Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

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Rather curious how Kane Hodder might pull off a Terminator...

Its funny but I'll always have a soft spot for Genisys. It was an absolute mess and the acting was overall flat, but I loved the idea of a Sarah knowing her fate and being incredibly fucking pissed off that her entire life had been decided without any agency on her part, and expressing any would fuck the time line to a literally genocidal degree.

Kind of similar to how I liked the themes of Resistance, if not neccesarily the execution. Any decent soldier can be sent back in time to ensure the protagonist's survival - something which counters Skynet giving itself information from the future - but it ultimately comes down to whether or not you think he has the right to ask that of anyone; that his mistakes should be anyone else's responsibility, or that his future death can be pawned off on another.

Hard to ramble properly. Do you get what I'm saying?
 
BrunoMattei dijo:
The problem is that they painted themselves in a corner by making part 5 Genysis a pseudo remake of the first movie.

They're fucked if they do and fucked if they don't. I think the franchise should just end for a good 10-15 years before attempting a spinoff or remake.
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This is what happens when you don't pay attention while you're making stories about time travel. Seriously, you think hack directors are already bad about fucking up established settings to cover their own asses? Now add in an in-universe blank check to go back and fuck up everything for Reasons™!

No one should be willing to touch time travel stories unless they have a coherent vision and are willing to exercise dictatorial control over the setting. That shit falls apart faster than a child actor's career otherwise.
 
The handsome tard dijo:
Thing is, they really felt like they had to milk Arnold while he is still "young" enough to do these roles, throwing the "organic skin aging" non sense to justify his older appearance.

There is NO way Arnie will be able to do another Terminator movie in 10 years (the guy is in his early 70's and while he is a demi god of a man, no way he will be able to still do action-y roles at fucking 80 years old)

The problem on banking on an actor playing a character is that the actor is mortal, that actor will die someday and when it does, then what?

No way they can have someone else play the T-800, thats impossible. They wont have the same physical presence and power Arnie was able to pull off, even if you bring in another body builder turned actor.

Its the case the actor is far TOO iconical for the role. And using CG to put his younger self into the movie is a mostly miss than hit situation. Hell, when Arnold dies, will it still be okay CG-ing him into roles? But thats going into the topic of the morality of CG-ing dead actors instead of just letting them rest in peace.
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I don't think you need Arnie for this franchise.
 
Ruin dijo:
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had there not been a genre shift with the second movie. Most people forget this but the series became action adventure with T2. The first movie was straight up horror.
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BrunoMattei dijo:
I don't think you need Arnie for this franchise.
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between Sarah Conner Chronicles and the old Dark Horse comics there's decent arguments for a non-Arnold, less-blockbuster approach
 
BrunoMattei dijo:
That whole scene works and felt like classic Terminator.
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Honestly dont understand why that film gets shit on so much, like it would have been a perfect trilogy. Having said that McG should have fought to keep the ending. I genuinely dont know why Hollywood spergs out if someone online leaks their plots bacl in the 2000s. The harry potter films made billions despite everyone knowing what would happen in them.

Hell the JQ and holohoax has been leaked online since back in the 80s, somehow that hasnt affected hollywood either.

Also another reason to hate dark fate is that they didnt decide to just follow up from terminator 2's good ending.

There was no reason they couldn't have set it in 2028, you could have edward cameo as John conner the fat out of shape congressman. And follow most of the same story beats and they could have made so much more money. Another change i would have made would be to swap the villian and hero from the future. Have another robot go back in time to save the woman or John and have Sarah keep her bigotry towards them, while the real villian is the cyborg white woman who wants to destroy any differences between man and machine.

Also arnie doesnt get to be a robot again, instead he plays retired marine Candy, a human badass who shows why cyberdyne thought him the perfect guy to model the terminator after.
 
Salvation was a step in the right direction but still had some issues, the biggest of which being the choice to focus on Sam Worthington's character instead of John Connor.

