Stranger Things

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Okay. So ...

I never want to hear a Stranger Things fan lecture me about how "cheesy" Cobra Kai is ever again. Yes, I've seen hardcore Stranger Things fans say stuff like "I couldn't get into Cobra Kai, it got too cheesy for me" in the midst of praising Stranger Things. :story:

As far as my investment goes with shows, I totally bet on the right horse by caring about Cobra Kai more. Better writing/storytelling, better 80s nostalgia, better kid actors, better payoff, and now an infinitely better ending that actually landed, etc ...

I'm going to hold onto Cobra Kai for a while here. It's been almost a year since that show ended, and I'm just thankful that it provided a more than satisfying conclusion. I don't think I'm going to get that with a show again anytime soon because most media these days is just plain garbage.

The final season of Stranger Things is hilariously terrible. I would hate it less if someone had just trimmed the whole season down by at least 2/3rds. :lol:
 
LonelyEggRoll dijo:
1. Why did Vecna need those kids?
2. What happened to the pregnant women that were being experimented on?
3. What happened to Murray and Robin’s girlfriend?
4. Did they just leave the fat kid Derek’s family tied up in the barn?
5. Why didn’t Hopper and Joyce remember they went to school and even put on a play with Henry (this is part of the plot of the stage play). Joyce calls Vecna Henry in the finale, so she knows he is Henry Creel, the boy she went to school with.
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1. Because kids are easy to groom and take over, when he has control of them he can amplify his power and weaken the boarder walls at a faster pace. This was explained too many times in the shows, it was painful.

2. They never said, they needed more time to say all the plot points again rather than do anything interesting. I like to think they all died.

3. Like point 2, never said. Wouldn't be shocked if they filmed something, but at 2 hours, they had to cut some shit. But did anyone watching even like Murray enough to care what happened to him?

4. Much like points 2 and 3. I have a feeling the writers knew there was no way they could write a good way out of that which 1. didn'tmake the characters look even worse by keeping the family hostage until it was all over, or 2. that would see all of them put in jail for kidnapping or 3. super retarded, like putting them all back in bed in the death trap house.

5. No reason given. Guess the showrunners didn't want to spend time on that, or maybe they cut all that shit back when they got back footage of deaged Winona Ryder and saw how bad it looked.


Here is another issue. How they hell do they get off with all the military personnel they have killed. Even just the ones they killed outside the upside down, would get them heavy jail time. Do the military just let them go after upside down is closed?
 
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I gave up on this show after season 3 which I thought was a complete turd (season 2 wasn't much better to be fair). Glad to know I was proven right and didn't miss anything of substance by not caring about this franchise after that.
 
I'm so glad I dropped this after season 3. Would've been better if it had just been one season, or maybe an anthology.
 
You can shit in a bucket, add soda to it and watch poop foam for 2h and it would be better then this final episode.
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It's just stupid and retarded. Nothing makes sense, it shows that they had no idea what to do, and went back and forth, and made a mess of things.
Well, like all shits, lets bury this one and never speak of it again.
 
The best part of the finale for me was Henry/One entering the memory he was most scared of. It was very visceral and well acted. Gotta give props to Jamie Campbell Bower, I think he is a phenomenal actor and so much more talented than the rest of the cast.

As others have pointed out, the Duffers really shit the bed on this. It doesn't really make sense in context of the previous seasons. I rewatched all of them and took notes before watching S5, and the amount of plot holes, forgotten threads, and inconsistencies is staggering. I loved S1 and S2. S3 is enjoyable and I liked S4 because of Henry/One and Eleven backstory.

Henry getting his powers from an interdimensional rock(?) is dumb. In S4, I thought they were alluding to Henry being sensitive/psychicically gifted and the Mind Flayer reaching him as a result since the veil is thin in Hawkins. But no, it's a space rock(?) from the Mind Flayer's planet. It's so much more interesting to me if the Upside Down is a dark reflection of our world (as described in S1) and not a wormhole that's not a wormhole. How did the Demos even get to the Upside Down from the Abyss? Surely they would have died from the fall damage? The whole plan in S5 is to wait until Henry/One brings the Abyss close enough to climb through the gate because it's literally in the sky, so how would the Demos have gotten down?? The Mind Flayer?

Also very lame how the Upside Down went from this hostile, dangerous place that would kill you if you were there too long in S1, to a place you can casually enter and leave with no repercussions.
 
My questions:

1. How did they survive in the helicopter when the truck driver that smuggled stuff threw a grenade on it
2. Where is dustin gf and the pizza guy who is brown and has long dark hair it seems like dustin only cares about eddie and it seems so forced
3. Why didn't the mind flayer put up a fight and spawn the rest of it's monsters like the demagorgon
4. Very inconsistent demagorgon interaction they can one shot a trained army but struggle against a middle aged woman with a wine bottle holly mom
5. Why didn't Will die when he killed vecna if he is also part of the hivemind he should at least get hurt
6. Poojeeta implied that because they have power her and el must die but the faggot also have power so why wasn't he included
7. The dad and mom barely got attention from their kids after surviving the attack
8. The "heroes" drugged and kidnapped a family to execute a suicidal plan and they were never mentioned before
9. The "heroes" murdered the army in the upside down but they get to walk away free and even hopper stays as the police chief
10. MBB barely had any facial expression and she looked unmotivated like she was doing it just to finish it and just for the paycheck
11. Mike's actor also was awful and couldn't act his final moment with el was void of any emotions
12. The illusion bullet scene should have been less confusing
13. How did Henry get tricked by poojeeta while he has the same power and is even more powerful
14. A big tone shift from a mystery in a small town to this unknown responsible for saving the world while no one else seem to notice
15. How did Max see again while also graduating
16. The only happy couple are the interracial one
17. Why did the battle take like 10 minutes with no twist and a convenient killing spot
18. Why did they rely on the play so much instead of focusing on the last seasons
 
