🐱 ‘Stranger Things’ Creators Pressured Children to Kiss

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/stran...sured-child-actress-into-an-unscripted-kiss-2


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This season of Stranger Things culminates at a Hawkins Middle School “Snow Ball” dance. The wintery wonderland apparently proved a rich source of inspiration for the Duffer brothers, who decided to add a last-minute, unscripted kiss between Lucas (Caleb McLaughlin) and new addition Max (Sadie Sink). While a relatively chaste kiss might seem like fair game for two professional child actors, the circumstances surrounding the scene, which were openly discussed in an episode of Netflix’s Beyond Stranger Things after-show, has raised red flags on social media.

In the relevant clip from Beyond Stranger Things—itself a gimmick that’s only accelerated Stranger Things’ inevitable overexposure—the 15-year-old Sink sits down with her fellow middle school dance attendees and Duffers one and two. Ross Duffer opens a discussion of the kiss by telling a visibly worked-up Sink that the scene was “all [her] own fault.” Sadie points out that “the kiss was not written in the script.” She recalls, “I get there, the first day of Snowball… one of you, I think it was you Ross, you say, ‘Ooh, Sadie, you ready for the kiss?’ I’m like, ‘What! No! That’s not in the script… that’s not happening.’” She continues, “So the whole day I was like stressed out, I was like oh my god, wait, am I gonna have to… and it didn’t happen that day, but then the second day of Snow Ball.” At this point, Duffer explains, “You reacted so strongly to this—I was just joking—and you were so freaked out that I was like well, I gotta make her do it now… that’s why I’m saying it’s your fault.” And no wonder Sink was so “stressed out”; as she goes on to describe, the kiss was filmed in front of a full room of extras, plus “their parents, and the crew, and my mom.”

The entire conversation, in which Sink repeatedly recalls feeling caught off-guard while the Duffers giggle, strikes an odd tone, particularly in light of ongoing conversations in Hollywood regarding the exploitation of underage actors and issues of consent. The Duffers’ response to Sink’s initial pushback against the kiss—to insist upon the unscripted scene and then mine it for laughs during their after-show—feels deeply insensitive, grown men essentially bragging about their decision to ignore a 15-year-old girl’s justified discomfort. As Teen Vogue noted, “Many are now taking to social media to discuss this decision and question why the director didn’t comfort the actress, leave the kiss unscripted, or work with Sadie to capture the scene in a way that was comfortable and worry-free for her.”
 
Sounds like she probably shouldn't be acting if she can't handle acting, that's on the parents for having her act if she can't take it and on the filmmakers for not being up front about something like this. Absurd to talk about an on-screen kiss at a school dance like it's Larry Clark Kids 2.
 
The kiss between Eleven and Mike was needed and was probably scripted (I mean, he's been talking to her for 352 days, it would have been weird for them not to). That's the only kiss that mattered thematically and for the story. Max is a side character with Lucas. The dancing was fine.

I completely agree with this and think the added kiss between Lucas and Max detracted from the focus on Eleven and Mike's kiss, which was far more rewarding to see as a viewer.

But I'll stop short of claiming the Duffers are masochistic pedos. We're well into moral panic territory already with some of these Hollywood accusations, and this is nothing compared to those dubious claims of victimhood. Yes, even though it involves kid actors.

The only impression I got from the Beyond Stranger Things video I saw (just the first of them) is that a young girl was adorably nervous to have a kiss onscreen like any young girl would be. You can read the "revelation" of the Duffer comment as playful and a desire to challenge a young actress to get the right emotion out of the scene. We don't have to go directly to maximum outrage and the worst possible interpretation. (Which nobody would voluntarily admit to, if so, on video.) Again, I think it was a poor decision that diluted the scene's strength, but that's the director's call to make, rightly or wrongly. I'm not about to start morality policing artists like a Christian fundie.

Because I can see that devolving very quickly into a crazy belief that everyone on set has a right to feel good all the time and never be challenged if they're below a certain age. No, they don't. Who said acting was never supposed to be challenging? Imagine the bullshit that would flow from Hollywood once that had been established as an unpardonable sin.

And nobody needs to trust the fucking AV Club to tell us what's "problematic," for Christ sake. These days they're as much a faux outrage outlet as they are anything else. You'll notice they got an "article" out of repeating a small amount of behind the scenes information someone else produced. Internet clickfarming hacks, the lot of them.
 
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Remember when little 10 year old Kirsten Dunst had to kiss adult Brad Pitt and said she hated it and was uncomfortable and everyone was like "dwaaaaw, ain't that cute? She's blushing because she been sexualized. More tongue next time lil darlin"
 
The girl could pretty easily have been anxious because it was her first kiss, and might not have wanted that particular memory to be full of voyeuristic assholes looking on as she kissed some near-stranger for money. Poor kid.
 
