Crime The FBI Loses the Public

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Conservatives no longer trust the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Liberals—or more precisely progressives—no longer trust the local police. We have a problem.

The tension between too much domestic security and too little runs back to the country’s founding. It often finds its way to the Supreme Court in cases involving the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. Those debates can be intense, but ultimately the system adjusts.

What’s going on now is different. The U.S. is already amid a crisis of confidence in what we call our governing institutions. That word, governing, is taken for granted, but it took a long time for governing to become a fact of daily life. Consider the opposite of governing elsewhere—mayhem, chaos, anarchy.

We may be inching closer than we imagine to the opposite of governing. Urban crime, mindless and random killings, tent-city homelessness, parents shouting at school boards, and the images of an FBI raid on a former president’s home. Instead of adjusting, many are turning away from the institutions that provide the bedrock of domestic tranquility.

An NBC poll released a few weeks ago reported that the public’s positive view of the FBI is 37%. In late 2018, it was 52%. FBI Director Christopher Wray can sit before Congress placidly explaining away Republican discomfort with his agency all he wants, but it looks to me as if his organization is in the red zone. Among Republicans, support for the FBI is . . . 17%. No matter the politics, that’s not good.

There has been a lot of violent crime in the news lately, which has made me think less about the partisan divides here than about what the cops on the beat, or line FBI agents, actually do. What they normally do, as the saying goes, is keep the peace. But that peace requires their willingness to do things most of us would never consider, or pay a price that for many is too high. So we hope the cops will continue doing it for us. But what if they won’t?

Traffic stops were once routine. Not so much lately. Last weekend in Fargo, N.D., a traffic stop got two police officers critically wounded by a shooter and one killed. The dead cop was 23, a former National Guardsman who had served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Years ago I put a marker in a novel by the great crime writer Raymond Chandler. A veteran police lieutenant describes the daily reality. “It’s like this with us,” he says. “We spend our lives turning over dirty underwear and sniffing rotten teeth. We go up dark stairways to get a gun punk with a skinful of hop and sometimes we don’t get all the way up, and our wives wait dinner that night and all the other nights. We don’t come home anymore. And nights we do come home, we come home so goddamn tired we can’t eat or sleep or even read the lies the papers print about us.”

In the past three years, some 1,000 cops have resigned or retired early from the Los Angeles police force. The New York Post reports that about 1,400 NYPD cops are expected to resign this year before reaching retirement age. A study by the Police Executive Research Forum found 50% more resignations nationally last year than in 2019.

Much of this flight followed George Floyd’s killing in May 2020 in Minneapolis, which led to a massive collapse of trust between many local authorities and their police forces. The debate over policing, however valid, elevated the formerly innocuous defund-the-police movement. A perfect storm of anticop sentiment put populations in many Northern cities at risk. We are all at risk.

The Nobel laureate novelist V.S. Naipaul spent a lifetime writing about the importance of maintaining a line between civilized life and what he termed “the bush.” In an interview, he defined the bush as “the breakdown of institutions, of the contract between man and man. It is theft, corruption, racist incitement.”

The point here is that Naipaul’s notion of institutional collapse can happen and at a very high price. In El Salvador, ravaged for years by gangs, the government has restored peace with a police crackdown unimaginable anywhere in the U.S. It has overwhelming public support there.

Institutional disintegration can happen when two sides talk past each other for so long that the original stakes or issues become forgotten. One had the feeling that happened last week between Mr. Wray and his Republican questioners.

He wanted to talk about fentanyl gangs, crimes against children and Chinese cybercriminals. And he should. But he seemed utterly uninterested in the concerns conservatives have about the FBI’s involvement in free-speech suppression on social-media platforms, as described in a recent ruling by federal judge Terry Doughty.

Mr. Wray may think the FBI is too big and important to go the way of the disintegrating Los Angeles Police Department. Don’t bet on it.

Yeah, that's what happens when the highest authorities in the land valorize criminals and criminalize normal people.
 
Because FBI went from stopping crime to become glorified attack dogs of the state. There's a reason why 'glow in the dark' is a popular term.
 
You know, twenty years ago, there were a lot of FBI cop shows like X-Files and Criminal Minds and now they're unwatchable because now I think they were FBI PR shows this entire time.
I can believe that the one guy at the FBI trying to do some investigating is confined to the basement and assigned a handler.
 
