Susie Green & Mermaids UK - "Trans Kid Support Charity", Susie had her underage kid get GRS

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Troons adopt a policy of deliberate misinterpretation to circumvent a legal reality?
Wow - never saw that one coming...

Short of rewriting the law to prevent what Green is doing, the only other thing they might consider is issuing a take down notice for the website, as they did with several others earlier this year.
 
She's like the boy mum equivalent of those parents that take their daughters out of the country "on holiday" to subject them to FGM or to marry them off to some dirty old cousin. Not that there have been many prosecutions for parents doing that either tbf.
 
Morethanabitfoolish dijo:
If nothing else though their intent to use the open border with Ireland would suggest that there would be a lot of questions at border control normally if it was just getting shipped into the UK. The source for their legal advice also would suggest it's all bullshit
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I actually think they might have found a loophole.

The UK has an agreement to honour prescriptions with "prescribing approved countries". That's basically how Gender GP was operating anyway - getting doctors in the EEA to issue prescriptions, who were subject to their own separate regulatory authorities, and then the prescriptions would be dispensed at British pharmacies.

This doesn't apply for certain drugs that are exempted from that agreement. So since last month, it's a criminal offence for any pharmacy in England, Wales or Scotland to fulfil a prescription for GnRH for under 18s, unless the prescription is annotated SLS (so it's for a clinical trial) or if the pharmacy can verify the prescription isn't for gender dysphoria.

However these restrictions do not apply to Northern Ireland. This is because the law that allows the Health Secretary to issue orders banning medication, the Medicines Act 1968, is devolved in Northern Ireland (I'm not entirely clear why - possibly something to do with the Northern Ireland protocol and/or Brexit). Therefore the Health Secretary could only issue a ban covering Great Britain, and the Northern Irish Health Secretary would have to issue one separately to cover Northern Ireland.

The last Northern Irish Health Minister, Robin Swann, indicated he wanted to ban them too, but Stormont had elections right as this ban was happening and it seems to have slipped out of the priority list with the new one - in part because the one children's gender identity clinic in Northern Ireland ("Knowing Our Identity") stopped prescribing puberty blockers to kids in March 2020, so there wasn't the same goading of "if you ban it in the NHS we'll just go private" that was seen here.

You can collect a prescription from anywhere in the UK, and you can give your consent for someone to collect your prescription for you. This makes sense because if you've got a repeat prescription but need to go to Scotland to visit some family, it'd be stupid if you couldn't file your prescription there, and likewise for people who are bedbound it makes sense that someone else can go get your prescription for you. Normally there's never a scenario where different medicines are legal or illegal to be dispensed in different parts of the UK; the mechanism for banning medications like this is very rarely used and it's probably the first time it's happened since Brexit, so the issue never cropped up before. The law as it was brought in only controls dispensing the medication - possessing and using it is not illegal.

Therefore since Northern Ireland is part of the UK, you're not crossing a national border in the conventional sense to bring "foreign" medicines into the country (and either way they could just do the injection while they're in Northern Ireland). It's a private prescription that was legally sold to you by a British pharmacy, it's just you got someone else to collect it for you. But you can't send it by post if you're not a medical professional or research institution (since there's no way to know if you're just sending someone else your prescription) so the kids would have to go over to Northern Ireland to collect their medications, potentially four times a year given Lupron injections last 3 months,
 
Well, Ms Green has been quite outspoken about her method to bypass the law, so one would hope that, whoever the Northern Irish Health Minister is now, will have a team of people keeping up with the latest bout of child butchering.
 
Nero Fiddled dijo:
Well, Ms Green has been quite outspoken about her method to bypass the law, so one would hope that, whoever the Northern Irish Health Minister is now, will have a team of people keeping up with the latest bout of child butchering.
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That team will be telling him to wait a little bit longer, as the ruling on an appeal for judicial review is due any day now.
Basically TransActual and an unnamed young person have argued that the puberty blockers ban was unlawful on the following grounds:
  1. To pass an emergency act banning medication under the Medicines Act 1968, the Health Secretary must demonstrate there's a significant and imminent risk to public health
    1. They didn't say exactly what the risk was
    2. The Cass Report doesn't say they're a risk to public health, just that there's a lack of evidence that the benefits outweigh the harms to children and so they should be tested more
    3. The Health Secretary at the time basically indicated this was based on personal beliefs/opinions rather than evidence
    4. So it probably didn't meet the criteria for getting banned in this way
  2. If it wasn't an emergency, then there was supposed to be a lengthy years-long consultation process with interested parties with TransActual, which there wasn't, so it shouldn't be banned
  3. A tenuous argument involving Article 4 of the Human Rights Act and concepts of Gillick Competence which basically boil down to "if teenage girls can get The Pill, then they should be able to get puberty blockers" and that it's against their human rights to have their puberty blockers interfered with by parents or the state, and
  4. The harm caused by restricting puberty blockers has caused a lot of suffering and death and is grounds for an immediate reversal in the public health strategy
That last one already got undermined. Basically some "whistleblowers" claim the NHS is covering up a massive surge in suicides among trans kids who were on the books in the Tavistock Clinic in response to the restriction of puberty blockers in 2020. An independent report by Sir James Louis John Appleby CBE FRCP FRCPE FRCPsych (the amount of letters should give you a clue about his importance, he's the senior psychiatrist who leads national suicide prevention strategy) found no such surge. One teenager a year on the books of the Tavistock Clinic killed themselves between 2018/19 - 2023/24 and there was no change after the restriction (it was 3 in the 3 years before and 3 in the 3 years after). He also told activists to knock it off screaming about how all trans people will kill themselves if denied puberty blockers, because that's probably going to convince trans kids they're supposed to try and kill themselves - the standard advice about suicide being contagious in young people.

