Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[frozenrunner]

Please just let the IP die. Nobody knows what they're doing with it anymore, not even Cameron.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

He just doesn't give a shit about anything anymore but transporting himself to Avatar world like a desperate nor/mlp/erson. What did the news call the Avatar fans in 2009 who were depressed that Pandora wasn't real? Why does blue trigger the autism gene?

At least there's people like Piotr Latocha who still give a shit about putting out decent Terminator content. Resistance might look like it was made in the mid-2000s, but it has more heart and satisfaction than anything that's come out since '91.

EDIT: Interesting lore vid on the "Tech-Com" unit in Terminator

I kinda like the idea of John Connor recruiting his followers via "the dark web". It sounds silly but plausible, especially considering the power of chan magic and stuff like Cicada 3301:

 

[Overly Serious]

I miss The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I know it's already been brought up but I have to lament what might have been. It had rough edges and the pop-philosophy voice over from Sarah Connor at the start of the episodes was getting dangerously close to parody on occasion. But it had great ideas and the cast were likeable. Lena Headey genuinely came across as a total badass without ever being made into some unrealistic action heroine. Some of the plot ideas they had which really worked:

Spoiler: spoilers

• The idea that people were coming back from different versions of the future. Like when Derek is talking with his girlfriend who came back later and finds that subtle little details of their time together are remembered differently by them because whilst they still met and dated, the future had changed by the time she came back. Ultimately, he decides she's not the woman he knew.
• The realisation that there isn't just one AI, but two. Possibly as a result of Shirley Manson's character trying to build a second AI that can compete with Skynet. But we don't know whether what she is building is the "Good Guy" she intends or if she's actually inadvertently building Skynet itself.
• Genuinely character-driven plotlines like Jessie picking out a pretty girl and bringing her back to seduce John Connor because she hates the use of machines and in the future thinks that Connor trusts Cameron far too much. So she wants to drive a wedge between them so he stops coming to see Cameron as his only confidant. And the way this spectacularly backfires as she becomes just one more person that manipulated him. There's this growing theme that John is the leader because he's been turned into the sort of person who will make impossible decisions that nobody else will. It sounds cheesy as a plot line but the seen where Jessie is beating on Riley (the girl she brought back) and yelling: "I brought you to paradise and all you had to do was make John love you" is fantastic. When Riley realises she's being set up so that Cameron will kill her and thus forever drive a wedge between Cameron and John - it's the sort of plot that is both unpredictable and follows naturally from what we know of the characters.
• There are genuinely scary moments with Skynet. The only time Skynet "speaks", breaching Weaver's security measures is a world away from the cheesy Rachel Weisz floating head in Salvation which just humanised Skynet. Or the episode Alison from Palmdale where we see Skynet torturing people day after day to make them give up endless personal details for an infiltrator to take over their identity. Pet names, family history, where someone got a bracelet and just memorising all of it for use as needed.

And just great character moments like Derek watching Cameron performing ballet in horror, the way the Terminators are becoming sophisticated enough to reproduce art and emulate the human love of beauty. The implication they might not just kill us, but replace us.

Sperg Mode: Off. I loved that show.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I also liked that one plot where they had this guy who actually collaborated with skynet for personal gain, as you could bet there would be such people in such a scenario. I also liked how they alluded to in the future sequences John Connor isn't necessarily seen as future Jesus and has also his critics, especially regarding worries of relying too much on machines to fight machines but also being smart enough about it to bring up that without using skynets technology, humanity would probably not stand a chance to fight against it, which makes sense. I also liked how it hinted at that there were rogue AIs skynet lost control over, but who also weren't necessarily aligning with humans. I liked the timewar Terminator-of-the-week plots. Yes it made the whole thing look really contrived and complicated but war waged across time would be and if you didn't go that route, you wouldn't have much of a show.

The show missed that little bump to be truly great but it was one of the better Terminator-related products, especially since it didn't try to be capeshit, which I think is the biggest problem with everything modern Terminator and also generally scifi related. Hollywood only wants another capeshit franchise out of Terminator, and that why it fails.

The downside of TSCC was that the bad episodes were truly, really bad and the writers strike and the tons of later plotlines leading absolutely nowhere killed it. That shit made the show basically incoherent towards the end.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Please just let the IP die. Nobody knows what they're doing with it anymore, not even Cameron.

