Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.
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- 27 de Oct, 2017
Why did she lick his neck? That's nasty.
Ah, Terminator. A simple concept that Holywood keeps over complicating and not just providing a remake, or proper entry. Predator and Alien are sharing that feel...
If They wanted the soulless cashgrab they should just try to remake the original movie or something. Easier than trying to make 134 alternative realities.
Why there is no Alien: Isolation kind of game where you are in a city and have to run from a Terminator either make it lose you or you need to destroy the unit (or you are a terminator and must hunt down a person who is always a different person and you need to find out who and where to kill)?
If They wanted the soulless cashgrab they should just try to remake the original movie or something. Easier than trying to make 134 alternative realities.
Why there is no Alien: Isolation kind of game where you are in a city and have to run from a Terminator either make it lose you or you need to destroy the unit (or you are a terminator and must hunt down a person who is always a different person and you need to find out who and where to kill)?
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- 11 de Ago, 2019
I wonder why this was deleted...It did show Miles was a great guy with a great life and family, he simply didnt know what catastrophy he was unintentionally brewing. Just makes his death a whole lot more tragic...
But then again, thats a sign of a classic. Even the deleted scenes make you wish they were included. Fuck, look at the extended cuts of Lord of The Rings, every "deleted scene" is now in it because people loved even those.
T2 truly is a timeless classic.
Hollywood is incapable of doing two things
1- Knowing when to close the book on a franchise, stop fucking milking them when their stories are done.
2- When forcing these stories continue, actually make a decent most apolitical story.
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- 3 de Sep, 2014
It felt to me like the scene tells us a lot of things we already know, particularly in regards to Skynet. It's been a long time since I've seen the film, but I already had the impression that Miles had a decent relationship with his family, even if heavily focused on his project at the time. I figure they cut the scene because it doesn't really add anything, even if good on its own.
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If I had to guess, here's why they left it out:
The scene was included in the director's cut of the film, and having seen it cut into the film, I think it actually works better if the audience knows very little about Dyson until Sarah Connor's attempted murder of him later in the film.
The way it is in the theatrical cut, we discover who Dyson truly is at the same time Sarah, John, and the T-800 do, and it adds a little bit more spice to the scene if the audience is discovering this information right along with the characters. Prior to that, some might even be on Sarah's side on her mission to kill him, but seeing everything unfold the way it does makes it more of an emotional gut punch for the characters and us. If we already know he's a good and loving family man, it slightly undercuts that. I like the reveal of the wife and son and Dyson being a great husband and father being saved for that moment as it instantly raises the tension, ramps up the drama, and makes Sarah's choice more conflicted, and further drives John and T-800's mission to stop her.
Its a simple case of less is more. We know everything we need to know about Dyson in the theatrical cut and the way its presented to us makes it more dramatic, in my opinion.
The deleted scene, when viewed in a vacuum, is a great showcase for Dyson's character and shows us who he is to a T...but watching it cut into the film slightly takes away from things later in the film.
Now the deleted scene I wish was included in the theatrical cut is the "surgery scene" for lack of a better descriptor:
Its the scene where John and Sarah open up the Terminator's processor to adjust it make improve his ability to be "more human". After removing the chip from The Terminator's head, Sarah takes the opportunity to try and smash it, and John has to talk her down.
One of my slight issues with the theatrical cut of T2 is that Sarah accepts the Terminator a little too easily. Granted, its a tense and crazy situation and everything is going so fast, its like she doesn't have much of a choice, but this scene basically addresses my issue where she does try to take out The Terminator when the opportunity is presented, and John has to step up and be the leader he's destined to be to stop her.
Its a very well acted scene as well with Hamilton once again hitting it out of the park, and the way the scene is shot is brilliant too. Linda Hamilton's twin sister was used as a stand in to create the illusion of a mirror being used in the scene when really, Linda and Edward Furlong were working on a dummy version of Arnold, while Linda's sister was working with Arnold on the opposite side of the fake mirror. Its a very creative way to create an effect that would just be done via CGI and bluescreen nowadays.
