Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

People say Threshold is a bad episode...niggers, have you ever seen "Tattoo"?

Besides, it's just ripping off that one DS9 episode where Sisko learned about the great responsibility of the Huge Black Penis.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

One has to wonder if that difference in attitude is why Shatner is still vibrant and active while Stewart sounds like he's an inch away from death.

Shatner did have a stick up his ass for a long time as well. However at some point he learned how to exhale and chilled out remarkably, how he's everyone somewhat eccentric grandpa.
Stewart has always seen himself as a 'serious' actor, I've no idea how Gervais managed to get that comedic performance out of him in Extras.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Ver archivo adjunto 9112616

Then the holo-novel shits the bed and suddenly Darth Vader’s in the middle of interviewing Jor-El, radicalized by General Zod’s supremacist ideologies, pacing around like, “Yes, Lord Vader, the Kryptonian master race must subjugate the inferior Earth savages, just like Janeway did in the holo-n***er program."

Ohnno wait, wrong franchise and wrong Roots series entirely, what the fuck am I doing. I got my wires crossed, this is all fucked.

for me it's Barney Hill and the ayys dropped him off in the wrong place/time so he's just getting by how he can

 

[FatMebius]

I'd rather watch Neelix being annoying, talk about his shitty cooking or creeping up on Kes than Chakotay doing his indian ACHEEKAMOYE SPIRIT OF MY ANCESTORS bullshit.
People say Threshold is a bad episode...niggers, have you ever seen "Tattoo"?

Chakotay is the worst character on the show.

All the fake Injun stuff is bad. Letting a Jewish guy larping as red dot Indian write all their native American stuff is mind-blowing lol.

Chakotay sucks. Bobby Beltran deserves better

 

[Captain Syrup]

All the fake Injun stuff is bad. Letting a Jewish guy larping as red dot Indian write all their native American stuff is mind-blowing lol.

Chakotay sucks. Bobby Beltran deserves better

I don’t know if Chakotay is the worst character on Voyager, it’s a tough contest on that show, but he probably fared the worst in terms of pointless scenes. Even when the crew is acting completely out of character he just shows up to say some stuff that moves the plot along. We should look into it.



In "The Killing Game", it's Tom who gets all the good lines. “If Betty Grable came around that corner, what part of her would you be staring at?!"

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

All the fake Injun stuff is bad. Letting a Jewish guy larping as red dot Indian write all their native American stuff is mind-blowing lol.

Chakotay sucks. Bobby Beltran deserves better

pretty sure he larped as a feather?
but tbdesu some cracker going "SAAR I am very buffalo SAAR please do the needful with fox and antelope" would be funny too

 

[FatMebius]

pretty sure he larped as a feather?
but tbdesu some cracker going "SAAR I am very buffalo SAAR please do the needful with fox and antelope" would be funny too

Oh yeah. It was feather. I was watching a PKA clip of them shitting on SAAAAR Indians and legit had a Freudian slip lol

I don’t even know if Chakotay is the worst character on Voyager, it’s a tough contest on that show, but he probably fared the worst in terms of pointless scenes. Even when the crew is acting completely out of character he just shows up to say some stuff that moves the plot along. We should look into it.

Ver archivo adjunto 9117894

In "The killing Game", it's Tom who gets all the good lines. “Loosen up baby doll, the war’s almost over!”

Tom always gets good lines. Or at least lines that the writers room thought was good. He's some boomer's spaceman fantasy.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Oh yeah. It was feather. I was watching a PKA clip of them shitting on SAAAAR Indians and legit had a Freudian slip lol


Tom always gets good lines. Or at least lines that the writers room thought was good. He's some boomer's spaceman fantasy.

now that I think about it I should try throwing some bullshit injun hoo-hah when I'm fucking with jeet scam calls
"many moons ago, buffalo and elk foretold your call"

 

[Captain Syrup]

Oh yeah. It was feather. I was watching a PKA clip of them shitting on SAAAAR Indians and legit had a Freudian slip lol


Tom always gets good lines. Or at least lines that the writers room thought was good. He's some boomer's spaceman fantasy.

The thing I like about this Tom guy is they cast him as a bad boy without a cause, but then Robert Duncan McNeil doesn’t come across as tough at all. And then you throw in all that 40s dialogue and the jargon he keeps using and it just makes the whole thing funnier. It reminds me of Tex Murphy from those old adventure games. You know the ones?

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

The thing I like about this Tom guy is they cast him as a bad boy without a cause, but then Robert Duncan McNeil doesn’t come across as tough at all. And then you throw in all that 40s dialogue and the jargon he keeps using and it just makes the whole thing funnier. It reminds me of Tex Murphy from those old adventure games. You know the ones?

Tom was always can across as more 'gosh gee-willickers' than anything. He's grown on me a little over the years and he's one of my favorite characters on Voyager but that's not saying much.
Was there a lot of turmoil in in the Voyager writers room? It's always felt like the most inconsistent of the original shows.

 

[FatMebius]

The thing I like about this Tom guy is they cast him as a bad boy without a cause, but then Robert Duncan McNeil doesn’t come across as tough at all. And then you throw in all that 40s dialogue and the jargon he keeps using and it just makes the whole thing funnier. It reminds me of Tex Murphy from those old adventure games. You know the ones?

