Stranger Things

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actually, they did walk it back.
There's a reason the very last reveal is that Henry was mindfucked by the Dimension X/Mindflayer Stone, the reason he rejects redemption is simple, he has nothing to reject it for, his entire life from that point on was miserable for him, and he did stunningly evil things while "Mind Flayed", this is the reason they cut to the burning fucking crib, "Henry" more or less no longer exists and hasn't for a long time, and the revelation brought back some ofhis childhood innocence, which was immediately confronted by decades of being about as evil as person could ever be.

This is why he simply weeps tears of despair and guilt instead of any anger while in his mindspace while talking to Will, and responds in a way different tone than before, for Henry, all that is left is giving in to the Flayer and committing to the horror, and this is VERY likely the reason he and the Mindflayer lost the big fight, he simply wasn't "in it" anymore, sure he fought it out and was willing to do as the Flayer wanted, but he was now completely mind fucked, this to me is the only good aspect of the Finale.. he really was Mind Flayed the whole time, and there was absolutely no good part of his life to turn to, to reject that Eldritch entity, unlike Will or anyone else.
Nah, they did. That’s why I said they are co-primary-antagonists. The big reveal isn’t that Henry was just a tool all along, he is explicitly the main target that our heroes need to beat with the Mind Flayer going down basically as soon as Vecna is impaled and with all the flashbacks as Joyce tries to behead him for almost a minute laying the blame for all the bad stuff happening squarely at his feet. They wink slightly at the idea of the Mind Flayer ackshually being in control but in the end the story’s final goal is explicitly beating Vecna not “OK so we killed the psychic psychopath now what the fuck do we do with the Eldritch abominations that were controlling him?” despite the pretence at walking back the Duffers’ stupidity in introducing Vecna/Henry in the first place.
 
I've never seen this show before Season 5. My boyfriend watches it, so I experienced S5 while I did my own thing in the same room. Last night I agreed to watch the finale with him. Here's my perspective as a non-fan...

Genuinely one of the worst and most infuriating things I've seen in a long time. The writing was so bad and cringeworthy, and not in an ironic "hey guys we're kinda cheesy cause the 80s" type way either. UNFUNNY. So many characters with annoying faces. Bower's character was the only tolerable part, but only when he was human. None of what I wasted 2 hours on last night makes any sense. And the CGI? I could go on. I can't stand Millie's botox face. Who told her she needs that at 21?

My condolences to longtime fans that are dealing with this steaming pile right now. I believe you when you say it used to be good. I'm sorry you had to watch yet another promising show fall to the siren song of "everything must be homosex." Budget went up, quality went down.

The people I see simping for S5 are merely coping because of their emotional attachment to the show. I get it, but give it a couple years and they'll suddenly realize how bad it was. The downfall of Stranger Things must be studied.
Gotta give props to Jamie Campbell Bower, I think he is a phenomenal actor and so much more talented than the rest of the cast.
I agree. I've been a fan for many years.
 
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Hahah she was the mean grandma who gets out of the car and make mean faces and give orders while being a complete failure

Someone said that the show just adds random plots to progress and don’t address them later on so the whole military thing is for el to find kali and for her to sacrifice herself or just die whatever version you choose to believe

Can't wait for the scene in the spinoff where Will is dying of AIDs in a hospital bed.
I mentioned this before, but since he got his powers from Vecna and was part of the hive mind, shouldn’t he have died with Vecna or at least been injured? And does he still have any powers? He probably got aids when he was raped by vecna lol
 
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Nah, they did. That’s why I said they are co-primary-antagonists.
its pretty explicit that Henry just thinks he's in control, but "his" plan is to merge The Abyss with our world, which is just, as always the "Flayers" desires, Henry is so completely mind buck broken that he really thinks and believes hes of one mind with it, there's a VERY obvious reason he's crying tears of pure guilt and despair in that scene, instead of just accepting the past since.. if he's so inherently evil, it would have no sadness or regret for him, his first kill, but this memory, with the obvious implication that he's not in control, and all the awful shit he did, was largely influenced by this thing is just too much to except, and impossible for someone in his position to overcome.

When the vast majority of one's life is thralled to some higher eldritch being, there really isn't a "you" to fight it, all of who Henry is, is just the Mindflayer, since only up to him being like 9 was ever really him, Henry is the most horrific of all its victims, especially since no one will ever care (except maybe Will), because his crimes were so horrific, it isn't like even if he fought back it would matter, he's clearly more Alien Goop than man, as all his "man" bits are rotting skeletal remains, he has nothing left, and is nothing left, than what's presented, and all he can do before beginning the violence, is weep and rationalize.

its the only good scene in the Finale and the only one with some good writing and ambiguity.
 