Just reminded me of this:

I miss The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I know it's already been brought up but I have to lament what might have been. It had rough edges and the pop-philosophy voice over from Sarah Connor at the start of the episodes was getting dangerously close to parody on occasion. But it had great ideas and the cast were likeable. Lena Headey genuinely came across as a total badass without ever being made into some unrealistic action heroine. Some of the plot ideas they had which really worked:

Spoiler: spoilers

• The idea that people were coming back from different versions of the future. Like when Derek is talking with his girlfriend who came back later and finds that subtle little details of their time together are remembered differently by them because whilst they still met and dated, the future had changed by the time she came back. Ultimately, he decides she's not the woman he knew.
• The realisation that there isn't just one AI, but two. Possibly as a result of Shirley Manson's character trying to build a second AI that can compete with Skynet. But we don't know whether what she is building is the "Good Guy" she intends or if she's actually inadvertently building Skynet itself.
• Genuinely character-driven plotlines like Jessie picking out a pretty girl and bringing her back to seduce John Connor because she hates the use of machines and in the future thinks that Connor trusts Cameron far too much. So she wants to drive a wedge between them so he stops coming to see Cameron as his only confidant. And the way this spectacularly backfires as she becomes just one more person that manipulated him. There's this growing theme that John is the leader because he's been turned into the sort of person who will make impossible decisions that nobody else will. It sounds cheesy as a plot line but the seen where Jessie is beating on Riley (the girl she brought back) and yelling: "I brought you to paradise and all you had to do was make John love you" is fantastic. When Riley realises she's being set up so that Cameron will kill her and thus forever drive a wedge between Cameron and John - it's the sort of plot that is both unpredictable and follows naturally from what we know of the characters.
• There are genuinely scary moments with Skynet. The only time Skynet "speaks", breaching Weaver's security measures is a world away from the cheesy Rachel Weisz floating head in Salvation which just humanised Skynet. Or the episode Alison from Palmdale where we see Skynet torturing people day after day to make them give up endless personal details for an infiltrator to take over their identity. Pet names, family history, where someone got a bracelet and just memorising all of it for use as needed.

And just great character moments like Derek watching Cameron performing ballet in horror, the way the Terminators are becoming sophisticated enough to reproduce art and emulate the human love of beauty. The implication they might not just kill us, but replace us.

Sperg Mode: Off. I loved that show.

I remember most of those scenes, particularly the Riley vs Cameron scenario even though I don't remember her face. I guess my problem with the show is I would rather have had it feel more like the films and less like a TV show with a weird implied romance between John and a diminutive Terminator. Giving Kyle a brother at all felt like a poor-to-average fanfic decision. Cromartie was admittedly one of the best parts of the show, but they tried doing something weird with his "character" I guess you could say, and by the end he was killed kneeling in front of a chapel pulpit. Lot of just blatant symbolism crowbarred in there for whatever reason. I didn't like what they did with Enrique Salceda or Dr. Silberman much either.

I also liked that one plot where they had this guy who actually collaborated with skynet for personal gain, as you could bet there would be such people in such a scenario. I also liked how they alluded to in the future sequences John Connor isn't necessarily seen as future Jesus and has also his critics, especially regarding worries of relying too much on machines to fight machines but also being smart enough about it to bring up that without using skynets technology, humanity would probably not stand a chance to fight against it, which makes sense. I also liked how it hinted at that there were rogue AIs skynet lost control over, but who also weren't necessarily aligning with humans. I liked the timewar Terminator-of-the-week plots. Yes it made the whole thing look really contrived and complicated but war waged across time would be and if you didn't go that route, you wouldn't have much of a show.

Those are all good ideas on paper, I think, especially the rogue AIs / T-1000s it lost control over. I just don't think it was executed too well in the show. I don't remember if we see anything of adult John Connor in the future, but that would've been nice to see.

The show missed that little bump to be truly great but it was one of the better Terminator-related products, especially since it didn't try to be capeshit, which I think is the biggest problem with everything modern Terminator and also generally scifi related. Hollywood only wants another capeshit franchise out of Terminator, and that why it fails.

The downside of TSCC was that the bad episodes were truly, really bad and the writers strike and the tons of later plotlines leading absolutely nowhere killed it. That shit made the show basically incoherent towards the end.

Absolutely. Genisys really turned the T-800 infiltrator into The Hulk and killed the stark realism of The Terminator. And the only thing I remember about the ending of the show is that Sarah sends her son John into the future, making him not the leader of the Resistance anymore, but there's still a Resistance against Skynet in the future. So I guess they were expecting another season? A movie? I dunno. Pretty anti-climactic and a little confusing.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

"Jokes on you, fans! We WANTED you to hate our movie!"

