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Yeah I am aware of the successful runs with Spider-Man married. He has had at least 2 Spider-girl daughters, in alternate universes and successful marriages, like in ultimate Spider-Man 2 most recently. People are starved for that.

But here's the thing:

"Ending" doesn't mean "no more new content ever". Ending things means accepting change.

If you give Spiderman a family, then his children will also one day grow up, Peter will get older. Peter one day will take care of a baby, then a child, then a teen, then an adult, change things, or you get once again trapped in a loop.And you know what, change is not a bad thing.

Trouble is comic writers want Peter trapped in a perpetual state of childhood.

They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to pretend there is an ongoing narrative, but in reality just like Archie comics, only deliver interchangeable stories were nothing really changes, and nothing ever progress. And gimmicks ( for example killing Alfred) just exist to give the illusion of change.
I think that it is worth mentioning that such a stagnant story risks becoming "Grimderp" as the misfortune never ends. We are deep into the "8 deadly words" in mainstream comics.
 
Yeah I am aware of the successful runs with Spider-Man married. He has had at least 2 Spider-girl daughters, in alternate universes and successful marriages, like in ultimate Spider-Man 2 most recently. People are starved for that.

But here's the thing:

"Ending" doesn't mean "no more new content ever". Ending things means accepting change.

If you give Spiderman a family, then his children will also one day grow up, Peter will get older. Peter one day will take care of a baby, then a child, then a teen, then an adult. Change things, or you get once again trapped in a loop.And you know what, change is not a bad thing.

Trouble is comic writers want Peter trapped in a perpetual state of childhood.

They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to pretend there is an ongoing narrative, but in reality just like Archie comics, only deliver interchangeable stories were nothing really changes, and nothing ever progresses. And gimmicks ( for example killing Alfred) just exist to give the illusion of change.

Spider-Man is the character who got me into comics but the story of Mayday becoming Spider-Girl is one of my favorites.

I want to see middle age Peter working at the crime lab, it was perfect.
 
I hear you. I was a Wally West fan.
Me too bro bringing back Barry Allen was a mistake, Wally is infinitely better
The backlash was from fans of every age and it caught them off-guard. They thought that it would eventually go away but it never did
Also Mary Jane is for some reason vehemently hated by editorial. They do not like that everyone accepts her as Spider-man’s main love interest and for some reason they refuse to let Peter and Mary Jane marry (Peter can still have shitty luck and be married to her)

I think another problem is that literally no one is capable of dying. You kill off a character and then another writer comes in and brings them back, stakes be damned! It really harms your enjoyment when you know everything is going to be reset anyway. There’s so many ways to bring them back too, they can be a clone, or you can time travel, or make a serum, or magic bullshit.
 
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is anyone surprised?
By the creativity.

Me too bro bringing back Barry Allen was a mistake, Wally is infinitely better
That too but I am talking about the time they turned him into a serial killer.

Also Mary Jane is for some reason vehemently hated by editorial. They do not like that everyone accepts her as Spider-man’s main love interest and for some reason they refuse to let Peter and Mary Jane marry (Peter can still have shitty luck and be married to her)
They had the option to choose who Peter was to be with after Gwen. Why didn't they choose someone they liked?

I think another problem is that literally no one is capable of dying. You kill off a character and then another writer comes in and brings them back, stakes be damned! It really harms your enjoyment when you know everything is going to be reset anyway. There’s so many ways to bring them back too, they can be a clone, or you can time travel, or make a serum, or magic bullshit.
And when they do kill off characters, it is for the worst. Captain Marvel was the last person to get a respectful death that stuck in comics.
 
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