However, I will give the movie this amount of credit: It moved the story forward. It didn't give us time traveling robots, or map out the same exact story again. Every single Goddamn Terminator movie has been "Time traveling robot goes back to kill the savior and a protector has to stop it". As great as it is, even T2 fell into this formula but got away with it because A) We weren't sick to death of Terminator yet, B) The movie looked amazing (and still holds up today) and C) They put in enough twists and differences to make it feel like we were seeing something new.

Since then though, it has just been the same recycled mess over and over again...except for Salvation.

We got the war torn future, John Connor assuming more authority over the resistance, and a look into the world that the first two movies hinted at. It was nice to see.

Flawed movie, but I'll take an honest attempt at trying to breath life into this shit over feeding me yesterday's scrambled eggs reheated in a broken microwave.
 
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Ahriman dijo:
By the way, this videogame should be coming out soon.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KZSW_9ihCb8
It's pure trash, just like the movie. You'd think that the game would be leaps and bounds better than the movie, but nope.
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So, I am quoting my own post to share a bit of an update.

Turns out that the game is actually pretty good, quite faithful to the first 2 movies with all the nods and story, and it actually holds up.

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Some reviews off of Steam:

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Civvie11 reviewed it a few months ago:


I purchased it a few weeks ago on the Summer Sale, I plan on firing it up and checking it out. Should be pretty comfy.
 
I hated Salvation but I will give it credit for at least trying to do something different.

I like how the Terminator series just keeps getting worse and worse with each new installment, 3 seemed bad when compared to 1 and 2, Salvation made you appreciate 3 more (at least it had Arnold), Genisys made you appreciate Salvation more (at least it wasn't another time travel story) and now Dark Fate makes you at least appreciate Genisys for not being woke.
 
I forgot to mention another thing I like about 3 was it's ending, that was pretty bold.

3 really isn't that bad anymore, it's by far the best of the post 2 Terminator movies and it's old enough now to have some nostalgia value, but there's zero reason to consider it a canon entry, especially when no less than two movies now ignore it.

Which is another thing to give Salvation credit for is it at least tried to stick to one continuity.

But there's still zero reason to consider anything after 2 canon and to really care that much about anything but the first 2.
 
Honestly, the only way I could see Terminator being salvaged as a franchise is to declare all of the stuff after T2 non-canon AND move forward the timeline in a way that makes sense without yet another time travel story but the one time they did was Salvation which sucked.

Terminator 3 wasn't bad per se but it was more "meh" than anything in my opinion, even back in the early 2000's. Everything after it was god-awful by any measure, and that makes a "meh okay" movie like T3 look kinda good in comparison.

At this point, kill the franchise and let it sit for at least ten years. Maybe in 2030, you could maybe do a remake/reboot but it'd have to be good and not the typical Hollywood bullshit. You'd need someone to replace Arnold since he'll either be dead or really old by 2030.
 
frozenrunner dijo:
Did it? The future war stuff didn't look anything like the "flashbacks" in T1 and T2.
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It did, but the deal was T2's future war was prevented by the events of T2, however a different future war ultimately happens due to the events of T3, which is what we see in Salvation.

In other words every movie up until Genisys acknowledged the previous movie as happening, until Genisys decided to start ignoring everything and Dark Fate decided to ignore everything after 2.
 
I’m just gonna consider that HISHE parody of a Back to the Future x Terminator crossover the true canon and finale.
 
frozenrunner dijo:
Did it? The future war stuff didn't look anything like the "flashbacks" in T1 and T2.
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Salvation's future war stuff makes sense as it seem to take place early in the war. As opposed to the "flashbacks" which take somewhere in the middle and end of the war. The Skynet factory being all new and pristine like for example a pre-WWII German panzer factory. Fast forward a number of years later the Skynet factory would be in some state of bombed out much like a late era WWII German panzer factory.
 
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