The girl could pretty easily have been anxious because it was her first kiss, and might not have wanted that particular memory to be full of voyeuristic assholes looking on as she kissed some near-stranger for money. Poor kid.
Are they voyeuristic assholes or just cast and crew doing their jobs? How did we get from "Duffer is a creep" to "everyone on set is a monster?" Is this super traumatic or something she'll laugh about in a few years?

Even considering the revelations about Hollywood's pervert monsters like Weinstein, why is everybody assuming the worst?
 
Doing your job is following the script. Making up new moves for minors to put on one another while you're filming as an impromptu exercise is not.

It wouldn't even be a question if a teacher added a kiss to a school play and insisted on watching the kids perform it in spite of a 15 year old girl saying she was uncomfortable with it and that it was unscripted, it'd be creepy. It's not less creepy when it's a director. It's more, because of the money and power differential.

If there wasn't a long history of this kind of bullshit happening to girls and women on set, where suddenly something sexual is "sprung" on them to get a "more real reaction," maybe women wouldn't jump to these conclusions. But expecting everyone to act like this kind of situation is just value-neutral and probably fine is ignoring a lot of history.

The few times an actress has specifically said, "oh yeah, a director pushed me into a sexual or romantic act on screen that I was really uncomfortable with but I think it made me a better actress," it ends up turning out the director has been inappropriate to assaulting with several other actresses.

If directors would like people to stop jumping to these conclusions, perhaps they should make sure that the people widely known for this kind of conduct are swiftly pilloried in the press and never allowed to make movies again. Otherwise, it's like saying to the woman whose husband has had 6 affairs, "don't worry, him texting in the middle of the night could be anything." Sure, it's possible, but it's also not unreasonable to worry or investigate further.
 
“Hired professional expected to do job” wasn’t as gripping of a headline.
 
It's all fake news unless it confirms our suspicions about the degeneracy of Hollywood.
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You reacted so strongly to this—I was just joking—and you were so freaked out that I was like well, I gotta make her do it now… that’s why I’m saying it’s your fault.

"Well, you really didn't want to do it so now we have to do it."
 
If directors would like people to stop jumping to these conclusions, perhaps they should make sure that the people widely known for this kind of conduct are swiftly pilloried in the press and never allowed to make movies again. Otherwise, it's like saying to the woman whose husband has had 6 affairs, "don't worry, him texting in the middle of the night could be anything." Sure, it's possible, but it's also not unreasonable to worry or investigate further.

Even openly depraved BD/SM fetishists come to explicit agreements beforehand as to what's allowed and what isn't and what's off-limits.

I think it would be entirely reasonable for there to be industry standards for acting where you agree to what you're going to do up front.

I mean, unless we're really really okay as a society with an industry that has lower standards than rape dungeon fetishists.
 
I had a kiss with my neighbor Laura at summer camp when I was 11 during our production of "The Sound of Music." It seemed harmless at the time but now I remember the leering of the counselors, the way the other campers just stood there, the mocking japes of my sisters... #MeToo #ISurvivedCooties
Happy ending: Facebook indicates that she's doing well, so at least the horror is contained. She appears to still be pretty cute and, I imagine, would not have sex with me.
 
It wouldn't even be a question if a teacher added a kiss to a school play and insisted on watching the kids perform it in spite of a 15 year old girl saying she was uncomfortable with it and that it was unscripted, it'd be creepy. It's not less creepy when it's a director. It's more, because of the money and power differential.
Holy shit, it was a fucking kiss.

Here's the problem as I see it - everyone hears the word 'uncomfortable' in a semi salacious setting and automatically goes into pedo alert mode. But you know what else makes young girls uncomfortable? A bra that doesn't fit. Hugging their parents in front of their friends. Calm down sheesh.
 
Holy shit, it was a fucking kiss.

Here's the problem as I see it - everyone hears the word 'uncomfortable' in a semi salacious setting and automatically goes into pedo alert mode. But you know what else makes young girls uncomfortable? A bra that doesn't fit. Hugging their parents in front of their friends. Calm down sheesh.
That's just proof that their parents are deviant perverts #Staywoke #Pedoplanet2k17
 
I had a kiss with my neighbor Laura at summer camp when I was 11 during our production of "The Sound of Music." It seemed harmless at the time but now I remember the leering of the counselors, the way the other campers just stood there, the mocking japes of my sisters... #MeToo #ISurvivedCooties
Happy ending: Facebook indicates that she's doing well, so at least the horror is contained. She appears to still be pretty cute and, I imagine, would not have sex with me.
Never know unless you give it a try.
 
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