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The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer
I do enjoy slice of life that doesnt overstay its welcome and I watched one or two more and it really dawned on me just how much "fans" Jax and "Goose" Jax differ in terms of characterization. I do tend to notice this quite a lot from these sort of things. In some cases, like say, Cult of the Lamb where most characters have rather minimal characterization, so it makes sense fans fill in the gaps but with things like Digital Circus? The characters are more complex in comparison so what gives? I think it is because fans have the expectation that Jax has more depth than he actually does have, the truth being that the actual OG charactes are actually rather milquetoast. You can even see that in Hazbin Hotel too.
Kind of sad, really. In the end, the fans gaslight themselves that the characters and setting are better than they actually are.
It's interesting how these two statements by Cooper contradict each other.
This one is from 2024:
And this one is from 2026:
Either Cooper was given freedom and chose to make only 9 episodes, or Glitch limited Cooper to making only 9 episodes. Knowing that Cooper loves to lie makes this situation much more confusing.
Every time I read something from Goosewanks, he says he thought the trans symbolism was obvious. It sounds like he's been hugboxed into oblivion by other troons and assumes EVERYONE knows trans symbolism. Writing for a small audience instead of a general one.
Either Cooper was given freedom and chose to make only 9 episodes, or Glitch limited Cooper to making only 9 episodes. Knowing that Cooper loves to lie makes this situation much more confusing.
It sounds like goose is very upset with the backlash he's got and trying to imply it's glitch's fault for not giving him a entire writer team so he wouldn't "get crushed under a million of expectations".
If i had to guess, goose was given ambiguous freedom at first, but then Glitch grew up too big too fast and they promised 4 different IPs before TADC was over. Kevin and luke probably told cooper that they ain't drawing his tranny bunny forever or else none of the other shows are coming out. (Not out of good will necessarily, they might consider tadc disposable at this point).
But while i'd love to blame it all goose, it does sound like glitch gave him too much responsibility. He should never been responsible for multiple departments and goose clearly regrets it. Glitch's idea of respecting the creator vision is more akin to letting them handle everything unchecked, either out of lazyness or cheapness.
That said, it's funny to see the "greatest indie animator" currently straight up admit that being the only writer and given all this creative freedom was awful and he regrets it.
It's also interesting for him to say "I wasn't graced with episodes, time and stamina", implying that Glitch forced him to end tadc earlier than intended and crunch it to release episodes faster. Perhaps not the best thing to say about the dream indie studio publically.
Cooper is already regretting giving the troon parade fuel for the fire. I guess that post-nut clarity hits hard even when you don't like having a dick.
This plus the merch making no reference to she-jax other than the maid costume meme makes me think Glitch privately expressed some less than positive sentiments to Gooseworx about the transgender Jax "confirmation".
Either Cooper was given freedom and chose to make only 9 episodes, or Glitch limited Cooper to making only 9 episodes. Knowing that Cooper loves to lie makes this situation much more confusing.
The way I see it is that Goose was given full creative freedom to have the show be as long as he wants, so he chose 9 episodes under the false assumption that he could wrap up the entire story in that time. Glitch, hearing Goose only wants 9 episodes allocated their resources for producing that many episodes.
Halfway into the show, Goose realized "Whoops, I guess 9 episodes isn't enough to flesh out 7 characters, explain the lore of the show AND have my toxic self insert trans child get her big moment." But by that time, since Glitch already locked in the planned amount of funds, manpower and production time they were going to give Goose, there was no way to give Digital Circus more than 9 episodes without cutting into the production plans for Gaslight District, Knights and so on. Hence the compromise to make episode 9 longer instead.
I think zooble is almost an interesting character, but her voice is annoying, she's a nigger IRL and the way she dislikes her avatar as a heavy handed troon metaphor is kind of bad.
Like, I don't hate the idea of a character hating their bodoes, I just think they should have done more with that, especially since of how later episodes shows how useful the swappable body parts thing is.
Fuck yeah, you beat me to it. I was already planning on making a post talking about that, now here I go.
Whiny Bitch Syndrome:
Zooble genuinely pisses me off with how much of a whiny bitch she is, far more any of the other whiny bitch characters [and that's saying something]. Her whininess is completely undeserved, and she goes out of her way to make her own situation far more miserable than it needs to be.