The ruling on whether or not this goes to judicial appeal will likely come by the end of the month. I'd wager there may be slight grounds for it being upheld purely because of procedural issues (if the law says you can only do it this way if you can demonstrate x, and if you don't demonstrate x you need to go and do procedure y, they're going to make you do procedure y) but that'd most likely lead to a reversal followed by a couple of years of consultation and then banning them again.
 
AssignedEva dijo:
He also told activists to knock it off screaming about how all trans people will kill themselves if denied puberty blockers, because that's probably going to convince trans kids they're supposed to try and kill themselves
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Silly Professor, they already know and that's why they do it.
 
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The ruling has been handed down - no case.
The First Defendant was entitled to conclude that the test in section 62(3) MA 1968 was met. Vulnerable children were being placed on medical pathways which had substantial, albeit unquantified, risks and no or very limited clear benefits. The Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People, chaired by Dr Hilary Cass (“the Cass Review”) recommended that puberty blockers should only be prescribed under a research protocol. However, the First Defendant had no way of enforcing this recommendation on overseas prescribers, who were prescribing in ways that were both unethical and unsafe. Her conclusion that an emergency order was required was a complex assessment, involving the application of clinical judgment, with which the Court should be slow to intervene.
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Basically, the decision to opt out of the consultation process would not normally have been permissible - but because there was so much buzz about "WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET DOCTORS OUTSIDE THE UK TO PRESCRIBE PUBERTY BLOCKERS, YOU CAN'T STOP US!" the Health Secretary was therefore correct to act to ban them completely, and the claims about a breach of Article 8 have never been upheld on the grounds that a country has banned a medication.
 
Puberty blockers will only be prescribed to children attending gender identity services as part of clinical research, NHS England has announced.
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Dr Hilary Cass's report called for a transformation in the model of care for children with gender-related distress.
Currently, if a child seeks medical help, the drugs are one of the options a doctor could offer to help delay the onset of physical changes that do not match a child's gender identity.
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This change will come into effect when new clinics replacing the Gender Identity and Development Service (Gids) begin to open later this year. No patients being treated by the current Gids service will be affected.
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Children and their families will also be "strongly discouraged" from obtaining gender-affirming drugs such as hormones, from "unregulated sources" or online providers.
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Phew, what a relief. They, from now on, will only developmentally stunt and castrate teens for research.
 
Susie's done an interview for a tranny friendly podcast (starts about 23 minutes in but I can't be arsed to edit the other stuff out). She's presenting herself as a modern day Messiah, the 21st Century Queen of Hearts ("Off with their cocks!"). She confirms that Gender GP was sketchy as fuck (should anyone here doubt it)

"There was no clinical oversight of peoples' prescriptions, and blood test reviews and recommendations of changes in treatment."

even when the need for such things was obvious even to a one-time volunteer network admin for the Citizens' Advice Bureau

"I also knew from talking to individual people who had been harmed that there were cases where people hadn't been monitored properly, blood tests hadn't been done or blood tests hadn't been reviewed by somebody who knew what they were doing. My feeling that this would do serious, serious harm and that's why I left."

But she saw a gap in the market

"But at the same time I knew that GenderGP was the only route for under eighteens other than the NHS"

And don't worry, she'll do it differently:

"You don't need to worry. You know you are speaking to a doctor. The doctor who you speak to will prescribe. That will be a based in EU doctor, outside the country so they don't get into trouble, you don't get into trouble and we are using a legal loophole"

Oh. But what about monitoring? Blood tests? Reviews by someone who knows what they're doing?

"autonomy over you own body is something that everyone should have. It's a human right."

Well maybe not. But how did those ideals die in the two short minutes between talking about what GenderGP did and what she's going to do. She then with no awareness adds:

"I'm not leaving kids in the hands of people who don't give a shit about them"

Where in the scale of giving a shit does she place overseas doctors who prescribe solely on the basis of whether the cheque has cleared or not? She then talks about how some families haven't been able to stop crying since big bad Wes Streeting said he supported the ban. I wonder if their kids know that Santa doesn't exist either. She also claims that taking her son to America saved his life. Well apart from all those bits of his cock which ended up in the clinical waste bin.


The podcast then goes on to report on the mess at Gender GP. Apparently most staff were on zero hours contract at £9 an hour. I suppose if Tesco don't want you and MaccieD's don't want you there's not much else around.

