The Air nomad genocide - In honor of the frankensteined corpse that is the avatar franchise

[Saturnalia-1918]

One thing that always bothered me about Whorra is how they turn Spirits into these genocidal maniacs and then expect us to cheer on Korra to open portals between the Spirit world and the regular Avatar world.

As the shitty Wan chronicles show, spirits are a bunch of jackasses who drove humanity to near extinction if not for the intervention of the Lion-Turtles. They are essentially a successful Fire Nation in all but name.

And due to how spirits work, all those jackass spirits who initially tried to kill off humanity are still around, as we see that idiotic lemur spirit friend of Wan is still around, so I guess a sequel can be how humanity is driven back to the Lion-Turtles because of Whorra.

 

[Jack Awful]

I don't consider anything after TLA canon

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I've repeated this like 50 times in this and the other avatar thread, but ALL AIR NOMADS ARE BENDERS. There are no non bending air nomads. They are unique in that regard, and it was confirmed by the creators.

To be fair, it really sounds like a retcon following some one pointing out the implication of the Air Nomads culture and the creators pulling shit to whitewash it. But it only creates a different implication that if you aren't spiritual enough your next generations lose their bending power, which should mean that the fire nation shouldn't have any benders after they completely destroyed their origins and made it a pure military thing.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

To be fair, it really sounds like a retcon following some one pointing out the implication of the Air Nomads culture and the creators pulling shit to whitewash it. But it only creates a different implication that if you aren't spiritual enough your next generations lose their bending power, which should mean that the fire nation shouldn't have any benders after they completely destroyed their origins and made it a pure military thing.

This is where the "Pockets of nomads" thing solves all the problems.

 

[DaBigBopper]

To be fair, it really sounds like a retcon following some one pointing out the implication of the Air Nomads culture and the creators pulling shit to whitewash it. But it only creates a different implication that if you aren't spiritual enough your next generations lose their bending power, which should mean that the fire nation shouldn't have any benders after they completely destroyed their origins and made it a pure military thing.

It's Western rich faggot spiritualism. Fire Nation is like Japanese Buddhists who constantly had wars because Buddhism has a school of thought that literally goes "Well, if it's gonna cause worldly attachment or cause bad shit we can then remove it within reason" and then you kill all other religions that can't fight back because they're flawed. (I prefer the Christian/ Jewish, your god is a demon or you're a noble pagan suffering in ignorance).

Or it brings into question if dragons are just a naturally dominant animal/ spirit being and firebending at it's heart is an act that expresses those thoughts and feelings. Air bending gets stronger the less you cling to the earth, earthbending the more regid you are, water bending is how well your people take to being genocided and your women shared, and firebending is effectively how passionate you are about cucking water benders and airbenders (they should've had some air benders hiding in the fire nation after their air bender women were given the BIG BURNING COCK, they could've feigned firebending by feeding existing flames.)

 

[Fireman Sam]

Just got done watching the last season of ATLA, all in all I found the entire show very fun and engaging, with perhaps the most complex and mature characters in any kids tv show, not to mention some great worldbuilding.

I have no intention on reading the comics or ever watching Korra. I know they retconned pretty much everything that grounded the original show in some sort of soft magic ruleset, and completely butcher everything that made the original show great, characters, worldbuilding, aesthetic, morals, etc. So armed with the non retconned knowledge I have, I would say that yea, it's feasible that the fire nation was able to completely wipe out the air nomads, doesn't have to be all on one day or even during the comet, but rather they dealt the devastating blow during the peak of their power, and did it in a way their targets could not have recovered from.

Aang escaped but almost drowned kind of, and the others didn't have the luxury of being the Avatar... So yea it is feasible that they all got rekt.
It wasn't a number of raids like in the southern water tribe, and it was clear that they weren't taking prisoners, put 2 and 2 together, they got absolutely 'air aced'! Get it? Because it sounds like erased and they're air nomads! That was a bit of goofy Sokka tier humor to prove I'm a loyal and true fan who didn't just stumble into this show because my girlfriend made me watch it or anything :^)

 

[Ted's of Beverly Hills]

One thing that always bothered me about Whorra is how they turn Spirits into these genocidal maniacs and then expect us to cheer on Korra to open portals between the Spirit world and the regular Avatar world.

