🤡 Goonclown Steven Bonnell II / Destiny / Destiny.gg - Emotionally Unstable Manchild, Creeps on Teenagers, Incest Supporter, Degenerate Foot Sniffer, Cum Felcher, Gooner

[AnOminous]

Destiny has never cried about the Kiwi Farms, but Nick Fuentes has.

And the worst attacks on the site have been swattings deliberately attributed to us, almost certainly by Fuentes worshipping cocksucking fag shit criminal terrorists.

People need to realize the right is as fucking gay with censorship as lefties.

Both "sides" are shit and want to censor the other "side." Even though the whole politics-as-sportsball bullshit needs to crawl off and die somewhere.

Even the lefties who have defended us, like Greenwald, a literal commie Jew faggot, have been basically ostracized by the left for daring to defend freedom of speech.

 

[skjora]

Someone wants me to 'talk to' Destiny this weekend. Don't know if it will happen, but since he's not friends with Karson anymore I'm more open to it. What should I look out for? I'm not really looking for a debate because I know neither of us are going to change minds on anything.

I would personally prefer if the subject matter is mostly kept to something interesting, like the Internet ecosystem stuff you often bring up on MATI. Some gay debate on the ethics of cuckholdry or doxxxing would be lame.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Someone wants me to 'talk to' Destiny this weekend. Don't know if it will happen, but since he's not friends with Karson anymore I'm more open to it.

If Destiny still holds the same views about pedophilia, all he's done is end a friendship. I wouldn't associate with an unrepentant pedophilia advocate.

What should I look out for? I'm not really looking for a debate because I know neither of us are going to change minds on anything.

I'd ask what that someone wants you to talk to Destiny about. What's the motive? Why not commit the topic to writing in their private emails to you?

 

[AgendaPoster]

uh, nobody on the right has ever supported us, ever. the fucking EFF has shown more support for 1A than any right-wing commentator has. They all cry about being bullied. Destiny has never cried about the Kiwi Farms, but Nick Fuentes has. Nick Fuentes is a little bitch that Destiny can bend over as far as I'm concerned.

Never forget that groups like NJP think we're an Antifa witch coven hellbent on destroying the white race

 

[DinnerDates]

Someone wants me to 'talk to' Destiny this weekend. Don't know if it will happen, but since he's not friends with Karson anymore I'm more open to it. What should I look out for? I'm not really looking for a debate because I know neither of us are going to change minds on anything.

While it's true that neither of you going to change minds over anything, you can use Destiny platform to spread whatever message you want. Like how the Internet is fucked since people can harass T1 ISP to take down site that they don't want, Cloudflare still proudly hosting ISIS and monkey torture sites, your love for Israel, and etc.

 

[NoTimeToLose]

Someone wants me to 'talk to' Destiny this weekend. Don't know if it will happen, but since he's not friends with Karson anymore I'm more open to it. What should I look out for? I'm not really looking for a debate because I know neither of us are going to change minds on anything.

be prepared to answer some retarded questions that are misrepresentations of the way you think,
"Wait... do you think/do you really believe X?"

 

[joop]

Someone wants me to 'talk to' Destiny this weekend. Don't know if it will happen, but since he's not friends with Karson anymore I'm more open to it. What should I look out for? I'm not really looking for a debate because I know neither of us are going to change minds on anything.

If you are going to do this, I believe it's possible for you to have a productive conversation (as in, not a screaming match "debate") with Destiny about certain topics you are knowledgeable in - Internet infrastructure, payment processors, journalism, censorship, etc.
But to be honest, depending on how much he researched you, in his head you are probably the "angry, right-wing, transphobic owner of the doxing website Kiwi Farms", so it's likely he will steer the conversation towards doxing, harassment, transphobia and so on.
Destiny, despite his numerous flaws, doesn't usually try to go for gotchas unless the tone of the conversation turns hostile or you start confidently talking about shit about which he's better informed than you are.

