No, I'd say being woke was the first fundamental flaw of this film, as indicated by the photo that kicked off the marketing campaign:
This photo inspired confusion in normies. Who was this ...
thing front-and-center? Is that John? No, that's Mackenzie Davis. But wait, if this is a sequel to T2, then where the hell is John Connor? This was the most important question they needed to answer, and right away, not wait until the movie came out or some disgruntled staff leaked the plot.
This was strike #1, and it was absolutely to appeal to the woke SJW crowd and media shills. More to the point, it indicated what the priorities were for Skydance and/or Blur Studios in making this film. Setting up for a trilogy was one goal, but planning for that doesn't mean you're planning to fail.
Strike #2 was Tim Miller's reaction to people disliking the first trailer, which showed that the movie was going to be a boring trash retread of T2, but this time with more women & minority leads so you can't criticize it without being bigoted. Again, appealing to the woke SJW crowd at the expense of fans and normies who weren't impressed, with Tim acting like neither he nor the studio could do no wrong. This was in stark contrast to how Tim commented on the Sonic situation with Jeff Fowler in April. There, Tim seemed to be on the side of the fans, but only after Jeff decided to listen to them in the first place. Now it seems Tim could give two shits about "closet misogynists" and "trolls on the internet".
Strike #3 was the movie being the failure everyone expected, not just because it
was a boring rehash of T2, but also because of the woke SJW message about Dani being the future hero, not the mother of the future hero. This twist being built up by a baffling anti-motherhood sentiment represented by Sarah, trashing her character in the process. It's the same pattern with Star Wars: create a new Mary Sue hero to lead the franchise, and kill off or destroy the old legacy characters to prop her up. They underestimated why and how much people loved T2, thinking that pandering to
both the woke SJW crowd--by emphasizing female/minority leads at the expense of legacy characters--and the T2 fans--by dangling Linda Hamilton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Edward Furlong & James Cameron in front of them--would save the film. They just needed to spend enough on marketing and on producing bigger action sequences. Their priorities were in the wrong place, and while I agree a lot of that has to do with people like Jim and Tim being fake Hollywood scumbags, it also had to do with the woke SJW mentality permeating Hollywood thanks to #MeToo and #TimesUp. Terrible environment to produce films in, but only if you care about appeasing political activists.
I got sick of the anti-SJW youtubers having a go at the movie, they only have issue with this movie because it is easy money for them which isn't a bad reason because everyone but commies like money just which they were more honest about it, but it's really nothing like the ghostbuster remake or captain marvel in terms of SJWish, the only scene like that is where they reveal Dani to be the hero of the future and that is only because they wait a pointless long time to tell us and act like it's a big shock, when early in the movie during a part where Sarah Connor tells her backstory on top of a train this revelation would have made more sense to be revealed.
I'm not sure how much more SJW this movie could've been; it's bad enough as it is. I guess they could've been more on-the-nose about it by implying the future was all-female Resistance fighters or something retarded like that.
As for YTers, you mean like Geeks & Gamers or Nerdrotic?
I am also one of the purists that loathe the T1 remaster with Stereo re-mixing instead of the old Mono soundtrack, so as much as I enjoy the improved visuals, the audio is just like nails on a chalkboard.
Yeah, I prefer the mono theatrical mix as well. Better to just let these movies be as they were, but at least Cameron didn't insist on the remaster being the
only available version.
What's sad is that it should in theory be such an easy source material to work with. People like post apocalyptic, and honestly, if you made the player character a terminator, you could even do something like what is being done with cyberpunk where you actually have you modifying yourself. Not only that, but any setting would be a good setting since the whole world got destroyed in the story.
I wish Bethesda wasn't so shit today. They might be the best people to make an open-world Terminator game set in the future.
I have a fuzzy recollection of someone--maybe Bethesda or someone else--having made plans to make a Terminator game where you could control either Resistance fighters or any number of SkyNet machines, like HKs and Terminators. That sounds like it could be fun.
Just do a Terminator movie that takes place entirely in the future and without time travel bullshit.
Literally Aliens but with robots. Have humans wear exosuits to try and beat the robots because space marines vs robot horde would sell.
Agreed. Bethesda tried this idea out way back when. It wasn't great, but the idea of the Resistance donning an exo-suit armor to fight SkyNet is money:
Okay, I still say there should have been no sequels after T2, but if there had to be, then we should have eventually gotten a film set in the Future War where John Connor has to preserve the events of the 1st film by giving Kyle the picture of his mom, sending him back, reprogramming the T-800 to send back, and making sure the events of T1 and T2 take place as they should, with some hitches in the road (maybe Kyle finds out he's John's dad or something, I don't know).
I even think Terminator: Salvation had a good idea in showing that things weren't happening as John expected, implying that more things had changed in the current time loop that lead to unexpected consequences, or events. Maybe Kyle never shows up in the future. Maybe the Colorado team fails to destroy SkyNet.
The sci fi aspect isn't what Terminator is about, that's why everything after T2 is a failure.
If (or rather "when") they'll make another one, they need to make a medium budget horror movie ($50 million at most) in order for it to succeed.
I agree in part. The sci-fi aspect was the backdrop, but an important element nonetheless. Without it, it's not really Terminator. But Terminator absolutely needs to be brought down back to earth and learn how to be terrifying again. It needs its own Joker movie.
