what to look for. Still, Mistborn is a great read and the magic system absolutely lives up to the hype it gets,
 
I cannot understand how the DING DING WAHOO and giant stat blocks became common among this genre.
Autism+vidya gaems as the sole frame of reference. No hate to those who enjoy them, I tried Mother of Learning and some cyberpunk cultivation story and bounced off them both. Just not my type of storytelling.
 
The Jacob's Ladder Trilogy by Elizabeth Bear is interesting, especially the first book, Dust. It starts with a servant working at the castle while they drag a prisoner with her wings cut off through the courtyard, and she goes on a journey to rediscover the truth of their world which was shattered by man's hubris and works with an angel to piece together the mind of the world so that they can move it away from a star about to go supernova.
 
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