The Handmaid's Tale - Null's latest favorite pop culture thing. A world where guys like Nick Fuentes and Turkey Tom rule america. "anyone that hates this tv show is a pedo"

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>want to write book to push your feminist agenda by making readers angry about women being horribly oppressed
>but all the places where women are horribly oppressed are brown or muslim (or both)
>can't write a story where browns or muslims are portrayed negatively cause that would be racist
>solution: race swap the evil browns, make them white instead, and religion-swap the evil muslims, make them christians instead
>successfully manufactured a narrative about how the evil christofascist whitoids are oppressing the poor womyns
>millions of women consider this a literary masterpiece

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I haven't seen the show. I read the book back when it came out in 1985.

At that time, fundamentalist Christians - they weren't called evangelicals then - were a major force in American politics, and many of their political issues did involve imposing their views on non-Christians. For example, they were fighting hard to teach creationist pseudoscience as fact in public schools and keep evolution out. Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, so it wasn't new, but pro-choice/right-to-life splits were as acrimonious then as they are now. The Moral Majority, a conservative Christian political organization, was a major factor getting Ronald Reagan elected, and the scandals that discredited a lot of fundamentalist leaders hadn't happened yet (Jim Bakker's sex scandal was 1987, Jimmy Swaggart's was 1988).

The Handmaid's Tale came out at a point in time where you could imagine a future where these smug, self-righteous types got the power they were openly seeking.

I've never watched the show. For one thing, that time is over - America is a less religious place than it was, and modern Christian activism is less about teaching their own junk science to other people's kids and more about keeping other people's junk science (i.e., troonery) from being taught to their own kids. And for another, 21st-century liberals enjoy pretending that fundamentalist Christians are still a force to be reckoned with and they're fighting back via drag queen story hour, flying the progress flag, and sharing the Trans Life Line phone number. I figured that even making the show in this day and age was more of the same.
 
Kether dijo:
how do people here like the book or tv show?
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I really like them both for different reasons.

The book does a better explanation of the origin of Gilead. The TV show was an okay adaptation, but I think they should have focused more of the "how did this happen."

If they were going for a cautionary tale, it didn't caution enough. It made it seem like life in Gilead may be attractive and stable for certain people.

Pro:
No breadlines
No Homeless
Pollution was under control
Clean water
Hard work was valued
Did not appear to be technology-displacing work as a central focus of the society
Society focused on family life and raising children

I would have loved to have seen more of this world and exploring the consequences of their decisions.
 
I greatly enjoyed the novel, have read it a few times. Never really watched the TV adaptation though.

All the beef fit to eat dijo:
If they were going for a cautionary tale, it didn't caution enough. It made it seem like life in Gilead may be attractive and stable for certain people.
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It's a more realistic approach IMO vs. a totally dystopian and oppressive system. The cautionary element is the fact this kind of system could appeal to certain people, possibly enough of them to make it happen. Something that appeals to nobody will never be able to seize power.

A lot like how the dystopia portrayed in Brave New World is more plausible than that in 1984. Even the Stalinist era the latter was based on delivered material improvements in people's lives, albeit at an atrocious human cost.

Commander Suzdal dijo:
The Handmaid's Tale came out at a point in time where you could imagine a future where these smug, self-righteous types got the power they were openly seeking.
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The Iranian Revolution also had a huge influence on the novel, since it was a factual example of religious fundamentalists overthrowing an existing government and establishing a theocracy.

Also important to keep in mind there really isn't anything Christian about Gilead's theology, in fact Baptists and Catholics are specifically mentioned as being targets/enemies of the regime.
 
I had to read it in college. I'm not saying this shit can't happen. I'm not saying there aren't societies ruled by patriarchal/religious rule, but damned if it wasn't heavy-handed feminist screeching about patriarchy.

I couldn't bring myself to watch the show, because, current day, I figured it would be a cherry-picked disaster of political correctness and blathering about Trump.
 
It’s how middle age, white, suburbanite, out of shape women, picture areas in America that vote red.

They all believe people like me, are going to lift up their mommy belly, while I stare at their “Jaden is my king” tattoo which coincidentally sits mere inches from their “house huffle puff” tattoo

As if either of those things are nearly as bad as the smell, I’ll some how produce an erection, and proceed to fuck their beat to shit arbys sandwich looking failure of a vagina while my attractive wife holds them gently.

All so I can get their biological equivalent to a taco bell dumpster body pregnant.

Fucking madness.
 
Bnuny dijo:
Handmaid's Tale is porn. It's literally porn. Atwood wrote the entire thing with one hand in her pants.
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Elite Kipchak dijo:
I tried reading it and had to put it down. It's just straight up fetish content. which also explains why it's so popular. book girlies do love their smut.
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A lot of dystopian fanfics literature from that period were

>1984
>looks inside
>half of it is sex
>none of it advances the plot in any way

>Brave New World
>looks inside
>30% sex
>70% worldbuilding about the sex

>A Clockwork Orange
>looks inside
>50% smut
>50% moralfagging about the smut

>We
>looks inside
>very specific fetishes getting explored that have no reason to be in the story

It was a wider problem that affected the sci fi genre at-large at the time
 
Skitarii dijo:
>1984
>looks inside
>half of it is sex
>none of it advances the plot in any way
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I agree with but I'd argue that the sex in 1984 did advance the plot as it was a rebellion against the Party and society in general. Winston betraying Julia in room 101 would not have had the same impact if there was no forbidden sexual/romantic relationship. It also serves Orwell's statement that women are the best tools for the Party. Even when "resisting" the Party, Julia doesn't really care for real change, she just enjoys the thrill of doing something forbidden. both characters represent different follies when it comes to dealing with totalitarianism.
 
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