🐱 ‘Stranger Things’ Creators Pressured Children to Kiss

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/stran...sured-child-actress-into-an-unscripted-kiss-2


https://youtu.be/RUk4Vje_mCQ

This season of Stranger Things culminates at a Hawkins Middle School “Snow Ball” dance. The wintery wonderland apparently proved a rich source of inspiration for the Duffer brothers, who decided to add a last-minute, unscripted kiss between Lucas (Caleb McLaughlin) and new addition Max (Sadie Sink). While a relatively chaste kiss might seem like fair game for two professional child actors, the circumstances surrounding the scene, which were openly discussed in an episode of Netflix’s Beyond Stranger Things after-show, has raised red flags on social media.

In the relevant clip from Beyond Stranger Things—itself a gimmick that’s only accelerated Stranger Things’ inevitable overexposure—the 15-year-old Sink sits down with her fellow middle school dance attendees and Duffers one and two. Ross Duffer opens a discussion of the kiss by telling a visibly worked-up Sink that the scene was “all [her] own fault.” Sadie points out that “the kiss was not written in the script.” She recalls, “I get there, the first day of Snowball… one of you, I think it was you Ross, you say, ‘Ooh, Sadie, you ready for the kiss?’ I’m like, ‘What! No! That’s not in the script… that’s not happening.’” She continues, “So the whole day I was like stressed out, I was like oh my god, wait, am I gonna have to… and it didn’t happen that day, but then the second day of Snow Ball.” At this point, Duffer explains, “You reacted so strongly to this—I was just joking—and you were so freaked out that I was like well, I gotta make her do it now… that’s why I’m saying it’s your fault.” And no wonder Sink was so “stressed out”; as she goes on to describe, the kiss was filmed in front of a full room of extras, plus “their parents, and the crew, and my mom.”

The entire conversation, in which Sink repeatedly recalls feeling caught off-guard while the Duffers giggle, strikes an odd tone, particularly in light of ongoing conversations in Hollywood regarding the exploitation of underage actors and issues of consent. The Duffers’ response to Sink’s initial pushback against the kiss—to insist upon the unscripted scene and then mine it for laughs during their after-show—feels deeply insensitive, grown men essentially bragging about their decision to ignore a 15-year-old girl’s justified discomfort. As Teen Vogue noted, “Many are now taking to social media to discuss this decision and question why the director didn’t comfort the actress, leave the kiss unscripted, or work with Sadie to capture the scene in a way that was comfortable and worry-free for her.”
 
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stran...sured-child-actress-into-an-unscripted-kiss-2


https://youtu.be/RUk4Vje_mCQ

This season of Stranger Things culminates at a Hawkins Middle School “Snow Ball” dance. The wintery wonderland apparently proved a rich source of inspiration for the Duffer brothers, who decided to add a last-minute, unscripted kiss between Lucas (Caleb McLaughlin) and new addition Max (Sadie Sink). While a relatively chaste kiss might seem like fair game for two professional child actors, the circumstances surrounding the scene, which were openly discussed in an episode of Netflix’s Beyond Stranger Things after-show, has raised red flags on social media.

In the relevant clip from Beyond Stranger Things—itself a gimmick that’s only accelerated Stranger Things’ inevitable overexposure—the 15-year-old Sink sits down with her fellow middle school dance attendees and Duffers one and two. Ross Duffer opens a discussion of the kiss by telling a visibly worked-up Sink that the scene was “all [her] own fault.” Sadie points out that “the kiss was not written in the script.” She recalls, “I get there, the first day of Snowball… one of you, I think it was you Ross, you say, ‘Ooh, Sadie, you ready for the kiss?’ I’m like, ‘What! No! That’s not in the script… that’s not happening.’” She continues, “So the whole day I was like stressed out, I was like oh my god, wait, am I gonna have to… and it didn’t happen that day, but then the second day of Snow Ball.” At this point, Duffer explains, “You reacted so strongly to this—I was just joking—and you were so freaked out that I was like well, I gotta make her do it now… that’s why I’m saying it’s your fault.” And no wonder Sink was so “stressed out”; as she goes on to describe, the kiss was filmed in front of a full room of extras, plus “their parents, and the crew, and my mom.”