We already know she hates her own body. But...
>She can arrange her parts in any configuration she wants.
>Not only that, it's established that she has a big box with a huge variety of INFINITE spare parts.
Considering that, why does she go out of her way to plug her limbs in the most mismatched, inconvenient way possible?
[I know I made this point already in a previous post but I must reiterate]
Like for fuck's sake, why do you always NEED to have that single wing in your upper right slot? If you hate how mismatched you are, why not just ditch that thing and pop your right arm in there?
For that matter, why do you always ensure that your legs are so uneven that you always walk with a limp? Is it that hard to just find some legs that will match each other close enough for you to walk comfortably? I just don't get it.
I do appreciate that she does technically develop over the course of the show, she does technically learn how to accept her own body and use her abilities to her advantage [like in Ep6]
But......why did she take so fucking long to accept it in the first place? I don't know how long she was in the Circus before Pomni came along, but it had to be at least a few months up to a year. Within that time, shouldn't Zooble have already gotten used to her predicament? If she had time to get accustomed to her modular body and experiment with it, shouldn't she have already accepted it by the time the show starts? It just feels underwhelming.
Exactly! If I were in a digital world and I could take myself apart like a lego, I would experiment with my new ability so I can see what kind of cool stuff I can do. Zooble really is such a giant Debby Downer, she's the absolute last person who should've gotten such a fun gimmick.
I actually kind of agreed with Jax's speech in Episode 6 about being a cartoon character, he made a good point which aged even better with the SOMA reveal. If you're stuck in a VR cartoon world where you can do anything you want, why NOT lean into it? Why NOT have fun with it? It sucks that you can't return to the real world, but on the plus side you don't need to worry about anything else!
Zooble is actually kind of OP ngl
Goose wants everyone to think that Zooble's modularity is so horrible and so tragic like Benny, when in reality it gives her the biggest advantage over all the other characters. She has a box of infinite spare parts which she can attach and link up with, there's a ton of cool shit she can do such as holding four guns at once or doing that limb chain in the finale.
None of the other character [aside from Cain] have any real special abilities that are actually useful for anything - the exception is Kinger detaching his eye to look around corners, but that's it.
We have a CLEAR BALANCING ISSUE HERE PEOPLE!!!!! The Power Scale is OUT OF WHACK and that's NO GOOD.
Meanwhile, Benny had goddamn Super Arthritis so bad that he couldn't even bite into a fruit without making his mouth bleed. [Okay he was able to some cool monkey gymnastics in the book, but the video game explores him more].
Compared to Benny, Zooble has it fucking easy! Once more, I must reiterate that the bitch has absolutely no reason to be complaining whatsoever. Fucking hell, Zooble, you should be GRATEFUL to be a Lego person instead of a retarded cripple monkey.
Untapped Horror Potential:
Zooble's modularity could actually work well for horror if it were explored properly. I can easily imagine like a billion different ways that you can torture Zooble by using her detachable parts against her. Hell, I'd argue it's easily one of the most exploitable traits a cartoon character can ever have.
T O T A L Z O O B L E T O R T U R E
> Roundhouse kick Zooble's head into the abyss.
> Lock all of Zooble's parts into a hundred separate chests, then throw them in the ocean.
> Chop Zooble's parts into a million different pieces with a katana, making them difficult to reassemble without superglue.
> Rearrange all of Zooble's parts on her body [legs where arms should be, eyes on torso, etc], then superglue them in place.
> Pull out Zooble's eyes and crush them under your boot.
> Toss Zooble's eyeless head into the desert in the middle of nowhere.
> Knock off Zooble's head and slot another character's head onto her body - this will sever any remote control she has with her own body, rendering her head completely helpless.
> Stuff Zooble's head into a sewage pipe.
> Shut Zooble's head inside a cage full of hungry rats.
> Drop all of Zooble's parts into seperate vats of hot boiling oil.
> Beat Zooble to death with her own limbs.
> Curbstomp Zooble's head on the sidewalk.
...and much more!
Gooseworx barely does anything crazy to torture Zooble, the worst thing that happens to Zooble is her head getting eaten by the Gloink Queen in the Pilot totally a fetish btw lol
Zooble is obviously Goose's super-cool epic pet character [the most self-insert in a cast full of self-inserts], we all know that's why Goose doesn't want Zooble to be put in any real danger the Gloink vore doesn't count cause we all know Goose gets off on that nasty shit.
