Sympathy for ILJ?

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I have to disagree, she doesn't show signs of being abused and whatnot, i talked about this in some other thread, she never even attempted to pull the poor wittle diddled kid card.

The only thing she seems to be is an attention seeking sociopath, no sympathy to people like that.​
 
The words, "swim fucker swim," should haunt her for the rest of her life, but they won't, because she doesn't feel guilt. It's up to her devoted fans to continually remind her of those words, because God knows she won't do it herself.
 
Yes, yes, we're all aware that image wasn't taken by her. Doesn't change the fact that the people that have had the pleasure of being around her say she's on r9k levels of filth and stink.
But out of all the thousands of pictures, beyond the toenails, have we seen any evidence for this? If anything, we've seen evidence to the contrary. We've seen the inside of her dorm in videos and in images. She obviously didn't stink bad enough to have 3 or 4+ people in her bedroom to waterboard.
Other than Roman and Zoe; who else has affirmed the stench or filth?

I know that it's the lesser side of honesty, I'm not saying that anything/everything is 100% a shitpost/edgepost. Because it'd be irresponsible for me to publish a definitive claim like that to the internet. But on the flip side of that, it's irresponsible to publish posts definitively affirming claims to be 100% true.

This section of the forum has 3.5+ million views, there are probably hundreds of youtube videos, maybe thousands, there are twitter accounts that have been created to exclusively repost stuff from here.

I keep relating all this to the zoosadist leaks. Imagine if every ice cream parlor that was speculated to be the right one were given their own threads, hours of attention, and imagine if each possible parlor were declared to be the affirmatively true parlor.

I think it's vital to keep misinformation / declarative statements to the absolute minimum. In 6 months from now I don't want people to say "oh, yeah those retards on kiwi farms said it, look how they handled the Bella thing" to dismiss future scenarios.
 
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Okay, this is what I don't get, People keep mentioning the atrocities ILJ committed like that would somehow negate the feeling of sympathy. It does seem some people aren't capable of holding the dual thoughts of having utter contempt for someone whilst still being sympathetic to them, especially for those experience in their early life that led them to becoming such a contemptable figure.

Example, I despise John Wayne Gacy for what he did, but I feel sympathy for the little boy who grew up being constantly mocked and beaten by a domineering father. I don't have any problem holding those two thoughts at the same time, and I don't find it in anyway diminishes the much greater sympathy I feel for JWG's victims.

Also none of that sympathy makes me incapable about making off-colour jokes about killer-clowns committing homo-cide either, nor feeling that at the end of the day JWG ultimately got what he deserved.

Also, and this confuses me somewhat, the hamster thing. I hate the mistreatment of animals (up to the point of being a [Power Level: Veggie] ) but it does seem that there are some people who are currently claiming outrage about ILJ boiling a hamster alive that would be slapping her on the back and calling her a "good 'ol girl" if she's taken said hamster out to the woods, got drunk with her buddies, and then stalked the poor beast for an afternoon before letting it slowly bleed out, whilst taking selfies with it, after impaling it with a bow-and-arrow or tearing it apart with a second-amendment submachine gun.

TL;DR ILJ is a figure deserving of contempt and mockery for her actions, but that doesn't mean you can't feel some pity for the life she led that brought her to this point, nor, if she turns out to be mentally incapable, believe that she should receive psychiatric intervention and incarceration rather than fire-and-brimstone retribution.
 
Okay, this is what I don't get, People keep mentioning the atrocities ILJ committed like that would somehow negate the feeling of sympathy. It does seem some people aren't capable of holding the dual thoughts of having utter contempt for someone whilst still being sympathetic to them, especially for those experience in their early life that led them to becoming such a contemptable figure.

Example, I despise John Wayne Gacy for what he did, but I feel sympathy for the little boy who grew up being constantly mocked and beaten by a domineering father. I don't have any problem holding those two thoughts at the same time, and I don't find it in anyway diminishes the much greater sympathy I feel for JWG's victims.

Also none of that sympathy makes me incapable about making off-colour jokes about killer-clowns committing homo-cide either, nor feeling that at the end of the day JWG ultimately got what he deserved.

Also, and this confuses me somewhat, the hamster thing. I hate the mistreatment of animals (up to the point of being a [Power Level: Veggie] ) but it does seem that there are some people who are currently claiming outrage about ILJ boiling a hamster alive that would be slapping her on the back and calling her a "good 'ol girl" if she's taken said hamster out to the woods, got drunk with her buddies, and then stalked the poor beast for an afternoon before letting it slowly bleed out, whilst taking selfies with it, after impaling it with a bow-and-arrow or tearing it apart with a second-amendment submachine gun.

TL;DR ILJ is a figure deserving of contempt and mockery for her actions, but that doesn't mean you can't feel some pity for the life she led that brought her to this point, nor, if she turns out to be mentally incapable, believe that she should receive psychiatric intervention and incarceration rather than fire-and-brimstone retribution.
Re: Hamsters, people keep bringing up what are known facts and allegations (also, your theory that we'd be applauding her if she was some big game hunter is off the mark for me and I imagine many, many others).