Mayoush dijo:
16. The only happy couple are the interracial one
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I called that one earlier in the thread. It's Netflix after all.
Every character left alive so that they have everyone available for potential sequels and spinoff shows in the future.

What was the point of Linda Hamilton's character? They didn't even bother to kill her off, did they?
 
Red Snapper dijo:
The best part of the finale for me was Henry/One entering the memory he was most scared of. It was very visceral and well acted. Gotta give props to Jamie Campbell Bower, I think he is a phenomenal actor and so much more talented than the rest of the cast.
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Several people throughout the show gave great performances in my opinion, it's just a shame that either they stopped getting things to do, or the writing they had to act out fucking sucked.
Mayoush dijo:
10. MBB barely had any facial expression and she looked unmotivated like she was doing it just to finish it and just for the paycheck
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I saw someone say she had Botox, and while I have no idea if that's true, it fucking tracks well enough that I'd believe. That and she's just a shitty actress. I can't believe 5 seasons of TV was built around an actor with zero acting skill.
 
Gotta point one big thing out about the big battle in the finale: It was so nice of Vecna to give the Demodogs, bats, and other creatures a day off! What a nice boss. :lol:

Seriously, where were the other monsters though? We all know that they were left out of the finale because the kids wouldn't have stood a chance had they been there. Multiple characters might have ... *gasp* been horrifically injured or died in this HORROR TV SERIES, and we can't have that!

Terrrrrible writing. Ugh.

No, it's more than just terrible writing. The final few seasons of Game of Thrones are a prime example of total, hilarious ineptitude. The finale to Stranger Things, though ... It's not just ineptitude, it's cowardice. The Duffer Brothers were like "how do we make the most inoffensive, unchallenging, and agreeable to everyone finale there is?" when approaching this story. It is obvious that this final episode appealed to the lowest common denominator demographic. I'm sure that YouTube reactors will find it brilliant, or something.

Pro-tip: Don't write horror if you are too attached to your own main characters, especially when there are 50 of them.

Harry Potter and Avengers: Endgame (media created for literal children) had so much more meat than this. Sure, there's lots of people on copium about how bad this show ended, but give it time. Stranger Things is going to become nothing more than a fart in the wind and will be widely forgotten in the next few years.

Literally the only things about this season that made me smile are Steve's ending, and Delightful Derek (I can relate to telling these annoying characters to suck a fat one too lol).
 
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StarkRavingMad dijo:
. The Duffer Brothers were like "how do me make the most inoffensive, unchallenging, and agreeable to everyone finale there is?" when approaching this story. It is obvious that this final episode appealed to the lowest common denominator demographic. I'm sure that YouTube reactors will find it brilliant, or something.
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That is the biggest problem with modern Hollywood. Everything is written for ''modern audiences'' who are the biggest Reddit surfing fucking pussies on the planet. God forbid one of their heckin' wholesome chungus characters meets a grim end.
 
Maker's Mark dijo:
That is the biggest problem with modern Hollywood. Everything is written for ''modern audiences'' who are the biggest Reddit surfing fucking pussies on the planet. God forbid one of their heckin' wholesome chungus characters meets a grim end.
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I'm a huge fan of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul
In Better Call Saul's final season, one of my favorite characters, Howard (literally the most innocent character), met the most unfair and grim ending of any character in the Breaking Bad universe and it pissed me off and it felt horrible when it happened ... In a good way, though.

And, one of the characters who was greatly unlikable and uncharismatic, Chuck, had a really tragic end to his story that legit made me feel sad for him despite not liking him ... And at the end of the day, he was right about a lot of things.

I'm giving examples of good, compelling, and challenging writing. There's no nuance or thought-provoking stuff like this in Stranger Things, and yet so many people call it one of the greatest shows ever. Oy. lol.

And I've already praised Cobra Kai in this thread, but I'll mention it again: Cobra Kai went for the super happy and inspiring ending (like so many sports movies do), but there were sacrifices made by some characters to make that ending happen, and the mega happy ending was MORE than earned because of what the characters worked for and went through ... It was proper payoff, which is the bare minimum with adept storytelling.

The Stranger Things finale ... Like, Vecna and the Mind Flayer were easier to defeat than Billy from Season 3. It's laughable and it's terrible, lol.
 
Maker's Mark dijo:
Can't wait for the scene in the spinoff where Will is dying of AIDs in a hospital bed.
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Naw, sequel series where everyone comes back together to figure out how Will died, only to learn that he wasn't killed by anything supernatural, just a MAGA klansman, and then the show stops for a whole 30 minutes to explain why racism and homophobia is le bad, and sucking dick is updoot worthy.
 
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