Star Wars Expanded Universe Fans/Cultists - I HOPE YOU LIKE STAR WARS AUTISM

It would be interesting to know who actually started the campaign and why they remain anonymous. Same with "Rewriting Ripley", didn't they have ties with Disney/LF?
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I think, to my memory they have been identified as two SJW's but thats all I remember.
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I remember writing about that when their drama popped off.
 
As much as I am angry that Mara Jade was essentially fridged by Disney, the more I realize that it might actually be a good thing for her in the long run. Can you imagine Mara in the Disney canon? She would be absolutely butchered, bled dry of all semblance of character and motivation and such. We would have Luke angsting over her. It would be a shitshow.
I have no doubt that Disney would have casted a black troony as Mara.
 
As much as I am angry that Mara Jade was essentially fridged by Disney, the more I realize that it might actually be a good thing for her in the long run. Can you imagine Mara in the Disney canon? She would be absolutely butchered, bled dry of all semblance of character and motivation and such. We would have Luke angsting over her. It would be a shitshow.
Mara was fridged by Karen Traviss before getting tossed in the trash bin by Disney, but I'm getting a feeling Filoni or someone else might dig her up and use her as a girl power character. I mean, all they do nowadays is dig up old EU stories and dress them in new tinsel to make their stuff and preach their message.

Indeed, it was for the best.

If they had used her, I doubt they would have kept her as an attractive redhead woman.

With Disney you would be extremely lucky, if they just turned her into generic girl boss with Marvel tier one-liners, and downgraded looks. That is the best case scenario, Most likely she would be a sassy black woman with red hair tint like they did with Starfire In that shitty titans tv show.

They hate Star Wars so much I doubt they would even allow her to meet Luke. If Filoni feels generous she might meet Ashoka instead. And if Luke met her, obviously she would outshine him, because she needs no man, specially not a failure like Luke ( as depicted in TLJ).

She has been spared so far because woketards think “the male gaze is le evil”. Aka anything that makes men hairy and reminds them they are ugly women IRL is bad. A blessing in disguise indeed.
Don't jinx it. They might just drag her out of the fridge and thaw her out so they can use her as a prop for their ''message''. And yes, she'd probably become a surrogate sister for Ahsoka instead of becoming Luke's wife, especially since it's canon to them that Luke ends up as a failure.
 
They form a largely coherent narrative that even Alex Jones can follow. It's actually kind of neat that Lucas attempted to build a Greek Tragedy out that story. Modern Capeshit is the only genre that has that kind of ambition to tell a massive story, if not the ability. Flawed execution does not mean flawed story.
Lucas had some minor flaws at most with the Prequels; they were fun, they were innovative in terms of technology, the fights were great, and the morals Lucas tried to teach were OK. They weren't perfect, but they didn't need to be; the originals weren't perfect either. Hell, many of the older crowd when 1977 Star Wars showed up hated it because they thought it was too low-brow and corny.

Prequel hate got me to dislike Gen X more than Boomers. They flipped their shit on the most inconsequential event in their lifetimes and their whining is what led the Sequel Trilogy to be the way that it is. The way RLM and Kevin Smith talk about the Prequels, they make it sound worse than 9/11.
The fact that some Gen X reviewers still can't shut the fuck up about how they hate the Prequels really opened my eyes about how their brains work. Especially when they shake off how the Sequels fucked the Originals even worse than the PT did (at least the PT barely affected the OT, the Sequels made the OT into the narrative equivalent of Naruto filler) it goes to show that their hate for the PT "soiling" the Star Wars brand was nothing more but hot gas.
 
Classic Star Wars autist here. I was extremely distraught when Disney decanonized the EU over a decade ago even if some of it was bad and the EU fans were total spergs. If anything the only good thing about the Disney sequel trilogy turning out to be hot garbage is people re-examined their EU bashing because of it. But...