I think the first few replies summarized what you should be aware of, but I'll highlight these points:

• Start the conversation in good faith, he's become less charitable to people that are hostile, hypocritical, inconsistent, or trying to use rhetorical debate-bro strategies against him, so doing any of those things is the easiest way to turn the conversation into a shitshow. He can talk to people with opposing views normally as long as the tone of the conversation is calm. All of the points below apply only if the conversation starts turning into a debate.
• He has a tendency to really dig down and nitpick some small part of something you said if it goes against the facts he knows, so if you can't explain whatever it is you're talking about to him from first principles, be ready that he might challenge you on it, and will spend 30 minutes deconstructing some extraneous detail you're wrong about.
• Be prepared that he's going to ask for sources about anything that contradicts his worldview, and they're going to have to be mainstream, "reputable" mainstream-adjacent, peer-reviewed studies or primary sources. He usually doesn't do this unless he prepares for a debate, but if you contradict something that's core to his worldview, he might bring up some sources of his own that "prove" he's right.
• Be prepared that he might push you to give specific answers to controversial questions that paint you as a bigot/racist/villain to 90% of his viewers if you answer them "wrong", so think about the most damaging questions he could ask you, and how you'll answer them if he does (honestly, if it gets to this point just stick to your principles, no point cucking if he's already in debate-bro mode and trying to do as much "optics damage" as he can).

 

[PixarsTedKennedy]

If you are going to do this, I believe it's possible for you to have a productive conversation (as in, not a screaming match "debate") with Destiny about certain topics you are knowledgeable in - Internet infrastructure, payment processors, journalism, censorship, etc.
But to be honest, depending on how much he researched you, in his head you are probably the "angry, right-wing, transphobic owner of the doxing website Kiwi Farms", so it's likely he will steer the conversation towards doxing, harassment, transphobia and so on.
Destiny, despite his numerous flaws, doesn't usually try to go for gotchas unless the tone of the conversation turns hostile or you start confidently talking about shit about which he's better informed than you are.

I think the first few replies summarized what you should be aware of, but I'll highlight these points:

• Start the conversation in good faith, he's become less charitable to people that are hostile, hypocritical, inconsistent, or trying to use rhetorical debate-bro strategies against him, so doing any of those things is the easiest way to turn the conversation into a shitshow. He can talk to people with opposing views normally as long as the tone of the conversation is calm. All of the points below apply only if the conversation starts turning into a debate.
• He has a tendency to really dig down and nitpick some small part of something you said if it goes against the facts he knows, so if you can't explain whatever it is you're talking about to him from first principles, be ready that he might challenge you on it, and will spend 30 minutes deconstructing some extraneous detail you're wrong about.
• Be prepared that he's going to ask for sources about anything that contradicts his worldview, and they're going to have to be mainstream, "reputable" mainstream-adjacent, peer-reviewed studies or primary sources. He usually doesn't do this unless he prepares for a debate, but if you contradict something that's core to his worldview, he might bring up some sources of his own that "prove" he's right.
• Be prepared that he might push you to give specific answers to controversial questions that paint you as a bigot/racist/villain to 90% of his viewers if you answer them "wrong", so think about the most damaging questions he could ask you, and how you'll answer them if he does (honestly, if it gets to this point just stick to your principles, no point cucking if he's already in debate-bro mode and trying to do as much "optics damage" as he can).

Which also comes down to how much time does Null want to put into preparing for a conversation with Destiny.

 

[Joseph Curwen]

I think Destiny's primary beef with the farms is that he considers it inaccurate and harmful. Maybe he'll bring up some faildoxes.

Another thought. Destiny polices his subreddit pretty strictly. Moderation strategy and philosophy may be an interesting subject.

 

[the clap]

They could have a technical discussion about mitigating DDOS attacks, which Destiny had to deal with early in his streaming. I doubt Destiny is looking for a Jontron 2 moment but you never know

 

[Escar]

The media topic is likely to be a major disagreement. Destiny does his research and he'll have studies to support his arguments.

Oh and if you want to annoy him, refer to several articles about a single study as "several studies".

I know its easier to say "the media" has been dishonest about the site, but I'd suggest that Null be more specific and say that he has experience with journalists being dishonest, or intellectually lazy, when reporting on the site. Bring example articles of them being recklessly dishonest and examples demonstrating how what they reported wasn't true.