The entire conversation, in which Sink repeatedly recalls feeling caught off-guard while the Duffers giggle, strikes an odd tone, particularly in light of ongoing conversations in Hollywood regarding the exploitation of underage actors and issues of consent. The Duffers’ response to Sink’s initial pushback against the kiss—to insist upon the unscripted scene and then mine it for laughs during their after-show—feels deeply insensitive, grown men essentially bragging about their decision to ignore a 15-year-old girl’s justified discomfort. As Teen Vogue noted, “Many are now taking to social media to discuss this decision and question why the director didn’t comfort the actress, leave the kiss unscripted, or work with Sadie to capture the scene in a way that was comfortable and worry-free for her.”

1.It was a quick, chaste lip-peck: it wasn't like the Duffers were pushing for tongue or some shit.
2. Yeah, of course it was awkward: most actors/actresses describe kissing scenes as a bit awkward even after years of experience. Doesn't make the Duffers' the next Dan Schnider for putting a kiss scene (which was really logical for that part) into the script.
 
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https://www.avclub.com/stranger-things-2-actor-was-pushed-to-do-unscripted-kis-1820161123

Adults that delight in forcing children and teens into these scenarios should be taken out back and shot. It wasn't even in the script, the idea was mentioned and it upset the girl and her anxiety and disagreement fueled their pushing her into doing it needlessly.
 
>having to kiss with a black dude
id be uncomfortable too

E: GODDAMMT
 
Someone else here said it in another thread but: actors being expected to act?!

I think the thing was that it was unscripted and not really important for them to kiss. The fact they are dancing was enough to establish a relationship. The kid is still a minor so she should get a say in what she does or doesn't do. And she's 15? She looks fucking 12. But that's besides the point. If it were a scene with tension and she was scared of something and then you scare the shit out of her to get a natural reaction, sure. Directors do that shit all the time. She might not have kissed any other boys seriously yet and understandably she didn't want her first kiss to be a fake as fuck one in front of strangers and her parents. That's a really shitty thing to do to somebody and not necessary at all. The kiss between Eleven and Mike was needed and was probably scripted (I mean, he's been talking to her for 352 days, it would have been weird for them not to). That's the only kiss that mattered thematically and for the story. Max is a side character with Lucas. The dancing was fine.

Like in Mind Hunters, David Finch didn't introduce the guy that played Ed Kemper to the guy who played Holden. The first time they met was in that scene so he could get the tension and awkwardness of the first conversation with them together. Its easier to get it naturally than try to do it.

But this just speaks of them being cunts. They wanted the first kiss between Max and Lucas to be a bit awkward, but we already knew they were awkward together in the way they were dancing and interacting in the previous scene. You don't need a kiss to do that. Which is why it wasn't scripted.

This speaks of them being assholes and just doing it for a laugh. She is a kid, she shouldn't be pushed into something she didn't sign up for, didn't expect, wasn't needed, and gave her anxiety. Its different if she knew it was coming. It sounds like they sprung it on her last minute. Don't pull that shit.

It's just that in this case it's obvious the chick's discomfort gave whoever was in charge a raging pedoboner.

How many people in Hollywood have humiliation fetishes, jesus fucking christ. The only way these people seem to get off is just abusing and humiliating people. I can't even say women, because it happens to men too. Like humiliating Terry Cruise in front of his wife like that.
 
What is it with movies and televisions that keeps becoming degenerate and horrible behind the scenes?

If you believe Corey Haim, Elijah Wood, and others Hollywood has had a massive pedophile problem for decades but it's largely been ignored due to the huge amount of money and influence in the industry.
 
Maybe if the Mayfields/Hargroves and 11's lost sister weren't 100% irrelevant to the season then this wouldn't be a problem. This season was 5/10 predictable, with forced writing to "expand the universe"/ set up for multiple story line depending on what focus tests the best. This show is now The Walking Dead. Off topic Max's brother Billy was the best comic relief in the season.
Laughed at the scene when he is in the living room; the mullet, wife beater, lifting weights, while smoking a cig and drinking a beer, all the cliches in one moment. Only to be topped by him flirting with Mike's mom. Just the set up of the Mom, in a candle lit bubble bath reading an erotic novel. Only to be forced to answer the door because husband has passed out slouched in his recliner. So the sexually frustrated house wife answers the door to Billy, shirt unbuttoned and smelling of cologne after being forced to abandon a date to find Max. How did a throw away side character/plot device end up more entertaining then the grill it was attached to?
 
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