Lucas had some minor flaws at most with the Prequels; they were fun, they were innovative in terms of technology, the fights were great, and the morals Lucas tried to teach were OK. They weren't perfect, but they didn't need to be; the originals weren't perfect either. Hell, many of the older crowd when 1977 Star Wars showed up hated it because they thought it was too low-brow and corny.

The fact that some Gen X reviewers still can't shut the fuck up about how they hate the Prequels really opened my eyes about how their brains work. Especially when they shake off how the Sequels fucked the Originals even worse than the PT did (at least the PT barely affected the OT, the Sequels made the OT into the narrative equivalent of Naruto filler) it goes to show that their hate for the PT "soiling" the Star Wars brand was nothing more but hot gas.
I went through a long phase of prequel hating and there's still some stuff that I on a personal level don't like about them (art direction for example), but I'm more mixed on them nowadays, and I have to say that RedLetterMedia overcorrected by acting like the plots didn't make any sense when they mostly did. Quite frankly there was nothing inherently wrong with the broad strokes of the plot of the prequel trilogy with some exceptions (no one wanted to see Darth Vader as a kid let's be real). I used to watch RLM religiously but they shit the bed. Now my most controversial take is that I like the Midi-chlorians. I think "magic" by itself is kinda lame and having spirit/matter dualism is an awesome concept. In addition, Lucas actually DID plan that prior—they were originally called "Whills".

What RLM were right about is the juvenile tone-deaf slapstic (yes that means stuff like Jar Jar Binks, as cliché as it is), weird wooden acting, Anakin's romance plot (and arguably overall characterization), and yes some of the CGI. It's mostly "tone" issues not plot issues, and some of those things were caused by access to CGI technology. With regards to the special editions similar could be said. A lot of the changes are neutral or even fine, but stuff like Jedi Rocks is a nightmare—worse than any one thing in the prequels, even. The CGI in space scenes is fine, but CGI aliens interacting with the characters frequently looks bad (this applies to the prequels, too). Zoomers who overcorrect to the prequels/special editions being A-Logged for over a decade by acting like Jar Jar and Jedi Rocks aren't off-putting I interpret as acting in bad faith. "Hurr it's just like C-3PO." yeah okay dude. Sure. Also I just kinda feel like it feels right for the Clone Wars/foundation of the Empire to be longer ago than merely 19 years before ANH, though I'll grant Obi-Wan and Vader obviously would have had to have been alive at the time. Could have maybe had it be ~40 years ago, perhaps?

Paradoxically the ending of Return of the Jedi (sans later revisions with Jar Jar added) is superior in the special edition. The original song fucking sucks and it gives a lot more weight to the flawed ending of an otherwise great trilogy to see the celebrations.
 
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Also I just kinda feel like it feels right for the Clone Wars/foundation of the Empire to be longer ago than merely 19 years before ANH, though I'll grant Obi-Wan and Vader obviously would have had to have been alive at the time. Could have maybe had it be ~40 years ago, perhaps?
Part of what made TPM confusing at first watch for normies is the state of the Old Republic was already in terminal decline without Palpy's intervention anyways. It's a vast interstellar state like Trantor in Foundation that lacked a centralized military and had zero influence on the Outer Rim worlds like Tatooine. Tatooine couldn't be touched by the Trade Federation because it was controlled by the Hutts, which is like saying Al Capone straight up owned Detroit and the US Congress shrugged and left it alone. Even without Palpy engineering the Trade Federation invading Naboo, the underlying rot it was still present, namely that Corporate entities had proper seats in the Senate and paralyzed them in endless debate. The Courts weren't much better, as Amidala said, "The courts take longer than the Senate." The Old Republic's legal system simply didn't work, which is why she went back.

So the foundations of the Clone War was set up by TPM, but you have to be a little bit familiar with late Roman Republic failures to notice it, which RLM isn't well-read in anything other than shitty 80s B movies.
 