See you (in the) tomorrow (war).

 

[The handsome tard]

First Terminator post of 2020...
*turn on recorder for dramatic effect*

Thankfully it seems that the franchise is dead, movie wise at least. Tho we will keep on watch, never know when someone with too much money, time and ego will give another shot. Normies are starting to wake up, tho if they will do so fast enough, I dont know. Star Wars is dead too. Both franchises will live on through comics and games but the core of their brand, the movies, are done for. It is my hope that from this wasteland, new hope can be born, new creators can take over and build something enjoyable from the ashes of what they loved.

My message for the future? Dont stop fighting those corporate overlords...if you do just consume product without question, then they have already won...

This is Handsome Tard, wishing you good luck.

Out
...
...
...
Oh shit I forgot to turn off the recorder, aww, its this button ? No no, thats the light switch...aw shit, now I literally cant see, wait I guess I can feel with my fingers. Lets just...aaaand...there we go.

*turn off recorder*

 

[PenskeMaterial]

Heads up, If you wanted to see it but didn't feel like giving money to the shitheads behind it, you're in luck, a 1080 webrip was released today and is available in the usual places.

Blu-ray is due on the 28th if you prefer a Blu-ray rip.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I wonder if this will get a Razzie nod

 

[Internet's Boyfriend]

I wonder if this will get a Razzie nod

I don't know how official this is, but it doesn't seem to be on the shortlist.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Doc Brown is the hero we need.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Doc Brown is the hero we need.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=n9o3gdoHoeo

I adore Back to the Future.

God bless Zemeckis for promising there will never be a fourth movie, or a remake. He knew.

Dark Fate Blu-Ray's coming out soon, so it looks like Paramount/Digital Bits has released some of the deleted scenes to try and advertise it:

The empty, incessant callbacks to T2 are really shit. Almost as much as Tim's fixation with making Mackenzie Davis into his badass action heroine.

In slightly more interesting news, somebody approved an IDW/Dark Horse crossover comic between Terminator and Transformers:



I guess that's something to look forward to come March.

Appropriately it looks like goofy comic book schlock, so it might be fun and not complete shit. Better than nothing I suppose.

 

[Ahriman]

It's out, mateys. Set sail to the high seas.

Spoiler

Magnet link:

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:35d7372bc7a6291d3a6025bca1d6a5ced4fb9b0f&dn=Terminator.Dark.Fate.2019.1080p.BluRay.x264-SPARKS&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker.trackerfix.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2720&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2750

 

[Judge Holden]

It's out, mateys. Set sail to the high seas.

Spoiler

Magnet link:

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:35d7372bc7a6291d3a6025bca1d6a5ced4fb9b0f&dn=Terminator.Dark.Fate.2019.1080p.BluRay.x264-SPARKS&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker.trackerfix.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2720&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2750

Yarr......narr I be thinkin Ill not waste me time and just keelhaul me rowboat to illicit oriental paintings for a few hours instead.

 

[BrunoMattei]

It was out several days ago. Get with the times old man.

 

[Rakdos92]

Since we are talking Terminator already, has anyone played the Terminator mod for ArmA 3?

EDIT: Forgot videos:

ARMA 3 - Fighting Terminators

Join Discord for More Info https://discord.gg/46qZhmj Support me on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/DevilDogGamer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thedevi...

www.youtube.com

ArmA 3: Terminator Apocalypse (Phantom Arts)

Phantom has done it again with a scenario in the Terminator universe. Broadcasted live on Twitch -- Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/justinred87 ZFG Chann...

www.youtube.com

 

[Ahriman]

Edit: so I've finally watched it, just so that I can say "yea I watched it, won't do it again". Absolute trash.

 

[BrunoMattei]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=q7pxJrDUUxc
Edit: so I've finally watched it, just so that I can say "yea I watched it, won't do it again". Absolute trash.

Pretty good video but I completely disagree that it's the best of the bad sequels. Clearly, the best one is Salvation.

 

[The handsome tard]

Pretty good video but I completely disagree that it's the best of the bad sequels. Clearly, the best one is Salvation.

Salvation is the superior one on the fact alone it doesnt rip off/steal any ideas from the previous movies outside of recurring lines and that tries to show the future war.