Aside from all the horrific torture methods I just described, I also think that Zooble's modularity just doesn't go far enough on it's own. It's mostly just limb detachment with the occasional head detachment, you never see her swapping out her torso and changing her whole body in any substantial, drastic way - the sole exception is when she became a flamingo in the Ep5 poacher game, but that's just a brief Cain-induced transformation.
Look at these Zolo toys here [the inspiration for Zooble's design]
There is a TON of potential for interesting creative part-swapping on display here, huge variety of blocks you can use to make all sorts of crazy creatures and shapes.
With this in mind, you can really take advantage of Zooble's gimmick and re-assemble her into a variety of different forms, such as a helicopter that can fly, or a chair that can mind-rape Chibi Reviews.
Alternatively, another possible solution to make Zooble more vulnerable would be to just remove the Zooble Box entirely - once Zooble loses a part, she can never get it back. This turns her detachable limbs into a full handicap, as her parts can easily pop off and become lost forever.
I personally think this option would necessitate a change in personality for Zooble. She would have to be written as someone who's extremely paranoid and cautious rather than "the cool snarky grumpy one who hates herself", because now every single action is way more risky and dangerous for her to take. It would add a lot of tension to action/peril scenes, where she has to make tough decisions that could result in her losing parts. Maybe she develops as a person and learns how to be more brave and selfless...or maybe she just ends up losing all her parts despite her efforts to stay safe.
CONCLUSION:
Zooble is a bitchy gay nigga who sucks and I don't like her. She easily loses out to the fucking GOAT Mr. Potato Head, who mogs her every day of the week.
Don’t you hate when people just “abstract” without warning in real life? Boy do I hate when people just randomly become a giant black worm thing with many eyes!
Oh wait no that doesn’t happen in real life. It’s just a fantasy Madoka ripoff thing that only happens in fantasy land. Oh I get it. Is it supposed to be like suicide then? Since when can you keep people that killed the selves as mindless pets, and “enter their mindscapes?”, and have hope to “return them back to normal.” It’s not the same thing.
Don’t you hate when people just “abstract” without warning in real life? Boy do I hate when people just randomly become a giant black worm thing with many eyes!
Oh wait no that doesn’t happen in real life. It’s just a fantasy Madoka ripoff thing that only happens in fantasy land. Oh I get it. Is it supposed to be like suicide then? Since when can you keep people that killed the selves as mindless pets, and “enter their mindscapes?”, and have hope to “return them back to normal.” It’s not the same thing.
A lot of this is clear retroactive shit meant to turn this into hazbin tier "EVERYBODY ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT FUCKING EACH OTHER AND ARE GAY AND TRANS AND-" IT'S LAME! It was lame when Homestuck did it in the shitty outsourced sequel and spinoff material, it was lame when Every vivziepop cartoon that got big undercut it's initial premise for it, it's still fucking lame somehow when the series is fucking OVER and you're trying to retroactively explain shit that literally was not there lmao. You wanna do an "adult series" and manage to cover "adult themes" but hen go "oooH NO AKSUALLY THEY JUST WANNA FUCK ALL THE TIME AND ARE ALL LESBIANS AND TRANS LESBIANS AND ONE WANTS TO GET CUCKED AND BAD DA BA DA BA"
God it's just gonna be like this for media forever now huh? Adult just means SEX ALL THE TIME AND NEVER PROGRESS CAUSE YOU NEED TO APPRECIATE HAVING A STATIC LIFE OR SOMETHING
"ohhh but abstraction is suicide so it's do deep and was always planned as suicide" OK EXPLAIN SCRATCH WHO'S ENTIRE MENTION/BACKSTORY IS THAT WHILE HIM AND EVERYONE ELSE WERE HOOKED UP TO THE VR GAME CAINE FUCKED WITH HIS BRAIN TO TRY AND GET THE TUMOR OUT WHICH CAUSED HIM TO ABSTRACT. That's not very suicidey or brain scanny! A digital copy of someone wouldn't have a brain tumor you'd need to remove! We're supposed to ignore that and the earlier weird implication that caine caused kaufmo's abstraction to avoid him from going into the exit door going by the ratman scribblings in his room in episode 1 and caine literally saying that the kaufmo thing was in his own words "my fault" casually?