Part of what made TPM confusing at first watch for normies is the state of the Old Republic was already in terminal decline without Palpy's intervention anyways. It's a vast interstellar state like Trantor in Foundation that lacked a centralized military and had zero influence on the Outer Rim worlds like Tatooine. Tatooine couldn't be touched by the Trade Federation because it was controlled by the Hutts, which is like saying Al Capone straight up owned Detroit and the US Congress shrugged and left it alone. Even without Palpy engineering the Trade Federation invading Naboo, the underlying rot it was still present, namely that Corporate entities had proper seats in the Senate and paralyzed them in endless debate. The Courts weren't much better, as Amidala said, "The courts take longer than the Senate." The Old Republic's legal system simply didn't work, which is why she went back.

So the foundations of the Clone War was set up by TPM, but you have to be a little bit familiar with late Roman Republic failures to notice it, which RLM isn't well-read in anything other than shitty 80s B movies.
Like I said, my issue wasn't with the broad strokes of the plot, just tone issues, smaller decisions, and continuity issues with the OT. I had zero issue with the politics.

Also, Tatooine wasn't part of the Galactic Republic. While the Republic is mostly analogous to the European Union or something, it is an intergalactic governmental entity, but it's not that they were neglecting Tatooine due to it being too far away—it just literally wasn't IN the Republic, and yes it was in Hutt Space, which is its own separate government. It's like saying that the European Union is corrupt because it tolerates theocracy in Saudi Arabia. Well, Saudi Arabia isn't part of the EU so the EU's laws do not and cannot apply.

In this Clone Wars map you can see Republic space versus Hutt space. Yes this is about 10 years after The Phantom Menace but the aforementioned borders would be the same. Now after the Clone Wars, Hutt Space becomes smaller and no longer includes Tatooine.

Galaxy Map - Clone_wars_factions.webp


But yeah I remember HBomber guy defending the prequels with this similar claim, thinking the Republic "tolerating slavery within its borders" was some sort of genius Marxist social commentary or some shit.

I wanna say that, thinking about it, I do think all the clones being Jango Fett (essentially an excuse to have Boba Fett in the prequels) is kinda cringe because you know that all happened to appease Boba Fett fans/Fandalorians. It's not really a plot hole it's just kinda dumb.
 
The problems with the prequels are exaggerated af but they are not inconsiderable either. There's an awkwardness, a clumsiness that runs through all 3 prequel movies but hits some aspects of them (much) harder than others. Probably because George hadn't officially been director of a full length movie in between July 1976 (ending of Star Wars principal shooting) and June 1997 (start of Phantom Menace principal shooting)
 
It's funny how this thread was made before the release of TFA to shit on EU fans that were mad about Disney cancelling it but it has just lead to every EU fan alive to be completely vindicated about this after the release of TFA.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UNRndtbnaekI am not sure if this is the correct thread but here is some Star Wars drama.
There seems to be drama popping off with a bunch of jealous cunts going after other YouTube creators.
They even wrote a manifesto:
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To loop theory into is simply LAUGHABLE. He is the most even handed and reasonable person in the Star Wars fandom.
Stupendous Wave also responded:
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Apparently Ecks Ladder is also involved too. The two men met and Ecks asked him how much money he made so Ecks decided to befriend Molly part of the group that wants to demonetize Geeks and Gamers.
They own a channel called StarWars Explained.
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Theory read some emails.
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Now this is Autism! May the Grift be with you.

It looks like a damn toy review not even a proper skizo manifesto. Jizzney's corposlop makes even manifestos sad and mundane.

It is soy tiring.
 
For those that say George Lucas didn't care for the EU.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QWUzWuRZjHw
He approved it for the sake of drumming up anticipation for the special editions and prequel trilogy and took a handful of things from it (the name "Coruscant" for example), but he admittedly never really respected it, and I say this as a post-ROTJ EU fan. I think he had more direct involvement with Shadows of the Empire admittedly.