Meanwhile, you keep alluding to some presumed "life she led" that deserves pity when there isn't really any evidence that her life was at all pitiable. I can feel sympathy for children of divorce in general, but I won't feel sympathy for a child of divorce who also did the heinous shit she did/planned to do - no matter how many "explanations" you try to ascribe to her actions. We have to hold individuals accountable for their actions, regardless of what background they come from. Where are you getting mentally incapable from, btw? Yes, she's a dumb Zoomer, but that does not an animal torturer make.

You keep digging in deeper and deeper without really bringing up any new points, as if repeating over and over how she may have had a tough life somehow makes her worthy of sympathy. You can say it 1000 times and I still wouldn't believe it.
 
Also, and this confuses me somewhat, the hamster thing. I hate the mistreatment of animals (up to the point of being a [Power Level: Veggie] ) but it does seem that there are some people who are currently claiming outrage about ILJ boiling a hamster alive that would be slapping her on the back and calling her a "good 'ol girl" if she's taken said hamster out to the woods, got drunk with her buddies, and then stalked the poor beast for an afternoon before letting it slowly bleed out, whilst taking selfies with it, after impaling it with a bow-and-arrow or tearing it apart with a second-amendment submachine gun.
That's because culling herds is actually necessary. If it isn't done, they end up slowly starving to death in winter. Hunters also do not get off on letting an animal "slowly bleed out," they kill it as quickly as possible. It also isn't terribly common to hunt deer with a "submachine gun." It wasn't killing a hamster that was her crime, it was that the sole and only purpose of it was cruelty for its own sake. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of trophy hunting either, but crop protection and food at least serve an actual purpose.

Perhaps if they boiled the deer alive it would be comparable.
 
You keep digging in deeper and deeper without really bringing up any new points, as if repeating over and over how she may have had a tough life somehow makes her worthy of sympathy. You can say it 1000 times and I still wouldn't believe it.
Hey, it's the internet....it's what we do here.

@AnOminous
Yeah, I should have specified I was snarking about trophy hunting. I'm not being preachy about the pragmatic killing of animals for food or herd culling.
 
I get where you're coming from, but I disagree. I haven't seen solid evidence about this abuse you allege, but I was exploring this line of thinking a few weeks ago, wondering how different was I when I was her age?

Bella claimed to be a 4chan oldfag, despite being about 4 at the time, but I was actually there and know it's nothing to brag about. Outside of being cringe as fuck, it just means you were an extremely online loser before many others were. But, while I was there I saw raids and gayops and was enraptured by nearly all manner of degeneracy. Sounds like Bella, but there was a difference. Bella always went a few steps too far.

4chan was like the classic depiction of Hell's ironic punishments. If an attention-seeking thot posts tits and a bit of personal information and expects everybody to fawn over her then her tits get sent to her friends and family and maybe coworkers so she can have all that attention she craves. Shitty, but she stuck her own head in the noose so you can't feel that bad for her.

But with Bella she seeks out an Internet autist known to want sexual attention, manipulates him for the better part of a year, gets into his bank account, steals from the poverty-stricken retard despite being rich as fuck, and then tries to get him to commit suicide using all of her friends and acquaintances as expendable pawns.

On 4chan we all had a laugh at shock images like goatse, tubgirl, bluewaffle, etc.

Bella takes it much, much too far though and seems to unironically enjoy child pornography. Even if the enjoyment is ironic it doesn't make it a whole lot better.

We're doing nothing but examining and discussing information. Nothing is being fabricated against Bella, nothing is being taken out of context so far as we can tell. She boils hamsters, she sells prescription drugs to peers, she solicits for child pornography (illustrated or otherwise), she uses her pathetic friends, she sexually harasses acquaintances, she plots an autist's death for a hobby and she stands tall, proud of her deeds, confident that she's a genius despite the fact that she was outsmarted by 13-year-old bluespike who managed to never get doxed.

Any consequences Bella faces are for actions she took on her own. She stuck her head in the noose of her own accord.
 
But out of all the thousands of pictures, beyond the toenails, have we seen any evidence for this? If anything, we've seen evidence to the contrary. We've seen the inside of her dorm in videos and in images. She obviously didn't stink bad enough to have 3 or 4+ people in her bedroom to waterboard.
Other than Roman and Zoe; who else has affirmed the stench or filth?

I know that it's the lesser side of honesty, I'm not saying that anything/everything is 100% a shitpost/edgepost. Because it'd be irresponsible for me to publish a definitive claim like that to the internet. But on the flip side of that, it's irresponsible to publish posts definitively affirming claims to be 100% true.

This section of the forum has 3.5+ million views, there are probably hundreds of youtube videos, maybe thousands, there are twitter accounts that have been created to exclusively repost stuff from here.