EDIT: It's weirder than that, he goes "what happened here? oh yeah. my doing!" and then cartoonishly feigns shock at kaufmo being abstracted, implying he was somehow responsible after kinger tells him.
Someone doesn't commit suicide while writing clear fucking warnings like this all over his walls including a giant picture of caine attacking him lmao.
Kaufmo didn't kill himself
T O T A L Z O O B L E T O R T U R E
> Roundhouse kick Zooble's head into the abyss.
> Lock all of Zooble's parts into a hundred separate chests, then throw them in the ocean.
> Chop Zooble's parts into a million different pieces with a katana, making them difficult to reassemble without superglue.
> Rearrange all of Zooble's parts on her body [legs where arms should be, eyes on torso, etc], then superglue them in place.
> Pull out Zooble's eyes and crush them under your boot.
> Toss Zooble's eyeless head into the desert in the middle of nowhere.
> Knock off Zooble's head and slot another character's head onto her body - this will sever any remote control she has with her own body, rendering her head completely helpless.
> Stuff Zooble's head into a sewage pipe.
> Shut Zooble's head inside a cage full of hungry rats.
> Drop all of Zooble's parts into seperate vats of hot boiling oil.
> Beat Zooble to death with her own limbs.
> Curbstomp Zooble's head on the sidewalk.
...and much more!
This is the kind of thing their merch store would have in one of those caine rng text blurbs telling you to buy more overpriced stuff if they had any backbone.
Don’t you hate when people just “abstract” without warning in real life? Boy do I hate when people just randomly become a giant black worm thing with many eyes!
Oh wait no that doesn’t happen in real life. It’s just a fantasy Madoka ripoff thing that only happens in fantasy land. Oh I get it. Is it supposed to be like suicide then? Since when can you keep people that killed the selves as mindless pets, and “enter their mindscapes?”, and have hope to “return them back to normal.” It’s not the same thing.
I get "the idea". House MD has a character suicide out of nowhere (the actor left the show to pursue other career) and house is in denial trying to "solve the mystery" but fail and has to accept reality. It's reminds you of how short and fragile life is and it's emotional yadayada.
Here suicide equals pibby glitch monster but even without that it's fail. It's not "abrupt" or "upsetting" like goose wanted.
Jax's abstraction/suicide was teased for multiple episodes and everyone in-universe expected it. Zooble even says "don't go walk away alone and abstract somewhere" and he does exactly that so it's hilarious. Bordering on parody.
It's also strange for them to be so upset when Jax was a complete asshole. It's fine to have some empathy and feel like you failed him but lets be real, he will not be missed. The circus is a better place without him. Yall should be missing Caine more than Jax.
I even said here that i assumed jax abstracted offscreen was simply for intentional anti climax shock value, which is a different issue but it's logical and works fine. Clearly i gave goose too much credit assuming he was being logical.
A lot of these q and A answers seem to directly just be haphazardly constantly claiming fan theory shit was the real trutht he whole time on top of the weird constant sex shit so yeah
Clould you imagine if we had more normal jax instead of the hyper realistic panic attack jax or compensating for feeling lonely by being edgy towards everyone jax?
You know, like this merch promo thing from before episode 9 here?
Also I'm surprised this clip calling him a freak and him just being kinda dumfounded hasn't been used in any criticisms of episode 9.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone more addicted to porn than trannies. Not addicted to sex, because they barely have it, but they are absolutely obsessed with shoving their fetishes into fucking EVERYTHING and calling it empowering.
In Episode 10, Jax returns as a ghost, has a tearful reunion with Kaufmo and Ribbit, and together the trio proceed to escape to the real world to wreak havoc on New York city by filling the sewers with pink goo that empowers supernatural activity using negative emotions as a conduit.
Ribbit stops in the first two minutes because she feels guilty when he doesn't fight back, but her mercy only makes Kaufmo angrier and he beats him twice as hard for the both of them. Resulting in a shot-for-shot recreation of this scene:
Something I've noticed lately is how the fandom will often refer to Ribbit as "they/them", but never Kaufmo. Interesting how it's always the female characters that are genderfluid until proven otherwise.