Those dungeon walls on the game table are from a company called Dwarven Forge. They didn't come out until 1996. I have some of those pieces as well.

Edit for the year it came out.
 
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Gotta point one big thing out about the big battle in the finale: It was so nice of Vecna to give the Demodogs, bats, and other creatures a day off! What a nice boss.
Are we supposed to presume that the democreatures were melded together to make the Mindflayer's physical spider body? Like the rats and people goop body in season 3? Because that's the only thing that kind of makes sense as to why the demos weren't around. Though why the fuck the Mindflayer would want a killable spider body, I don't know.
 
its pretty explicit that Henry just thinks he's in control, but "his" plan is to merge The Abyss with our world, which is just, as always the "Flayers" desires, Henry is so completely mind buck broken that he really thinks and believes hes of one mind with it, there's a VERY obvious reason he's crying tears of pure guilt and despair in that scene, instead of just accepting the past since.. if he's so inherently evil, it would have no sadness or regret for him, his first kill, but this memory, with the obvious implication that he's not in control, and all the awful shit he did, was largely influenced by this thing is just too much to except, and impossible for someone in his position to overcome.

When the vast majority of one's life is thralled to some higher eldritch being, there really isn't a "you" to fight it, all of who Henry is, is just the Mindflayer, since only up to him being like 9 was ever really him, Henry is the most horrific of all its victims, especially since no one will ever care (except maybe Will), because his crimes were so horrific, it isn't like even if he fought back it would matter, he's clearly more Alien Goop than man, as all his "man" bits are rotting skeletal remains, he has nothing left, and is nothing left, than what's presented, and all he can do before beginning the violence, is weep and rationalize.

its the only good scene in the Finale and the only one with some good writing and ambiguity.
No offense but I think you might be projecting your own view of what the overall intention is vs. what's on screen.

I mean we literally get Henry saying that he could've fought back if he wanted to but he didn't at any point. Not to mention the implication of Henry violently bashing that dude's head in with a rock (albeit after getting shot first) is that he was always unhinged to a degree. The Abyss "merge" is a plot point that's basically copied from 2015's Fantastic Four movie and it doesn't really make sense whether as Henry's motivation or the Flayer's (if this was their endgame plan all along, why not just do it way back in season 4?) not to mention that the "good guys" treat Vecna as the end-all-be-all and the Mind Flayer basically dies as soon as Vecna does which doesn't really make sense if you assume that the Flayer is in control. I suspect that by the time the Duffers decided to walk back the whole "Vecna is Le Big Bad" shtick, most of the season was probably already filmed so they had to go back and shove stuff in to make that work but they half-assed it so we get one little "oh BTW Mind Flayer was the big cheese all along" reference at the very end which ends up never being relevant again. I mean shit, when Hopper asks Dustin what's going on, Dustin's response is to declare "the noseless bastard is toast" and there's no real mention of the Flayer or his supposed control over Henry.
 
I mean we literally get Henry saying that he could've fought back if he wanted to but he didn't at any point
he says this, with tears running down his eyes, also the ENTIRE point of why he's terrified of his cave memories and why it brings him anguish is because he killed a man, and was then controlled by an entity, and that entity buried the memory of it, and even the idea of it haunts him, if he were inherently evil, the cave memories would mean nothing to him, its not traumatic as it would just be the start of his great "becoming".

the entire plot of the series involving him as "Vecna" is that he targets kids because they are malleable and controllable, they can be broken easier, which is made ironic as he was done just that, even the speech Cop Dad gives to Eleven can be directed at him, but unlike Eleven, Henry didn't have friends or a Cop dad and simply had given in to the evil in his head from the Flayer.

And no, the Flayer is not dead, that was just another physical body made for it, the FLayer is the black mist shit, it needs psychics to give it form and coherent thought to channel through, through Henry, it forges a body made out of the Demogorgon's and shit native to that world to inhabit but it itself is bodiless, this is why its essence makes kids that have psychic potential gain psychic powers, out of necessity because they are needed for it to be true physical threat, its not a big ass Spider, that's just Henry's shaping of it.
No one's going to feel bad for Henry because he did awful shit and none of them have any idea the context of why he became that way, except Will, and in the end, it doesn't matter, Henry submits to the Mindflayer, you can say he did it willingly, but its very obvious to me, he did it because he felt he had nothing else and believed he was as evil as it made him, ain't no Cop dad to give him Eggo Waffles when he was 12.
 