 

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Procopius dijo:
Webberley's been struck off. On the "technicality" of having no friends in medicine who will stand up and sign a form saying she's competent.
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I've just read the pdf from the medical practitioners tribunal (MPT) about the case against her
(specifically focusing on a Patient C-a FTM girl who wasn't properly informed about fertility damage. There's patients A & B too whose cases I can *only assume from this document, are basically identical?* nevertheless only C is covered here) :


She had a few scattered and confused emails with the mother, who had doubts over what she said-basically that yeah the kid says she doesn't want kdis but is 11 and can't really comprehend it-
Webberly states that egg harvesting can be done while the kid is on blockers or hormones. Something caught my eye in it was that the mother was kind of taken aback by this assertion, because she herself had been through the IVF procedure.

Which just paints this picture of her having this absolute science experiment child and ideology of children.

Also it's very much accepted as a given several times from different individuals and official bodies, in this doc, that puberty blockers are merely a formality sneaking through the first step on a long continuing path.
They have been knowingly skating around in the grey area of pretending that isn't the case, in order to rush things through without the usual amount of checks and balances, but as we and everyone else know, puberty blockers are very much the start of a full transition.


Also Webberley's being struck off is weird. Her calling it a technicality is even a stretch. She literally just didn't send her shit in, didn't even try. Wether or not she would have had the requisites, who knows, but she probably did it so she would be less responsible while doing the same things, and instead of getting a formal fuck you which could be conceived of as a warning against practice, just gets to slope off into that favourite area of theirs-the grey one.
 
Bye Bye loophole. The new Labour government have extended the ban, both in time, for another three months, and in space to cover Northern Ireland. That rather fucks up Susie's business plan. Maybe she could move to say Spain, and get people to fly out for the day with Easyjet. Maybe her mate Helen could let her stay in one of her spare rooms. Maybe she's even got a spare mansion.

The Government has today renewed a temporary ban on the sale and supply of puberty-suppressing hormones, known as ‘puberty blockers.’

The continuation of the ban applies to the sale or supply of these drugs, prescribed by private UK-registered prescribers for gender incongruence or dysphoria to under 18s not already taking them.

It also prevents the sale and supply of the medicines from prescribers registered in the European Economic Area or Switzerland for any purposes to those under 18.

The government has also extended the order to cover Northern Ireland, following agreement from the Northern Ireland Executive, to come into effect from the 27 August.
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AssignedEva dijo:
The Northern Irish Health Secretary, Mike Nesbitt, is tweeting up a storm about it at the moment
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BBC article on Micky who he is arguing with.
The next lord mayor of Belfast is set to be Alliance councillor Micky Murray.
Mr Murray says he is committed to creating a more "inclusive" city and describes himself as "the very first openly gay lord mayor that we've ever had".
The position in Belfast is largely ceremonial and dates back to 1892.
Mr Murray is set to replace Sinn Féin's Ryan Murphy in the post in June, with the top positions at Belfast City Hall rotating annually.
The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) is due to fill the role of deputy lord mayor in June.
Speaking on Good Morning Ulster on Tuesday, Mr Murray said his sexuality was relevant in his new political role.
"For my community it does matter," he said.
"For years there weren't minorities represented in local politics and local politics should represent the communities that we're elected to represent
"I want to work with as many LGBT organisations as possible to figure out the voice that they have and what they expect from Belfast City Council."

Mr Murray, 32, works in a constituency office for Alliance and has served on Belfast City Council since 2022.
There was a complaint about one of his social media posts in 2017 when he was pictured wearing the lord mayor's chain, even though he was not a councillor at the time.
He wrote beside the picture: "My first act as First Gay of Belfast is banning the DUP from the city and making rainbows compulsory."
At the time the DUP criticised the Facebook post and called it a "misjudgement".

Asked about the post at City Hall as he prepares to don the mayoral chain for real in June, Mr Murray played down the incident.
"That was quite clearly a joke. It was on my personal Facebook page," he said,
"I have a very good track record of working with councillors from across all parties whether it be on constituency issues or council-wide issues, and I think everyone understood that it was a joke."
It was put to him that the DUP might not regard it as a joke, and may be concerned about unfair treatment from the new lord mayor.
"I don't think they've got anything to worry about," he said.

​

Looking ahead to his 12 months in office, Mr Murray said he felt he could bring "something new" to the role.
He said: "One hundred and thirty years' history of the lord mayor position and we've never had someone who's openly LGBT.
"I think that's something that I bring to the role, some representation of a community that's never been represented in that role.
"Belfast as a whole is quite a progressive city. There's so much happening in the city around LGBT rights.
"It's a very small minority of people who need to change their views and their attitudes towards the LGBT community."
Mr Murray said his focus would be on showing that Belfast is an inclusive, active and caring city.
"My background before politics was in the homeless sector and I really want to use this as an opportunity to highlight the great work that's going on in our homeless sector," he said.
Alliance have 11 councillors out of 60 on the council.
Previous mayors from the party have included Kate Nicholl, Nuala McAllister, current party leader Naomi Long and her husband Michael.
The first Alliance mayor was David Cook in 1978.
He was the first non-unionist to hold the job since Northern Ireland was established in 1921.
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