Suicide Squad - Shit reviews, Jared Leto is mad because he only got 8 minutes of screen time

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I'd only agree if we're talking fine in the sense of the movie being successful or the possibility of Ragnarok being an okay film. Other then that Thor has been botched in terms of the character and his mythos in previous MCU films. They turned him into a RomCom character and dropped the magical half of Asgard in favor of exclusively sci-fi and Asgard becoming a viking themed Krypton. On the other hand, I wonder if the changes were them being afraid of confusing people with how Asgard is literally a "living story" and the product of human thoughts. They're more like the Eternals then the Asgardians.

Thor 3 is going to be fine. They listened, and it sounds like a good movie so far. There's no love interest since Portmans out, and Jeff Goldblooms in it I think.

I would worry more about Wonder Woman next year, it seems like a disaster so far since WW's actress can't act for shit and Snyders involved somehow.
 
I don't have hopes for Wonder Woman. Everyone's looking forward for it, but after DC's shitting out three bad films, I doubt a fourth one will change things...The reception to this film if it goes bad will be glorious though. Imagine the feminists/MRAs from Ghostbuster but 100% more.

What's funny is that for years, Marvel was regarded as the "realistic" company since their stories tended to be more serious in tone along with the entire X-Men line dealing with issues like racism and discrimination; while DC was seen as the more idealistic and hopeful company (not that dark, fucked up shit didn't happen in DC). Now you have the Marvel Cinematic Universe which is, overall I think, rather hopeful and even inspirational; which is in contrast to the DC films which feel like they were written by the edgy "xtrme" writers of 90s Marvel.

Funny how the tables have turned out, right? Although DC went through a dark and edgy shitter since the mid 2000s and doesn't seem to get out of it till now.

This is a universe where Batman kills dozens of criminals, and Superman is less protector and more of a compact Godzillia. If they really wanted to do their own movie that was like Guardians, either remake the Green Lantern (and make it well enough that people would want to see a Lantern Corp. film) or make a Martian Manhunter movie. Replace Cyborg with the Manhunter, because I know the DC approved script is going to be a gritty Iron Man...so terrible

They won't take out Cyborg, ya know, diversity and all. They could easily replace him with John Stewart Green Lantern and have Martian, but I think for the massive Hal Jordan fanboys that's too much asking.

It's super ironic that D.C. wants to go for "darker and edgier" hero movies, yet cut out Joker and Harely's abusive part of the relationship.

Don't wanna get on the feminists' bad side, considering SJWs are the only ones sitting down watching Suicide Squad...
 
I actually liked it. I liked how Batman and the Flash briefly showed up, that felt true to the whole comic book thing, in the way that characters make appearances in other characters comics. I liked leto and the rest of the cast alot. I don't think it deserved a 29%, I would put it somewhere with Deadpool. It had the flaw that Guardians and Deadpool did, where the villain isn't really that built up, but the main characters make up for it. So I would say it was decent, not the trainwreck some made it out to be.
 
What a classic example of a good movie screwed in the editing room. After Batman V Superman, I HOPED Warner Bros learned their lesson about ordering reshoots and reedits to perfectly fine movies, but I guess not.

I wish I knew why executives think they know how to make movies better than the professionals they hire and pay to make movies.
 
Just saw it with my friend.
  • The editing felt very Sucker Punch-y, especially at the beginning.
  • Will Smith was Will Smithing it up with his more "tough guy with a heart" character archetype, but it was a decent performance.
  • Harley Quinn was honestly the worst character for me, plus her accent was really inconsistent. I know she's crazy, but still. Her look was fine and that's it. Give me Tara Strong any day.
  • Everyone else on the team was really underutilised. Diablo unfairly felt like a plot device who only did something major in the climax, Killer Croc mostly growled, Katana was probably the most tacked on (apart from Slipknot who had expendable written all over him) and Captain Boomerang's main thing was threatening to leave. I kind of hope some of these guys get the Deadpool treatment in the future.
  • Enchantress was an okay threat/villain and I personally think she has a more interesting design in this movie than what I've seen of her comic counterpart.
  • Jared Leto's Joker was just Eddie Redmayne in Jupiter Ascending, and I was waiting all through the film for him to slap her or try to shoot her, but that was probably just because Harley annoyed me so much. Also the teeth weren't doing anything for me.
  • The additional cast was alright. The boss woman, June's boyfriend and the superhero cameos were rather good, but Deadshot's daughter was your typical child star level of mediocre. At least she wasn't Jaden, I suppose.
Got a few chuckles here and there (the scene where they suit up comes to mind) and it made me interested in learning more about these characters like the original X-Men trilogy (which also suffered from underutilising characters), but to me it's just a meh popcorn movie with a lot of action.
 