The real issue is there wasn't a perceived obligation to follow EU canon when he made the prequels. For example, the clone wars as depicted in Attack of the Clones and subsequent media is different from what The Thrawn Trilogy implied, and what it implied reflected earlier drafts of what Lucas conceived the clone wars as before he changed his mind. Later retcons "fixed" this and made it somewhat make sense, but the fact they even had to make said retcons highlights the whole issue. I don't even per say think the Clone Wars as eventually conceived was a bad idea, but I dislike that it contradicts arguably the best Star Wars novels retcons notwithstanding.

The most egregious contradictions however come from The Clone Wars cartoon (CGI one, not the Tartakovsky one), in fact it was in 2009 that I realized the EU was kinda fucked because of this cartoon. Specifically I am thinking of the infamous Ryloth incident. Basically, in the old EU the planet Ryloth was tidally locked, which means one side is always daytime, the other nighttime, and the Twi'Leks live in the twilight zone and huge aspects of their culture are based around this unique aspect of their planet. The Clone Wars had a bunch of episodes taking place on Ryloth and they just depicted the planet with a normal day-night cycle. This is particularly egregious because it was just negligence—they could have easily told the story they wanted to tell whilst integrating that unique aspect of the planet into said story which would have made that story arc even more interesting, but instead they decided to be oblivious. To be honest you're basically obligated to retroactively consider that entire cartoon Disney canon because of the sheer amount of contradictions (which it sorta is; besides the 6 films it's the only other media that remained canon in the Disney continuity, and they even made another season in 2020).

I actually do like some of Lucas' ideas, but this whole argument-from-authority idea of canon pertaining to the series' creator isn't really a consistent precedent with media. Even if we discount recent shitty Star Trek or the JJ Abrams films, some of Star Trek The Next Generation and all of Deep Space 9, Voyager, and Enterprise were made after Gene Roddenberry died. There's also the fact many episodes of Star Trek prior to his death weren't written by him, and it's even generally agreed he would have hated the main defining story arc of Deep Space 9 as it went against his idea of Star Trek. Despite this, if someone came along and said all of this wasn't canon to Star Trek because Gene Roddenberry didn't write it or even likely would have hated some of it, you'd think they were insane. This is why I don't really care. George Lucas apparently wanted Star Wars to be kids movies even though the first three films sans Ewoks qualify as general audience films (especially Empire). I feel safe in saying the juvenile stuff detracts; the best "kid's media" is general audiences media. Boys like Star Wars because it has space ships and lasers and shit, they don't need Ewoks or Jar Jar to like it. You add tonally off baby stuff and the film just ages poorly with the viewers. It was always a bad idea.
 
The most egregious contradictions however come from The Clone Wars cartoon (CGI one, not the Tartakovsky one), in fact it was in 2009 that I realized the EU was kinda fucked because of this cartoon
You have to understand that Dave Filoni's Clone Wars isn't Expanded Universe, it's the Disney canon. You simply cannot have Filoni's CW and the EU together because there are fundamental differences (characters that died in the EU being alive in late CW, Ahsoka doesn't exist in the EU). Filoni himself was never a fan of the Expanded Universe, he once said that he considers it "fan fiction" and he had no intention of following it's lore in favor of creating his own new Star Wars lore. Even before Disney purchased Star Wars, Filoni insisted that his Star Wars is the real Star Wars along with Lucas' movies and that George agreed with him.
 
Lucas loved to reuse old names. I autisted in one thread about it after reading his first draft. It had ideas out of all 6 films.

There was a surprising amount of callbacks to it in the Prequels. This was Lucas going, I always wanted to do that but I didn't have the tech, the power or the time to fit this in.

Even his arguably barebones descriptions about tech like spaceships looked more like Phantom Menace stuff.
 
I'm only halfway through Dark Force Rising, but in relation to the whole Disney Palpatine cloning shit.. isn't that exactly what happened to that Jedi master guy? I swear they glossed over it in a sentence or two, "uhh he pronounced his name slightly different, clearly he must be a clone". I don't care for spoilers and I could google it, but it just kinda dawned on me. How quickly they added force power cloning to 'old canon' as easily as they gave Leia a sword
 
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