The Kiwifarms Unofficial Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book Club

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For those of you wanting to get into the rest of Discworld after this month, I think publishing order is perfectly fine (and that's more or less how I read them) but picking a set a characters and following them all the way through is also a great approach, especially if you want to see the extremely satisfying growth of Vimes, or watch Carrot evolve beyond being a joke character. Just be cautious reading the last few of his novels, I don't consider ones like Snuff as canon.

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As for wokeness, really just consider the time he was writing in things were not like today and “liberals” were not as absolutely fucking nuts.
Yeah, it pisses me off when people (on either side of the aisle) try to reframe his early books as woke. Woke didn't exist back then, woke didn't take off until around the early/mid 2010s and the bulk of his stuff is from the 80s-00s. The female dwarves are not about trannies because trannies (in their current AGP incarnation) didn't exist back then, not in the public eye. It's obviously written by a mainstream lefty guy of the era, but he was writing to comedically explore ideas like "what if female dwarves started an underground movement to act more feminine, beards and all?" not commanding readers to suck the tranny cock.
 
I think the earlier books had races mostly getting along to discriminate against other species, one had a line that was something like “the man with white skin and the man with black skin will set aside their differences to gang up against the man with green skin” though I don’t recall the actual quote
 
Oooohhh I've been wanting an excuse to read more Discworld
I've read The Color of Magic, The Light Fantastic, Mort, and Hogfather.
I've never seen that reading guide so I have that saved now.
I'll jump in and catch up once I finish up Memory's Legion, that expanse anthology novel that got pit together once that series wrapped up.
 
I’m a little scared to reread Guards Guards because knowing me I’ll want to reread all 56 books (including side stories like the Science series) and there goes my summer
 
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Alright, this is definitely better than whichever book I had tried before.

This is definitely a very British (non-derogatory) fantasy story.

I can guess who Carrot will turn out to be in the end but I'm fine with that.

The bit with the dragon summoning was an interesting way of showing how magic works. Was this pre-D&D? I don't know my Prachett timeline.

Again, the Patrician is a very British image of an effective leader.

Vimes wearing sandals is confusing, considering everything else is your standard medieval/renaissance setting

I find it funny that "fantasy city BUT its a grimy shithole filled with thieves and cutthroats" is still seen today as a subversion of fantasy tropes despite arguably being more common in fantasy fiction than the reverse.
 
This is definitely a very British (non-derogatory) fantasy story.
I’ve always thought that the English have a very distinct way of writing their fantasy and sci-fi and all that.
Even the cadence is very distinct, and that’s not even bringing up the deadpan humor. There’s just this specific patter that screams “English”.
 
Are there many sports-based sci-fi/fantasy books?
I know one that’s about MMA fighting, but really that’s it off the top of my head.
One of Robert Asprin's Myth Adventures novels features a soccer-type game in it as a big plot point. That's the only novel I can think of off the top of my head there's several short stories that come to mind -

"Steel" by Richard Matheson, which is about boxing

"Run to Starlight" and "The Last Super Bowl Game" by George R.R. Martin, both about football

Idle Pleasures, a short story collection by George Alec Effinger about various science fictional sporting events.
 
I’m really liking how the secret society are abject retards messing around with forces beyond their comprehension, and especially how the leader is the only smart guy but also not smart enough to realize exactly why the wizards are terrified of magic. He’s smart enough to cause problems, but he’s not smart enough to realize what he’s getting himself into and I’m liking that perspective because it’s different than “le ebil smart wizard”.
I love the Watch, they’re great characters and play off each other well and, of course, the world building we get to see through them going around the city is a great time. Discworld is probably the best and most unique fantasy world ever made, in a large part because of how the series is structured. Nothing feels out of place because nothing can be out of place, that’s just how it is and it leads to everything feeling so detailed and unique and that leads to all of the great stories in this series.
Sidenote, some time in the future I think it would be fun to have a month where we watch some old movies or shows just to shake things up a little. There’s tons of amazing and unique films and shows from way back when that have been forgotten in the modern time, I have a box set of fifty real old pulp sci-fi films that are things like Teenagers From Outer Space and Santa Claus Vs. The Martians and stuff like that, and I think it could be fun to check some of that world out and compare notes. Next month will still be a book, I’m just floating out an idea.
 
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I'm gonna show my hipsterdom and name a fantasy parody comedy series that predates Discworld (but not Xanth or Hitchhiker's Guide), but only because I read the first 5-6 books as a kid in the 90s and became obsessed with it for awhile, and I finally went and read the entire series a couple years ago and had a blast. Myth Adventures by Robert Asprin still holds up, though the nerd world has forgotten it. Maybe some Kiwis will like it
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Please don't talk about the secret society of Myth Adventures in public.

Seriously, I read the whole thing and I think it's very fun reading. I discovered it by picking up volume 2 of the complete collection at a Borders. Remember Borders?

Dimension hopping is a nice gimmick for doing quick whacky adventures and collecting an interesting cast of characters.
 
