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Conservatives no longer trust the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Liberals—or more precisely progressives—no longer trust the local police. We have a problem.

The tension between too much domestic security and too little runs back to the country’s founding. It often finds its way to the Supreme Court in cases involving the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. Those debates can be intense, but ultimately the system adjusts.

What’s going on now is different. The U.S. is already amid a crisis of confidence in what we call our governing institutions. That word, governing, is taken for granted, but it took a long time for governing to become a fact of daily life. Consider the opposite of governing elsewhere—mayhem, chaos, anarchy.

We may be inching closer than we imagine to the opposite of governing. Urban crime, mindless and random killings, tent-city homelessness, parents shouting at school boards, and the images of an FBI raid on a former president’s home. Instead of adjusting, many are turning away from the institutions that provide the bedrock of domestic tranquility.

An NBC poll released a few weeks ago reported that the public’s positive view of the FBI is 37%. In late 2018, it was 52%. FBI Director Christopher Wray can sit before Congress placidly explaining away Republican discomfort with his agency all he wants, but it looks to me as if his organization is in the red zone. Among Republicans, support for the FBI is . . . 17%. No matter the politics, that’s not good.

There has been a lot of violent crime in the news lately, which has made me think less about the partisan divides here than about what the cops on the beat, or line FBI agents, actually do. What they normally do, as the saying goes, is keep the peace. But that peace requires their willingness to do things most of us would never consider, or pay a price that for many is too high. So we hope the cops will continue doing it for us. But what if they won’t?

Traffic stops were once routine. Not so much lately. Last weekend in Fargo, N.D., a traffic stop got two police officers critically wounded by a shooter and one killed. The dead cop was 23, a former National Guardsman who had served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Years ago I put a marker in a novel by the great crime writer Raymond Chandler. A veteran police lieutenant describes the daily reality. “It’s like this with us,” he says. “We spend our lives turning over dirty underwear and sniffing rotten teeth. We go up dark stairways to get a gun punk with a skinful of hop and sometimes we don’t get all the way up, and our wives wait dinner that night and all the other nights. We don’t come home anymore. And nights we do come home, we come home so goddamn tired we can’t eat or sleep or even read the lies the papers print about us.”

In the past three years, some 1,000 cops have resigned or retired early from the Los Angeles police force. The New York Post reports that about 1,400 NYPD cops are expected to resign this year before reaching retirement age. A study by the Police Executive Research Forum found 50% more resignations nationally last year than in 2019.

Much of this flight followed George Floyd’s killing in May 2020 in Minneapolis, which led to a massive collapse of trust between many local authorities and their police forces. The debate over policing, however valid, elevated the formerly innocuous defund-the-police movement. A perfect storm of anticop sentiment put populations in many Northern cities at risk. We are all at risk.

The Nobel laureate novelist V.S. Naipaul spent a lifetime writing about the importance of maintaining a line between civilized life and what he termed “the bush.” In an interview, he defined the bush as “the breakdown of institutions, of the contract between man and man. It is theft, corruption, racist incitement.”

The point here is that Naipaul’s notion of institutional collapse can happen and at a very high price. In El Salvador, ravaged for years by gangs, the government has restored peace with a police crackdown unimaginable anywhere in the U.S. It has overwhelming public support there.

Institutional disintegration can happen when two sides talk past each other for so long that the original stakes or issues become forgotten. One had the feeling that happened last week between Mr. Wray and his Republican questioners.

He wanted to talk about fentanyl gangs, crimes against children and Chinese cybercriminals. And he should. But he seemed utterly uninterested in the concerns conservatives have about the FBI’s involvement in free-speech suppression on social-media platforms, as described in a recent ruling by federal judge Terry Doughty.

Mr. Wray may think the FBI is too big and important to go the way of the disintegrating Los Angeles Police Department. Don’t bet on it.

Yeah, that's what happens when the highest authorities in the land valorize criminals and criminalize normal people.
 