Destiny and Null can probably relate to eachother on the issue of troons trying to damage their lives out of petty spite.

 

[notafederalagent]

According to a current Turkey Tom stream, it will be him, Destiny, and Null tomorrow on Saturday. No timestamp, but within the last 10 minutes.

edit: I meant Saturday, oops. Here's the clip.

 

[Resident Cheeser]

I know its easier to say "the media" has been dishonest about the site, but I'd suggest that Null be more specific and say that he has experience with journalists being dishonest, or intellectually lazy, when reporting on the site. Bring example articles of them being recklessly dishonest and examples demonstrating how what they reported wasn't true.

Destiny and Null can probably relate to eachother on the issue of troons trying to damage their lives out of petty spite.

This would be some great common ground. I think a lot of Destiny's fans will be surprised at how reasonable the evil transphobe nazi really is.

 

[Lunar Individual]

According to a current Turkey Tom stream, it will be him, Destiny, and Null tomorrow.

>Turkey Tom
Ruined, waiting for a reupload where every instance of that faggot speaking is cut out.

 

[Escar]

If you do start to debate and you think he is misrepresenting or misunderstanding your position, ask him to "steelman" your position to you, so you can argue about what he thinks is the best interpretation of your position.

 

[joop]

If you do start to debate and you think he is misrepresenting or misunderstanding your position, ask him to "steelman" your position to you, so you can argue about what he thinks is the best interpretation of your position.

This is a good idea. Destiny, even in debate-bro mode, takes pride in being rational and principled. He frequently repeats that for every position he holds, he can argue the best arguments for the opposite side better than any of his opponents, and yet he can still beat them with superior arguments and reasoning.
If he does start debating you, make sure you hold him to this standard.

 

[Bill The Fucker]

Be prepared that he might push you to give specific answers to controversial questions that paint you as a bigot/racist/villain to 90% of his viewers if you answer them "wrong", so think about the most damaging questions he could ask you, and how you'll answer them if he does (honestly, if it gets to this point just stick to your principles, no point cucking if he's already in debate-bro mode and trying to do as much "optics damage" as he can).

If the convo drifts into dangerous territory, I would just acknowledge that the site is currently under a microscope and that you're wary of giving any on-the-record answers that could be clip chimped and used as complaint fodder to ISPs. His audience won't be satisfied, but I don't think anyone that's dealt with LSF before would hold it against you, and I doubt Destiny is going into this with an agenda like that unless you either force it or give it to him on a silver platter.

 

[Code Cave]

What is your goal in talking to him? Think about that and work from there, don't get side tracked with random shit. His viewpoint is essentially that Kiwifarms isn't doing anything illegal, so the site being deleted from the internet is scary because the same people could target him next.

Don't use slurs or shit, he's not going to risk his youtube channel for the sake of someone being edgy.

If you do get side tracked and he's grilling you on something just make it clear there is no way he can change your mind, this will get rid of the "challenge" of the topic and he will move on from it.

I think it could be an interesting conversation about censorship and how mass reporting/harassment by left and right wing people is taking us down a very bad path. Whatever topics you think of make sure he is aware/agrees to it beforehand, if there isn't a structure to the topic he won't guide it and just play his autism games in the background.

He also probably isn't going to pursue the Keffals lawsuit. She has stopped talking about him and he's happy enough with that. He is also aware of how much of an optical nightmare it would be if he took her to court, i.e "Gamer who was banned from twitch for being transphobic takes Transgender swatting hero to court" won't be worth the hassle.

 

[Norm_E]

Just make sure to wear a giant clock around your neck so people can see how much he edits it later

 

[Joseph Curwen]

If the convo drifts into dangerous territory, I would just acknowledge that the site is currently under a microscope and that you're wary of giving any on-the-record answers that could be clip chimped and used as complaint fodder to ISPs. His audience won't be satisfied, but I don't think anyone that's dealt with LSF before would hold it against you, and I doubt Destiny is going into this with an agenda like that unless you either force it or give it to him on a silver platter.

I think null's referred to the farmers as a herd of cats that scratch his furniture, piss on his rugs and eat his favorite plants. That might be the attitude to bring if some sort of inquisition came about but I don't think that's likely.