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- 6 de Mar, 2019
One thing I'm very glad they cut was the alternate ending of John grown up, with eveyone dressed like it's Back to the Future 2
So cheesy it would have put a downer on the whole film
So cheesy it would have put a downer on the whole film
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- 17 de Sep, 2020
This series ended for me with Terminator 2.
Just like the Alien series ended at Aliens and there were no prentious prequels were the Xenomorphs were made by a mad gay robot.
And noone can convince me otherwise.
Just like the Alien series ended at Aliens and there were no prentious prequels were the Xenomorphs were made by a mad gay robot.
And noone can convince me otherwise.
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- 23 de Mar, 2016
I can see where you're coming from and the way how the shot was made is a pretty awesome display of skill by the director... I can't really warm up to any of the deleted scenes. You already pointed out why the one with Miles is better left out and with this scene, I never really warmed up to it. It felt kind of pointless to me and even though I've heard the argument that it shows John growing into a leader before, I have my issues with that and they are akin to your problem with Sarah accepting the Terminator just a tad too easy without it. With it, we have John becoming strong enough to stand up to his mother and then reverting back to his regular self a bit too easy.
But admittedly, maybe I just dislike these scenes for a more meta reason. They weren't dubbed until years after the original movie was released, so they had to use another VA for John (who sounds nothing like the original), so these additional scenes with him stick out like a rusty nail. Most of the deleted scenes were deleted for a reason, so it doesn't feel like they add that much to me, but maybe that's also my attitude due to the bad dubbing, that didn't do anything to endear me to those scenes.
Though there are two deleted scenes that I genuinely hate with a passion:
One where the T-1000 poses as John's foster mom and the other where he pretends to be Sarah Connor at the end. The former feels like it's an insult to the audience, the other feels like it's an insult to John's character.
When the T-1000 has his iconic, amazing phone call with John, where Arnie takes over with John's voice, he deliberately uses a wrong name for the dog, to figure out, whether it's Janelle or not. When Janelle falls for the trap, he hangs up. For some absurd reason, someone felt it necessary to really clue in the audience to the T-1000 realizing he's been sniffed out, by having him waddle over to the dog, killing it, and holding his collar (with the correct name on it) up to the camera... Seriously, I think the audience doesn't need that scene to understand that the T-1000 realizes he fucked up. I'm impressed whoever came up with that scene doesn't have the T-1000 look straight at the camera and doing a 4-th wall breaking Rob Schneider impression to comment on how he dun goof'd.
The other one is at the end of the movie, when the T-1000 has tried to force Sarah to cry out for John, Sarah gets away and John hears her calling for his help later on. Just when he's about to run into her arms, he realizes that his mom would never do something like that and that it's the T-1000. I love that scene, cause it shows us how smart and cunning John is. The entire movie he longs for his mother's affection and when he finally gets a glimpse of it, he goes "Wait a minute" and sees through the trap. He doesn't get his judgement clouded by emotion, even at his young age and even though it's what he has been longing for his entire life.
And then someone made a version of that scene where they added some (admittedly neat looking) effect, where the T-1000 suffers from his damage, which makes him accidentally mimick stuff that he touches... so in that deleted scene, when John is about to run up to his mom, he looks at her feet and sees that they are melting into the steel grate on the floor and then he realizes (after what feels like ages) it's not his mom. I also feel that showing the T-1000 slowly suffering malfunctions makes him less scary and since they get rid of him by throwing him into a lake of molten steel, it's not really necessary to explain how he was defeated. It took a massive explosion to give the T-800 a light limp (and shred his biological bits), that's fucking scary. The T-1000 being shot, run over, exploded and frozen without even slowing him down? That's fucking nightmare fuel.