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I actually liked it. I liked how Batman and the Flash briefly showed up, that felt true to the whole comic book thing, in the way that characters make appearances in other characters comics. I liked leto and the rest of the cast alot. I don't think it deserved a 29%, I would put it somewhere with Deadpool. It had the flaw that Guardians and Deadpool did, where the villain isn't really that built up, but the main characters make up for it. So I would say it was decent, not the trainwreck some made it out to be.
I haven't seen Suicide Squad (or Deadpool for that matter) but what made GotG fun (in addition to a cast of great main characters) was good pacing and the fact that it didn't take itself too seriously. If SS is anything like Man of Steel, what really made MoS fall apart was its broken pacing and long, drawn-out fight scenes. I would love to see a MoS fan recut where someone reassembled the existing film into a shorter, better film.
 
I thought it was paced pretty well, as in it didn't drag. I think some people complained about the excessive flashbacks, but I was fine with that. My only criticism really is that the villain was a little generic.
 
People always call Marvel movies "cheesy fun" but there's not really anything cheesy about them. They're usually a little more lighthearted and characters like to razz each other but they're never goofy. The only ones kind of like that were Deadpool and Guardians. Frankly, Man of Steel was far cheesier than any Marvel movie I've seen because of the dumb plot and even dumber action. Seriously, the fight scenes made me feel like I was watching Advent Children but even more exceptional.

I liked Nolan's take on Batman well enough because Batman as a character lends himself well to darker and more cerebral narratives. Not that other characters don't; Tony Stark is just as damaged as Bruce Wayne. But "dark" is so synonymous with Batman's personality it's literally one of his epithets. And even Nolan's movies knew when to lighten up a bit. They weren't written by someone who thinks shooting a beloved character in the head is "fun".

Besides the Nolan films (which have significant problems in themselves), I can't remember when there was a DC superhero movie I really enjoyed. Superman Returns blew chunks and one of the many, many problems was trying to wedge it into the Christopher Reeve Superman universe as a replacement third movie for Superman III and IV. Green Lantern could've been decent. With some fairly minor writing and story changes (as well as getting rid of the CGI mask), it could've been like Fantastic Four 2005, which still would've had major problems but still enjoyable, something Green Lantern couldn't even achieve.
 
What a classic example of a good movie screwed in the editing room. After Batman V Superman, I HOPED Warner Bros learned their lesson about ordering reshoots and reedits to perfectly fine movies, but I guess not.

I wish I knew why executives think they know how to make movies better than the professionals they hire and pay to make movies.

I'd watch an entire movie of Christian Bale freaking the fuck out on the set like he was the director or something.
 
I'd watch an entire movie of Christian Bale freaking the fuck out on the set like he was the director or something.

If you like on-set freakouts, read up about Klaus Kinski, especially regarding his relationship with Werner Herzog.

Wikipedia dijo:
Herzog's first choice for the role of Aguirre was actor Klaus Kinski. The two had met many years earlier when the then-struggling young actor rented a room in Herzog’s family apartment, and Kinski’s often terrifying and deranged antics during the three months he lived there left a lasting impression on the director. Years later, Herzog remembered the volatile actor and knew that he was the only possible man who could play the mad Aguirre, and he sent Kinski a copy of the screenplay. "Between three and four in the morning, the phone rang," Herzog recalled. "It took me at least a couple of minutes before I realized that it was Kinski who was the source of this inarticulate screaming. And after an hour of this, it dawned on me that he found it the most fascinating screenplay and wanted to be Aguirre."

From the beginning of the production, Herzog and Kinski argued about the proper manner to portray Aguirre. Kinski wanted to play a "wild, ranting madman", but Herzog wanted something "quieter, more menacing". In order to get the performance he desired, before each shot Herzog would deliberately infuriate Kinski. After waiting for the hot-tempered actor's inevitable tantrum to "burn itself out", Herzog would then roll the camera.

On one occasion, irritated by the noise from a hut where cast and crew were playing cards, the explosive Kinski fired three gunshots at it, blowing the tip off one extra's finger. Subsequently, Kinski started leaving the jungle location (over Herzog's refusal to fire a sound assistant), only changing his mind after Herzog threatened to shoot first Kinski and then himself.
 
I haven't seen this movie yet (I'll just wait till it becomes avalible via online streaming) but I heard that Leto Joker's laugh was very reminiscent of the Circus of Values machine from Bioshock. Is that true?
Here's a vid
 
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I still can't believe they actually went there.


(Harley legit says the normal washing machine shit for people who haven't seen the movie)
 
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