As the shitty Wan chronicles show, spirits are a bunch of jackasses who drove humanity to near extinction if not for the intervention of the Lion-Turtles. They are essentially a successful Fire Nation in all but name.

And due to how spirits work, all those jackass spirits who initially tried to kill off humanity are still around, as we see that idiotic lemur spirit friend of Wan is still around, so I guess a sequel can be how humanity is driven back to the Lion-Turtles because of Whorra.

Art imitates life, or real-world shitlib politics I guess.

I have no intention on reading the comics or ever watching Korra. The tale has been told, they never should have marred its success with such shit. More =/ better

You have chosen wisely.

 

[Saturnalia-1918]

A theory that I've really enjoyed is that Air Nomad survivors successfully hid amongst the Sand Benders of the Earth Kingdom.

Sand Bender's full body coverings could hide any Air Nomad tattoos that exist, air bending could be a convincing fakery of Sand Bending if they stay exclusively towards running the Sand Sailers (or use their Air bending to push sand around and claim sand bending), and the Sand Benders seem to be rather nomadic, or at the very least highly mobile like the Air Nomads of old.

It could also be an ironic development, the surviving spiritual and pacifist Air Nomads of old have devolved into the raiders and bandits of the Sand Benders who are willing to sell an Air Bison to the highest bidder.

 

[Fireman Sam]

A theory that I've really enjoyed is that Air Nomad survivors successfully hid amongst the Sand Benders of the Earth Kingdom.

Sand Bender's full body coverings could hide any Air Nomad tattoos that exist, air bending could be a convincing fakery of Sand Bending if they stay exclusively towards running the Sand Sailers (or use their Air bending to push sand around and claim sand bending), and the Sand Benders seem to be rather nomadic, or at the very least highly mobile like the Air Nomads of old.

It could also be an ironic development, the surviving spiritual and pacifist Air Nomads of old have devolved into the raiders and bandits of the Sand Benders who are willing to sell an Air Bison to the highest bidder.

The only thing there is that when they steal our nigga Appa and claim to trade him off, and if they were air nomads they'd know exactly what a sky bison was and would very likely not have been so eager to capture him, or, if they were willing to stoop to such a low, at the least wouldn't be so inept at capturing one.

The theory could work if the group of bandits that took Appa just happened to not be air nomads but there were in fact air nomads hiding amongst them. Interesting little theory.
I'm like a decade or so late to the discussion lmao.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It's Western rich faggot spiritualism.

It always has been, but Avatar at least somewhat had shades of grey and expressive bending to make it have the illusion of depth. The problem with western views on Eastern religion is that it ignores every negative or politically incorrect aspect it had. The Ying and Yang in Whorra is probably the worst it ever got, but even in Avatar it was a nebulous aspect that can be summed as "balance is being good and peaceful and good is being balanced".

 

[Oilspill Battery]

lmao, E;R is retweeting memes from this thread

, water bending is how well your people take to being genocided and your women shared

The other jokes I get, but this one I don't, can you elaborate?

It's Western rich faggot spiritualism.

It always has been, but Avatar at least somewhat had shades of grey and expressive bending to make it have the illusion of depth. The problem with western views on Eastern religion is that it ignores every negative or politically incorrect aspect it had. The Ying and Yang in Whorra is probably the worst it ever got, but even in Avatar it was a nebulous aspect that can be summed as "balance is being good and peaceful and good is being balanced".

I elaborated on this earlier:

This is unironically one of the few examples of actual cultural misappropriation of an extant culture that's already facing unironic genocide.

The original avatar went out of its way to (at least attempt) to pay respect to the stuff it was drawing inspiration from with martial arts consultants and trying not to step on anyone's toes too hard. Korra dumbing down bending into boxing was already a downgrade but this is just egregious, Korra genuinely does not give a shit.