I keep relating all this to the zoosadist leaks. Imagine if every ice cream parlor that was speculated to be the right one were given their own threads, hours of attention, and imagine if each possible parlor were declared to be the affirmatively true parlor.

I think it's vital to keep misinformation / declarative statements to the absolute minimum. In 6 months from now I don't want people to say "oh, yeah those retards on kiwi farms said it, look how they handled the Bella thing" to dismiss future scenarios.
This is pretty a subtle attempt at deflection, Isabella, but we're never going to let you off the hook for your sins.....
 
This person straight up tortured other students and did reprehensible shit. I’m pretty sure if she had few more screws loose in her head, she’d murder someone.
 
She doesn't even deserve this this thread and all the time debated over sympathy for her.

That bitch earned her subforum as honestly as any other cow here; how dare you anyone consider taking it from her, it might be all she ever does with Gods gift of life.
 
Re: Hamsters, people keep bringing up what are known facts and allegations (also, your theory that we'd be applauding her if she was some big game hunter is off the mark for me and I imagine many, many others).

Meanwhile, you keep alluding to some presumed "life she led" that deserves pity when there isn't really any evidence that her life was at all pitiable. I can feel sympathy for children of divorce in general, but I won't feel sympathy for a child of divorce who also did the heinous shit she did/planned to do - no matter how many "explanations" you try to ascribe to her actions. We have to hold individuals accountable for their actions, regardless of what background they come from. Where are you getting mentally incapable from, btw? Yes, she's a dumb Zoomer, but that does not an animal torturer make.

You keep digging in deeper and deeper without really bringing up any new points, as if repeating over and over how she may have had a tough life somehow makes her worthy of sympathy. You can say it 1000 times and I still wouldn't believe it.
There were videos of ant covered baseball bats, there were videos of hanged dogs in the woods, and chatlogs were used to corroborate evidence between people like Woof, Levi, Kero, etc. The chatlogs were supplementary, the chatlogs were used to cross reference known and documented events. The "Hard Zoo" channel leaks included mountains of video, images, RARs, etc. We pieced together the identities of the players involved with the videos, cross referencing the chatlogs, and a little help from people slightly less degenerate than the degenerates mentioned above.
My problem, and I think other's problem, with this is that there are only chatlogs, and one person corroborating the story, Allen, who had multiple posts in the Mega-Thread personally addressed to him. The one I remember most was edited, I believe, by Spooky, but it was an open letter to Allen from Bonktrash demanding he come out with the REALLY REALLY REALLY REAL STORY OR ELSE!!
And then within a few hours the "interview" took place and claims of hamster boiling / eating were solidified in the minds of many on this site.
My problem is that words alone mean nothing. For example; people confess to crimes they've never committed, and evidence proves them innocent. Words alone only prove that words were said. It doesn't prove that actions were taken, it doesn't prove that events transpired.

There are very very few "known facts" as far as I'm concerned. Facts require evidence. Allegations require nothing, and there are a lot of alleged crimes and abhorrent behaviours, but allegations mean nothing. There are perfectly reasonable deductive arguments against many of the allegations. One I've made several times is the high likelihood of the fetid stench of piss and infected rotting flesh on Max's feet/legs would absolutely incur complaints from the entire floor; and it's very unlikely that the Dorm Supervisor, or the RA wouldn't have been called over the putrid stench if it were as bad as it would have to be to rot a dog's feet off.

Bullying a tranny to suicide is also not proven. As far as I know, there has only been one suicide and it was a real woman who worked as a bartender who has no proven relation to ILJ.

The hidden cameras are proven, but I guess that's not sensational enough.
The confusing and perverted artwork is proven.
The weird pedophiile fanfiction is proven.

The extent of her involvement in Chris-Chan is not proven. Her involvement with Praetor is proven. Her relation to WCT is proven, but the implications of those things only amounts to an animation she made for Praetor, and a few chatlogs with WCT.

The things people say are true should be completely disregarded, or put into a separate thread for "Unverified Allegations"
 
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Just leave it at this, all villains have an element of pity, due in large part to their pathetic nature. She could be like gollum, and there is pity in that creature, but it doesn't excuse what she did, so sympathy is misplaced there. Pity, which can have an element of both contempt for what they became while understanding what caused them to be this way.

Saying that, most pity is misplaced here because she wasn't beat as a kid, she wasn't manipulated into this, and the majority of people who are neglected and turn sour still just wind up being shitty people who don't torture animals, engage in needless sexual blackmail on students, or try and get an autist to kill himself. That takes something being more broken in the girl the exists independent of whatever neglect people want to place on her childhood.
 
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Oh boohoo 20yo glowie daughter is still young so maybe we're being too harsh.

The cunt deserves it. There's a difference between something like a mean prank a teenager would do and trying to manipulate an autistic manchild into killing himself and torturing animals. Nobody who does the latter two things deserves any sympathy. Plus she admits to being a rapist, and it's likely she bullied a classmate to suicide. She's lucky the the consequences of her actions are just getting shit talked by autists online.
 
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