Like I said in another thread, if they can't get any recruits for the Army/Navy/Air Force, what chance is there for the feds?
If you look for tech jobs on sites like Indeed, chances are the first position you'll find is the FBI. A lot of people take those jobs as a resume builder so they can hop on over to the private sector.
 
I wouldn’t have problems with the FBI if they treated Hillary and Trump the same.
Even before Trump's election and St. George Floyd, progressive propaganda was seeping into law enforcement shows during the 2000s and 2010s. Since it has been mentioned, let's use NCIS for example. That show has done not all Muslims want to kill Jews and infidels, queers just want the same rights as everyone else, and Americans who want their tax dollars to be spent on defending their own country are domestic terrorists (who are also white). As the key demo, boomers, dies off, I doubt the other generations will keep these show going with how pozzed they've become.
It’s why I stopped watching crime shows. It became blatant propaganda.
 
Regular reminder that the government takes your money under threat of violence, then uses it to lie to you and surveil you. And if you don't believe their lies or they don't like what they see, they will use more violence to bring you into compliance or kill you. This is how it feels to be free.
 
Isn't there some law or TV broadcast rule that prohibits depicting the Alphabet Agencies in a negative light?

Edit: maybe it's not that (it'd be blatantly unconstitutional, for what that's worth). Maybe more like they use consulting to manage their brand image?
thats a dod rule. they refuse to lend dod resources for films that make them look bad. millions of dollars in savings gone, and you have to look at shitty 3d renders during thr film.

some one here posted a doc about it "theatres of war"
 
The feds pay better and don't have a dogshit reputation. Nobody's talking about getting raped or sleeping with black mold at Quantico.
Pretty much. There's also the perk of being able to wave an FBI badge around at people and generally throw your weight around when talking to normies.

And a lot of employees are there just long enough to get approved for classified/top secret security clearance. Then they bail and work a private sector job that needs those clearances.
 
It’s why I stopped watching crime shows. It became blatant propaganda.
Always has been, going back decades. Law and Order, CSI, the myriad spin offs of both... always selling the fantasy that dogged and clever police work always leads to Getting Their Man. It's a propaganda tool waving a finger in your face saying "don't be bad, you'll get caught."

They certainly don't want you to know the truth: if they don't luck into catching a criminal at the scene, then they just hope somebody talks.
 
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Only good glow nigger is a fictional glow nigger.
 
The FBI did it to themselves.

Have said it before, bears repeating. Should you ever go to trial for a Federal crime, something where the FBI has investigated/participated, part of your defense could be that you were targeted by the FBI for political reasons. May well be enough to get the jury to find you not guilty. You supposedly need to be found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. This defense strategy introduces doubt. Suggest some may have already used this tactic, too good not to use.
 
Always has been, going back decades. Law and Order, CSI, the myriad spin offs of both... always selling the fantasy that dogged and clever police work always leads to Getting Their Man. It's a propaganda tool waving a finger in your face saying "don't be bad, you'll get caught."

They certainly don't want you to know the truth: if they don't luck into catching a criminal at the scene, then they just hope somebody talks.
And if no one talks, they'll just grab whoever they can, throw them at a court, and give them a plea deal with a threat of charge-stacking if they want a proper trial.

I hate judges, I hate prosecutors, I hate cops, and I hate feds. Government is nothing but a mafia, cops and feds are their enforcers, their thugs, and taxes are nothing but a protection racket.
 
It's more an unspoken rule, that if you want some military vehicles or other things you gotta portray the military or that org in a positive light or else you won't ever get the loaner vehicles again.

I know the armed forces have had authority over scripts in exchange for providing material support for movies. This has been going on for decades.

I'm guessing the Alphabet Agencies have people in place that serve the same purpose without being flashy about it.

thats a dod rule. they refuse to lend dod resources for films that make them look bad. millions of dollars in savings gone, and you have to look at shitty 3d renders during thr film.

some one here posted a doc about it "theatres of war"
This is all why the music industry is no longer allowed to film on ships. Cher humping a 16in barrel on USS Missouri wearing next to nothing ruined it for the rest of industry.
 
The FBI was always intended to serve as an American KGB and it has finally found it's purpose, prove me wrong.
 
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