I've never seen this show before Season 5. My boyfriend watches it, so I experienced S5 while I did my own thing in the same room. Last night I agreed to watch the finale with him. Here's my perspective as a non-fan...

Genuinely one of the worst and most infuriating things I've seen in a long time. The writing was so bad and cringeworthy, and not in an ironic "hey guys we're kinda cheesy cause the 80s" type way either. UNFUNNY. So many characters with annoying faces. Bower's character was the only tolerable part, but only when he was human. None of what I wasted 2 hours on last night makes any sense. And the CGI? I could go on. I can't stand Millie's botox face. Who told her she needs that at 21?

My condolences to longtime fans that are dealing with this steaming pile right now. I believe you when you say it used to be good. I'm sorry you had to watch yet another promising show fall to the siren song of "everything must be homosex." Budget went up, quality went down.

The people I see simping for S5 are merely coping because of their emotional attachment to the show. I get it, but give it a couple years and they'll suddenly realize how bad it was. The downfall of Stranger Things must be studied.

I agree. I've been a fan for many years.
As someone who watched the entire series, but always thought it was overrated and not even close to being a "great" show ...

I would still say that the first season is worth watching. The story is contained enough to stand pretty strongly on its own. Before season 5, I would have said that season 4 was the show redeeming itself after two lackluster seasons ... But considering that season 4 now relies on how season 5 continues it ... No. Season 4 sucks now too. lol.
 
I got so fucking bored watching this finale not even 20-30 minutes in.

Stuff that stuck out to me:
-More characters should’ve died and gruesomely so.
-Nancy outsprinting a Godzilla sized multi-limbed kaiju was fucking goofy.
-Too many characters having gay little one-on-ones.
-a 10 year old fat kid out-pulling a grown being made of pure muscular flesh tentacles.
-Too much crying for the sake of crying. Holy fuck why is everyone always crying like little bitches.
-“Marvel slop” is highly accurate
-Mind Flayer was retarded and weirdly weak??
-Where are all the creatures?
-Duffer faggots too pussy to keep Eleven definitively dead.


This show grew from a small horror series to melo-dramatic marvel slop. That’s all it’ll ever be now, let’s move on to the new shitty slop we’ll be served in 2026.
 
Tried watching it from where I left off, and fell asleep 20 minutes in. This season is impossible. Everyone is picking on the gay boy character, but Maya Hawke ruins it for me.
 
Are we supposed to presume that the democreatures were melded together to make the Mindflayer's physical spider body? Like the rats and people goop body in season 3? Because that's the only thing that kind of makes sense as to why the demos weren't around. Though why the fuck the Mindflayer would want a killable spider body, I don't know.

The show doesn't even bother to explain it one way or another, lol.

It's like "Whatever, big cool monster and big fight so you can clap at the good guys. Don't even think about it even though we've spent this entire season of the characters giving exposition dump after exposition dump."
 
Worst thing about Eleven's ending is they try to make it ambiguous as to whether or not she is actually alive, but it makes no fucking sense either way. How does she escape the fucking truck when the military immediately surrounded it? If she really was an illusion, how does she somehow still get to the gate unnoticed by everyone else and then successfully hide when the military was playing the frequency sound from the speakers that immediately paralyzed her earlier in the episode? How has Kali not fucking bled out already by the time Vecna has been defeated? How can Kali create an illusion alone from literally miles away? How does an 18-year-old with no passport, no ID and no money somehow flee to another country? Eleven is also still painfully awkward and would stick out like a sore thumb in that village.
 
Several people throughout the show gave great performances in my opinion, it's just a shame that either they stopped getting things to do, or the writing they had to act out fucking sucked.
Oh for sure! I meant more so that his acting was better than everyone else's in S5, but to your point it's largely because no one else had anything to do. Joyce and Jonathan in S1 were phenomenal and made me cry. David Harbour is also good, especially with his heavy, emotional speeches about his daughter and Vietnam. I also loved Matthew Modine but that might be because he's always so dapper.

There's definitely some great talent wasted because the Duffers wrote themselves into a corner and had too many characters.

Like others have said, it seemed like a lot of the actors were phoning it in in S5 and I honestly can't blame them.
 
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