Those two scenes, together with the fucked up voice acting, have soured me to the extended cut as a whole and I am so glad I got the theatric cut on DVD.
I fear it made me unable to appreciate that one scene with the mirror surgery, which is kind of a shame...
Fuck, I will never be able to unsee that Back to the Future look.
Also never realized how much John looks like Jordan Peterson in this scene.
Trilogies are cursed. Alien, Terminator, Godfather, Predator (arguably) and many other movie franchises fail after the second movie. The only movie franchises with a third movie that's actually not a huge let-down that I can think of are Star Wars and Back to the Future... though Star Wars found entirely different ways to torment its fans.
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- 13 de Sep, 2018
or after TSCC.
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The scenes you describe are sadly the exact type of things that would make it into big movies today without a second thought and they'd probably be made even worse with some kind of forced dialogue or even a corny joke. I can just picture that scene with the T-1000 and the dog now being done today and it would be somehow be worse than it already is. I feel like there is a lot more hand-holding in big blockbusters today and they are increasingly treating audiences like morons with the attention spans of gnats.
If I'm writing the script or story outline, it makes perfect sense to include this material as a way to make sure the audience has the information they need without beating them over the head with it. But reading relies on imagination and in movies, you have all the visual and audio cues possible at your disposal to get the point across. The T-1000's shapeshifting abilities malfunctioning is actually kind of a neat idea on paper and is a neat effect in execution, but when you look at everything surrounding it, its completely unnecessary. Thankfully, while Cameron and his crew were editing the footage together, they realized the above scenes weren't needed for various reasons and left them out.
And much has been said in recent years how movies like Star Wars were saved in the edit. I shudder to think would what happen if modern film makers had the chance to edit past movies like Star Wars and T2...the damage they'd cause...its too scary to think about.
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- 23 de Mar, 2016
I can perfectly picture it. The mix of Whedon's cancer and modern politics would look like this:
John Connor: [Calls his redneck foster parents]
T-1000 impersonating Janelle: [answers the phone] Hello?
John Connor: Hey, Janelle, it's me.
T-1000 impersonating Janelle: John? John, it's getting late, I want to have dinner with you, I'm making beef stew.
John Connor: [holds the phone] Something's wrong, she's never this nice.
T-1000 impersonating Janelle: John I'm getting worried about you, where are you?
Todd Voight: [wearing a red cap with MAGA on it, hearing Max barking outside] What the hell is that goddamn dog barking at? There some beaners in our garden or what?
[shouting to Max]
Todd Voight: Hey, shut-up you worthless piece of shit!
John Connor: [to himself] I can hear the dog barking.
Todd Voight: We should tell John to get rid of that ****in' mutt. [turning to the T-1000] Hurry up and make my dinner, bitch.
T-1000 impersonating Janelle: [uses her arm to kill Todd] John, where are you?
The Terminator: [takes the phone from John and impersonates his voice to talk] I'm here Janelle, I'm fine.
T-1000 impersonating Janelle: John, it's late, where are you?
The Terminator: [to John] What are the dog's pronouns?
John Connor: Xe/Xir.
The Terminator: [impersonating John's voice] Hey Janelle, what's wrong with Max? I can hear him barking.
T-1000 impersonating Janelle: He's fine, honey, he's just fine. Where are you?
The Terminator: [impersonating John's voice] Oh, so he's fine, huh? [imitating sad trombone sound before switching back to his normal Arnie voice] Wrong answer, sucker. Yes yesyesyesyes, I know, you put effort into it and you can't believe you failed, but man, you're stupid if you think that'd work, like, at all, dude. So long, loser. [Einstein walks up behind Arnie, clapping]
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- 22 de Abr, 2015
I like Alien 3. Fuck all of you.
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- 23 de Mar, 2016
Alien 3's biggest problem to me is killing off Newt and Higgs.
I think it would have been a great movie if it had not featured Ripley at all. If it was a movie set in the Alien universe, doing its own thing, it would have been far easier to appreciate.