If the fbi does disintegrate then good riddens, and if not it will continue to be a cancer until it finally does or the government fundamentally changes to the role it was supposed to take on, the citizen's disrespected bitch
 
Among Republicans, support for the FBI is . . . 17%. No matter the politics, that’s not good.
The FBI forgot to swear in Hilldawg when questioning her, allowed her to destroy evidence, found SCIF/SAP shit on her unsecured home server, refused to bring charges, and a host of other issues... but you should totally trust them guys. This was only a small hiccup in judgement, they're really good people, honest...
 
We have over a million classified documents. I could understand a thousand over the century, but a million? How much are they going to withhold from the public while they cry about lacking public trust?
 
You know, twenty years ago, there were a lot of FBI cop shows like X-Files and Criminal Minds and now they're unwatchable because now I think they were FBI PR shows this entire time.
Most media is. Not gonna get into it, but our entire Air Wing got lined up and spend all day getting questioned by NCIS. I'm near the front of the line, dude comes out one of the rooms; "Man, I thought they were cool, the show lied man." NCIS, JAG, whatever else, all PR.
 
You know, twenty years ago, there were a lot of FBI cop shows like X-Files and Criminal Minds and now they're unwatchable because now I think they were FBI PR shows this entire time.
Most media is. Not gonna get into it, but our entire Air Wing got lined up and spend all day getting questioned by NCIS. I'm near the front of the line, dude comes out one of the rooms; "Man, I thought they were cool, the show lied man." NCIS, JAG, whatever else, all PR.
Isn't there some law or TV broadcast rule that prohibits depicting the Alphabet Agencies in a negative light?

Edit: maybe it's not that (it'd be blatantly unconstitutional, for what that's worth). Maybe more like they use consulting to manage their brand image?
 
Conservatives no longer trust the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Liberals—or more precisely progressives—no longer trust the local police. We have a problem.
There are very good reasons not to trust the FBI. They have been caught doing things they should not do. They refuse to answer questions by hiding behind a policy of not commenting on open investigations which is not a protection afforded by the Constitution it is just a dodge and really congress is under no obligation to accept that response as far as I can see. It would be nice to see contempt charges for the next fed that tries to hide behind that excuse but we likely never will see such an action taken.

I do not think every FBI agent is corrupt but I guarantee every FBI agent knows another agent who is corrupt and that makes them part of the problem. The Hannity faggotry of saying, "The rank and file are fine" is bullshit. The FBI needs to be defunded. As I have said dozens of times on here state level equivalents exist in every state and are more than capable of handling the work. If they are not increase their resources. The federal government does not need twenty law enforcement agencies...that we know of.

Now for the police: Are there issues with police that should make people somewhat distrustful? Yes but there is a huge difference and here it is: The police are not some unified organization. There is not one police mega-chief or collective leadership structure.

The LAPD is not Suburbia PD. There is not one police. One could argue certain police departments are corrupt while others are not.

You can have police at one department be unaware of corruption in another department.

Having said that much of the left's claims about police are fiction anyway. There is no black hunt going on. There is no nationwide problem with excessive police violence.

Edit for: I meant to add that there are a lot of regions that seem to have a serious issue with civil forfeiture and it would be nice to see some legal reforms to curb the problem. Still that is not a problem you can pin on every single police department or some grand conspiracy anymore than you can view the concept of the speed trap as a grand police scheme.
The debate over policing, however valid, elevated the formerly innocuous defund-the-police movement.
It was never innocuous and the fact that this person thinks it was says more than the nothing he wrote for WSJ in this article.
 
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The FBI has spent too much time smashing eggs in the nest and now they're getting the results of that kind of short sighted policy. Whenever the FBI is coming under heat for their excesses and just plain uselessness to the service of law and order, they've had some rabbit to pull out of the hat. Organized crime is running unchecked and with tacit approval from Mary Hoover? Well, here's the Rosenbaums! Everyone's sick of the FBI ginning up profiles and provocateur actions against demonstrators? Watch as Your FBI, every weekday at 6, busts up another Ku Klux Klavern! Sick of hearing about the feds busting into people's lives guns blazing? Good news, they're hot on the trail of Al Queda!