Like Vaatu and Raava. They are clearly supposed to be Yin and Yang, except the whole point of Yin and Yang is that that they are both balanced, Yang isn't good and Yin isn't evil, having an imbalance of either is bad and having a balance of both is good. Raava existing without Vaatu (according to the actual chinese phlisophy they're aping) is supposed to be just as catastrophic as Vaatu existing without Raava.

But even ontop of that, in actual chinese philosophy Yin represents darkness and femininity, while Yang represents light and masculinity. The writers were so desperate to have the evil dark spirit be male they just went "fuck it" and ignored that.

Last airbender is a loveletter to asiatic culture/mythology, korra is unironically cultural appropriration.

For people who bitch and moan about cultural appropriation all the time they sure don't seem to mind it when it serves the message.

Honestly I don't even care about the cultural appropriation/misappropriration that much, my issue is that the story was total dogshit ontop of it. Its not that they drew parts from asiatic to use as inspiration to make a good story, they drew parts only to mangle them for the sake of being progressive.

 

[DaBigBopper]

lmao, E;R is retweeting memes from this thread

The other jokes I get, but this one I don't, can you elaborate?

They're Native Americans/ Eskimos. Native Americans like the Water Tribes basically didn't give a shit about their own getting genocided until too late and Eskimos are into hotwifing due to inbreeding scares. You never heard of the term of Eskimo brothers?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Did the Fire Nation kill some Air Nomads? Undoubtedly. Would they be okay with a genocide? Sure, maybe. Did they do it? No way, logistically impossible. You mean to tell me Fire Nation attacked all the temples (some of which they couldn't reach (Western temple, for example, has a 3 thousand foot distance between it and the ground, Northern temple could only be traversed by Air Benders ), and all of them at completely different points in the world), all the Water Tribes, and the Earth Kingdom at the same time, and won at all fronts? I don't buy it. Air Nomad "Genocide" is just Fire Nation propaganda.

 

[Kharash]

lmao, E;R is retweeting memes from this thread

To be fair Holocaust denier Azula has been making the rounds on 4chan for a while.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

To be fair Holocaust denier Azula has been making the rounds on 4chan for a while.

My girl can't be more based.
Holocaust denier, homosexual pursuiter (if she follows Sozin's will).
What's next? Communist hater? I hope so.

 

[Mega Black]

Oy vey fire goyim! You had better stop being so Antiaerosemetic! Pay your reparations to the new Air Nomads like good little sla- I mean apologetic people and let us import more Mud Nation peoples into your borders.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Oy vey fire goyim! You had better stop being so Antiaerosemetic! Pay your reparations to the new Air Nomads like good little sla- I mean apologetic people and let us import more Mud Nation peoples into your borders.

So, the Air Nomads deserved it is what you're saying? That's assuming the "genocide" really did happen even in part

 

[Tetra]

You’re an idiot. There’s no such as ‘good guys’.

 

[Autistic Sandwich]

Rate me "Late", but after all these years, we have never seen a single "Air Nomad" in any of the cartoons or spin-offs.

We have seen Monks, and monastic practice is sedentary by definition, opposed to nomadic lifestyle. While it can be argued monks could travel in pilgrimage (like Tang Sanzang from "Journey to the West"), pilgrimage is a ritual, not a lifestyle.

So who knows what the actual Nomads looked like, if there were really any true Nomads.

Spoiler: Lore sperging

Also, expanded "Avatar Legends" canon states a subversive sect of Air Monks was actively trying to overthrow foreign authority and provoke division among nations, even going as far as trying to recruit important members of Fire Nation nobility to their cause. Yet Air Monk Elders and Avatar Roku tolerated these renegades and did little to stop them.

It makes sense there would be distrust against Air Monks and it gives an explanation for Sozin's decision to attack the Temples.

TL;DR:
Sozin did nothing wrong.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Sozin did nothing wrong.

Well, of course he did nothing wrong. He was, after all, the Fire Lord.