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- 25 de Jun, 2020
Alien 3's recut was better than it's theatrical but it was still kind of ehh compared to the first two.
I actually liked Alien Resurrection but I will in no way defend it as "good".
I actually liked Alien Resurrection but I will in no way defend it as "good".
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- 12 de Jun, 2019
Motion to rename this the official terminator griefing thread?
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- 17 de Mar, 2018
To be fair, they could have gone with the script they had that took place on a wooden space station monastery. Supposed to have had a more feminine looking Xenomorph with big pouty lips that all the priests end up trying to kiss only to get a minimouth through the back of their heads. It was apparently weird and borderline incoherent and only the barest concepts (like the convicts having formed something of a monastic order) survived into the final film.
And of course we could have gotten William Gibson's script, which would have just been fucking weird.
And I liked Resurrection, too. It was fun. Not a great movie, but a fun one.
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- 18 de Jun, 2019
It really was more innocent days back in the 1990s, at no point watching Terminator 2 as a kid did it strike me as unusual that the main scientist behind Skynet was black, it's so matter of fact and Joe Morton was so perfectly cast that it feels perfectly plausible and natural.
The character is just interesting in general, it's interesting that the creator of Skynet isn't some cackling villain, he just didn't know and when he learns the consequences of his actions he tries to help stop it, to the point of sacrificing his life.
Today's woke media would shine a big spotlight on it and really hammer it home just how stunning and brave it is that the scientist is black, compare it to something like Black Panther, instead of him just being, ya know, a guy.
The 1990s matter of factness is so much preferable as it's ironically regressive to act like a black scientist is some shocking, unexpected thing, reinforcing the stereotypes instead of just being "yeah, why couldn't they be?" and treating it as no big deal.
On the flipside to that if he wasn't black that they would probably depict him as some cackling villain because he works for a corporation because capitalism bad, the idea of someone being well meaning but misguided is a little too much ambiguity for modern media, compare this to James Cameron's own Avatar where all of the corporate and military guys were unambiguous assholes.
Pretty much, I'm a little more forgiving of all the Alien movies, Alien post 2 is a mixed bag, but it isn't totally worthless, there are positive aspects of Alien as a whole franchise and it is at least one cohesive whole canon timeline.
Terminator on the other hand is such a complete fucking mess, with retcons out the wazoo and non-canon entries, there are at least 3 different separate timelines and none of the movies after 2 even come close to matching the quality.
So Terminator absolutely ended at 2.
It's bad but it still has some interesting ideas, there was effort put into the movie at least.
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- 22 de Ene, 2018
At this point, I should probably rewatch the whole thing already. Plenty of extended scenes and deleted scenes that I haven't bothered watching throughout the years. The one with Miles Dyson is just one of them and I agree, it has more impact to the viewer to see that the mastermind behind Skynet is just a plain ol' computer engineer, and all-around great family guy. We find that out at the same time Sarah makes that realization, that's why it works.
I still think it's a great scene that shows Miles very involved in his work, and how passionte he was about creating a CPU that would be of great benefit to everyone. His work was done with the best of intentions.
A few more extended and deleted scenes:
This one being the most terrible one, for being meme material.
EDIT: however, this scene is quite interesting. Sarah looked up Cyberdyne and wanted to blow up their offices in T1.
I still think it's a great scene that shows Miles very involved in his work, and how passionte he was about creating a CPU that would be of great benefit to everyone. His work was done with the best of intentions.
It's only during recent years that people would have made a massive deal about the main engineer behind Skynet a black dude. I, too, never cared for Miles being black - if anything, he's a very educated man who just happens to be black, and for all intents and purposes, has a very nice family, and could have never forseen the consequences of his work.
A few more extended and deleted scenes:
This one being the most terrible one, for being meme material.
EDIT: however, this scene is quite interesting. Sarah looked up Cyberdyne and wanted to blow up their offices in T1.
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