The FBI falls in and out of public favor fairly regularly, but they've overplayed their hand recently in my opinion. No one's going to be all smiles and pats on the back for the poor beleagured fed after they've busted yet another Proud/Boogaloo Boy ring up; throwing a bunch of V for Vendetta and skull facemasks on the evidence table and perp walking a bunch of computer nerds is exciting to no one, but they're so shit scared of a more genuine and powerful threat picking up genuine momentum that they'll never let some dissident group grow into something with a compelling media narrative. Their best hope is that the tide turns and the media gins up full national outrage over antifa/BLM/whatever else so they can do some highly public round ups, some overdramatized undercover operations, and all their usual bullshit for a triumphant return to respectability.
 
An NBC poll released a few weeks ago reported that the public’s positive view of the FBI is 37%. In late 2018, it was 52%. FBI Director Christopher Wray can sit before Congress placidly explaining away Republican discomfort with his agency all he wants, but it looks to me as if his organization is in the red zone. Among Republicans, support for the FBI is . . . 17%. No matter the politics, that’s not good.
Trust for CIA niggers being 57% for non-Republicans is honestly more concerning than Republican support being at 17%.
(17*0.5)+(x*0.5)=37
0.5(17+x)=37
17+x=74
x=57
 
You know, twenty years ago, there were a lot of FBI cop shows like X-Files and Criminal Minds and now they're unwatchable because now I think they were FBI PR shows this entire time.
I'm not sure i'd call the xfiles an FBI PR show at all. For the most part it made the FBI itself hostile, incompetent and sometimes actively colluding with the conspiracy to enslave the planet
 
In El Salvador, ravaged for years by gangs, the government has restored peace with a police crackdown unimaginable anywhere in the U.S. It has overwhelming public support there.
*Judge Dread posting here*
I've joked about it before but it's likely the long term future for the US and UK. I suspect we've a couple of decades or more but it's almost certainly incoming. Question is how much execution leeway they get given.
 
We may be inching closer than we imagine to the opposite of governing. Urban crime, mindless and random killings, tent-city homelessness, parents shouting at school boards, and the images of an FBI raid on a former president’s home. Instead of adjusting, many are turning away from the institutions that provide the bedrock of domestic tranquility.

Why is the Wall Street Journal lumping this one in with the rest of them? When I think about the opposite of governing, parents shutting down tranny and fag grooming doesn't come to mind. What a pathetic rag.
 
As I have said dozens of times on here state level equivalents exist in every state and are more than capable of handling the work.
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Isn't there some law or TV broadcast rule that prohibits depicting the Alphabet Agencies in a negative light?

Edit: maybe it's not that (it'd be blatantly unconstitutional, for what that's worth). Maybe more like they use consulting to manage their brand image?

It's more an unspoken rule, that if you want some military vehicles or other things you gotta portray the military or that org in a positive light or else you won't ever get the loaner vehicles again.
 
Isn't there some law or TV broadcast rule that prohibits depicting the Alphabet Agencies in a negative light?

Edit: maybe it's not that (it'd be blatantly unconstitutional, for what that's worth). Maybe more like they use consulting to manage their brand image?
There is, and they get away with it by making it not a free speech issue, but a copyright issue. If they don't like your content, you no longer have permission to use the FBI logos, which is illegal since it is copyrighted under a specific law that protects government logos from "misuse." To my knowledge, the FBI is the most protective about this since they've always had a huge role in producing propaganda starting with an old show from the 60s called "The F.B.I." which J. Edgar Hoover and his top deputies went over every script. That's why people think the FBI is some ultra-elite super-police force who can take out even the most hardcore and brilliant crooks and terrorists, since the FBI has put that message in countless movies, TV shows, documentaries, etc.
 
There is, and they get away with it by making it not a free speech issue, but a copyright issue. If they don't like your content, you no longer have permission to use the FBI logos, which is illegal since it is copyrighted under a specific law that protects government logos from "misuse." To my knowledge, the FBI is the most protective about this since they've always had a huge role in producing propaganda starting with an old show from the 60s called "The F.B.I." which J. Edgar Hoover and his top deputies went over every script. That's why people think the FBI is some ultra-elite super-police force who can take out even the most hardcore and brilliant crooks and terrorists, since the FBI has put that message in countless movies, TV shows, documentaries, etc.
Makes sense. An FBI agent is less like a federal-level beat cop, and more like a lawyer with a badge and a gun.
 
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