I'm gonna show my hipsterdom and name a fantasy parody comedy series that predates Discworld (but not Xanth or Hitchhiker's Guide), but only because I read the first 5-6 books as a kid in the 90s and became obsessed with it for awhile, and I finally went and read the entire series a couple years ago and had a blast. Myth Adventures by Robert Asprin still holds up, though the nerd world has forgotten it. Maybe some Kiwis will like it.
I post exceedingly rarely, but this warrants it, as you've roused some fond memories of an old Doc some 35-ish years ago, reading the Yugo translations of the first 2-3 Myth novels. I still remember them fondly, unfortunately however, those were the only ones they managed to translate before the war, though the translations were stellar, with extremely funny localisations by people who got the original jokes so well. The old Yugo SF/Fantasy magazine/translation scene used to be so good, we got all the big Names (Asimov, Clarke, JRRT, but also quite a few smaller and more obscure ones quickly and properly translated, even though English was at the time a tertiary language for most, and quite a few interesting local authors as well. Shame that the war and subsequent western-directed idiotisation of the population put an end to reading for the vast majority of the population, and nowadays, if you see anyone reading, chances are it's some ancient fuck like me, or a girl/woman reading some dogshit romance/romantasy garbage (that's sadly, almost exclusively what gets published these days).(:_(

On a related note, really glad that this thread exists, I picked up some solid recs for some newer (mostly Baen/DAW) stuff like The Lost Fleet or the Sun Eater series, that I've been pleasantly surprised by, and that I almost certainly would pass up on otherwise, so thanks for that whoever rec'd them. I'll probably take this month's opportunity to reread most of Pratchett's work, as i've missed a couple of the Books in the Discworld opus. I might despise Bongs, but god damn if they didn't make some of the finest examples of writing and comedy in the last century, no fucking chance you'd get something like Allo Allo or Monty Python nowadays sadly.

But enough about my old balkanoid sperging; now to get back on topic, I've read most of Tchaikovsky's books, and he's what i'd describe as an at most 7-7,5/10 author, who sometimes goes over very interesting (i.e. biologysperg) topics/story threads, however who can't really write endings well, and whose writing tends to be a slog at times (again, mostly towards the end of the books). However in a sea of sub-mediocrity, fetishslop and other horrors, he is elevated by pure virtue of not generally being plain BAD, and thusly i still rembember quite a few things from his works, and quite fondly at that. Children of Time is probably his best work, and the first novel is probably the best, i kinda have the feeling he recycled the premise 2-3x more times to milk the publishers for the sequels.

P.S: As a funny endnote, to this day i thought his last name was Aspirin (like the medicine). Studying/working in medicine really gives you autism/schizophrenia (or it's a prerequisite for the field:sonichu:, who knows).
/end sperging
 
Dirk Gently was OK. I could even stretch to calling it fine. Adams' writing is charming, but the final result could have done with longer in the oven. There was too much going on, but the main thrust didn't feel set up at all until it was introduced and resolved within the last 50-odd pages. A nice but unsatisfying read.
 
Finished Guards! Guards!. Fun, breezy read overall, the dry humor worked, it was obviously poking fun at dark fantasy without being too grimderp or derivative. Didn't exactly blow me away, I would probably think more highly of it if I had first encountered it as a pre-teen instead of now (also the quintessentially British attitude of "'ere now, yew got a loisense for this disturbance, mate?" is wearing a little thin nowadays).

Between this and Perdidito Street Station I'm kinda burnt out on cynical shithole fantasy for a while, gonna go read some high fantasy to cleanse the palate.
 
One book I'd like to recommend is Dauntless by Jack Campbell, the first book of the Lost Fleet series written by John G Hemry under a pen name
Thanks for this. I bought and finished the first book today. It’s a solid story and the fleet tactics are really interesting.

What are your guys' thoughts on some of his later books where this famed nuance vanishes and the writing quality itself falls off a fucking cliff? Somewhere around Unseen Academicals something went terribly wrong. Alzheimer's progressed too far but no one was willing to edit him? Ghost writing?
Unseen Academicals was the first book I noticed a change in the writing and quality of the story. Snuff was my least favorite of the Sam Vimes stories and I haven’t been able to make it through Raising Steam. It’s sad how that horrible disease takes your faculties over time. It’s a shame that such a creative writer got hit with that. I’ve read his daughter helped a lot with those later books based on his notes and supervision but the spark is missing.
 
Unseen Academicals was the first book I noticed a change in the writing and quality of the story. Snuff was my least favorite of the Sam Vimes stories and I haven’t been able to make it through Raising Steam. It’s sad how that horrible disease takes your faculties over time. It’s a shame that such a creative writer got hit with that. I’ve read his daughter helped a lot with those later books based on his notes and supervision but the spark is missing.
For me it was Monstrous Regiment, I think that’s the only Pterry book that I actively disliked. Going Postal came out after that one though which I really like but I think that was probably his last great book.
I finally got around to reading Raising Steam last summer and it just made me a little sad, the spark was obviously gone at that point. It was still competent enough, the storyline was fine, but that spark was just all gone.

I’m about 2/3rds of my way through my re-read of Guards! Guards! and it is a delight. It’s been years since I’ve read it and I had forgotten just how good it was. I used to think it was the weakest of the Guards series but I’m changing my mind on that.
 
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