 

[Raging Capybara]

This movie is a gigantic pile of garbage, and I honestly consider it to be the worst blockbuster I've watched in the past 5 years. It's even worse than TLJ, and it's definitely a franchise killer.

I was going to write a long text about it but I felt bored halfway through the writing so I stopped. If you still want to read the incomplete review I'm going to put it inside the spoiler. But my English sucks and I didn't spell-check it, so good luck.

Spoiler: Boring rambling in broken english

So yesterday I sadly watched this film and I was surprised. I knew it would be bad but it's not only the worst Terminator movie in the series, it's also genuinely one of the worst films ever made. "Dark Fate" is one of the very few "1-star" ratings I've ever given to a movie on IMDb, this monumental pile of garbage deserved it.


From where do I start? There're so many things wrong with this thing that I feel dizzy sometimes. Let's start with the first scene, not that scene that you are thinking, I'm talking about the Sarah monologue they stole from a far superior movie. I was watching that thinking to myself: "gosh, I should be watching Terminator 2 right now that's one million times better than this garbage". This teasing is certainly not a good way to start a film, but what comes next is simply indescribable.


Yeah, everyone already knows about that. John dying didn't upset me so much because I was already expecting it. What truly infuriated me was how shitty the whole scene is. There's no build-up, no anticipation, the music sucks ass, no emotional connection with was happening at all. It just happens laughably quickly, It probably lasts one minute and no more than that. That's it, John is dead and Arnold walks away, barely any witnesses, cops, or consequences. What a fucking retard scene.


At that moment I almost turned the film off. I never experienced it before, that was a first in my life. A movie SO BAD that I wanted to delete the fucking torrent from my computer 3 minutes in. How they managed to fuck up this bad? This movie is a miracle from hell, Uwe Boll couldn't do something like that.


But it's a Terminator movie alright? So let's talk about action, after the second movie this is all that matters. And the action is atrocious, some of the worst I've ever seen. There were multiple moments during the film where I didn't know what was going on. I'm not going to talk about everything because I'm too lazy but on top of my head I can talk about the following:


Somewhere during the truck chase, they get separated on a two-lane road. How? I don't know either. I will give a sweet to anyone who can explain that to me.


After they got detained by the border patrol, they managed to escape with a helicopter. Ok, but Sarah was late, so she runs like crazy towards the chopper to catch up, when she finally gets close she jumps and, well, she managed to hop about 40 feet because that's the distance the helicopter was to the ground in the next take. And, of course, the Terminator couldn't do the same thing because fuck you, let's pretend he wasn't jumping like crazy minutes before.


The plane, oh my fucking god! Where is the wind blowing up the hair and clothes of the characters during the take-off? Who did this scene? This movie somehow cost 150 million dollars.


But shortly after the plane starts to explode for whatever reason, and the editing is so horrible that I honestly stopped giving a damn about the action. I will give a sweet to anyone who can explain to me exactly what happened in this particular scene. Everything sucks on it, the "special" effects, the music, the expositionary dialog that we can clearly hear even considering a plane is crashing and the wind is blowing violently inside.

I have mad respects for the editor of this film. He tried his best to salvage this whole mess, but he simply didn't have enough footage to work with. At some point in the movie, there's a jump cut during a dialog scene (when they meet Arnold in the cabin). It's embarrassing, this is not a Lars Von Trier movie. This jump cut was just a remedy for the lack of footage, and not a stylistic choice. The director's incompetence in "Dark Fate" was so immense that he forgot to shot enough takes for a simple dialog between two characters.


The androgynous cyborg is probably the unlikeliest character I've ever witnessed on a major studio film. It's so bizarre that I have a hard time fathoming exactly what was the screenwriters' intentions while creating her. At one point she was mildly annoyed by an old lady who had just asked a couple of milquetoast questions to her. The repulsive cyborg's response was mesmerizing, she simply threatened to rip the sexagenary woman's throat out using her bare hands. Wow! That's a perfectly reasonable reaction. Not only that but this woman isn't just a random character from the movie, she's goddamn Sarah Connor, you know? The character we have learned to love and respect for the past 30 and so years.

This loathsome character goes on the whole movie acting like a psychopath, it's so weird. I believe they tried to emulate what happens in Terminator 2 when Arnold tries to kill anyone who he sees before being rebuked by John. But he is a robot so it's funny. A real woman - that was only enhanced by technology - acting as a mass murderer sociopath isn't cute or funny, movie. It's just gross and appalling.