They needed someone a lot more roguish than RDM to play the part. I like RDM in other things, but that's sort of how it is with a lot of the Voyager cast. Like, they're all fine actors. They're just not really given material that's A)Good or B)Plays to their strengths

 

[Captain Syrup]

Tom was always can across as more 'gosh gee-willickers' than anything. He's grown on me a little over the years and he's one of my favorite characters on Voyager but that's not saying much.
Was there a lot of turmoil in in the Voyager writers room? It's always felt like the most inconsistent of the original shows.

In fairness, we only got dirt from Ron D. Moore. I’ve heard all sorts of stories but there's nothing concrete.

Seems like they could either keep the same team (Taylor Braga, Berman), or bring in a bunch of new writers (Piller, Coto), but the ratings would go straight down the tube either way.

Also, after season one, every single season is twenty-six episodes??



So half the plots are just straight-up stolen from old Next Generation episodes. Or even from earlier seasons of Voyager itself.

They were counting on the average viewer just flipping to whatever episode is on. You're not supposed to sit through each episode back to back.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

They were counting on the average viewer just flipping to whatever episode is on. You're not supposed to sit through each episode back to back.

Most 90s shows were like that and it makes it hard to binge them because the idea of binge watching was unheard of back then. It's also hard to write 20+ episodes a year without repeating things like Daniel Jackson being kidnapped all the time in SG-1.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

I remember the writers complaining that the network executives on UPN wouldn't let them do some of the stuff they could do on the sindicated Deep Space Nine that was running at the same time, UPN gave them a strick no story arcs rule, so they could only have events in latter episodes be impacted by passed episodes in a limited way. Voyager was built for plot arcs but not allowed to have then. Then the UPN wouldn't let them get rid of Harry Kim because a bunch of women they polled said he was sexy.

The show had a lot of tallent working on it but the Network went out of its way to undo anything good they tried to do.

 

[William Murderface]

Tom Paris should have been this combination of Han Solo and the Outrageous Okona. Shit hot pilot who can make Voyager so stuff the designers never thought possible, a ladies man, quick witted, good in a fight, and someone who just doesn't worry about obeying orders. Janeway has to use him to find the Maquis and is forced to use him as the chief pilot of Voyager once they're in the Delta Quadrant. But he really is a loose cannon and she has to learn to trust his abilities to fly as much as he has to learn to obey orders at times.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Tom Paris should have been this combination of Han Solo and the Outrageous Okona. Shit hot pilot who can make Voyager so stuff the designers never thought possible, a ladies man, quick witted, good in a fight, and someone who just doesn't worry about obeying orders. Janeway has to use him to find the Maquis and is forced to use him as the chief pilot of Voyager once they're in the Delta Quadrant. But he really is a loose cannon and she has to learn to trust his abilities to fly as much as he has to learn to obey orders at times.

That or my idea was the Hawkeye Pierce type, someone who is really good at his job and knows how to boost moral when they are far from home but he doesn't belong in the military and there is a reason he is at odds with the by the book Chakotay.

If they had written something like that it would have improved both characters as their conflict could have been one of the driving forces of the show, a scorce of humor, and many goid stories could be written around them having to work together.

I am not say MASh should have been the blueprint but I think looking at some of the ways that show told stories about people who didn't always get along surviving far from home could have given the writers some insperation.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

That or my idea was the Hawkeye Pierce type, someone who is really good at his job and knows how to boost moral when they are far from home but he doesn't belong in the military and there is a reason he is at odds with the by the book Chakotay.

If they had written something like that it would have improved both characters as their conflict could have been one of the driving forces of the show, a scorce of humor, and many goid stories could be written around them having to work together.

I am not say MASh should have been the blueprint but I think looking at some of the ways that show told stories about people who didn't always get along surviving far from home could have given the writers some insperation.

Chakotay, and all the Maquis characters, should never be by-the-book in the first place. They were Maquis precisely because they didn't like the way the Federation did things.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Chakotay, and all the Maquis characters, should never be by-the-book in the first place. They were Maquis precisely because they didn't like the way the Federation did things.

Oh, i know but the writers seemed determined to write Chakotay that way so I am trying to find a way to inject some life and humor into it.

If Chakotay had been developed that could have made him someone who didn't like the politics of the federation but he had always taken the safety of his crew seriously so he mostly goes by the book because the situation is so dangerous that he sees the book he doesn't like as the best chance for them making it out alive but have him always choose members of his crew over the starfleet crew, but when they are not in conflict he plays things by the book.

Of cpurse to make this work they would have to write episodes abput him that were not just about his racial background and the show would have to have real stakes that carry over week to week.

Un manny ways I think the first two seasons of BSG were the show the writers always wanted to make with voyager.

 

[William Murderface]

Chakotay, and all the Maquis characters, should never be by-the-book in the first place. They were Maquis precisely because they didn't like the way the Federation did things.

I could have lived with Chakotay as a by the book type. He was a line officer who got fed up with Federation politics, right?

So make Janeway a science officer who was rammed through a Blue to Red program and given command of Voyager, ostensibly as a science ship that has to answer a distress call from a Maquis ship. When they are dragged to the Delt Quadrant, she is really in over her head as captain but she feels it is still her responsibility to be captain and she forces herself to grow into the job. But she's helped by...

...Chakotay. He was a line officer and XO of some ship but resigned his commission because he felt the Federation betrayed some Federation citizens. He is a by-the-book type and the ship's disciplinarian, but he knows spacemanship inside and out and he can be counted on to give Janeway the guidance she needs to become a good captain.

We have Paris, our Han Solo pilot.

Belinda Torres, the engineer. She isn't the Ice Queen some make her out to be. She's just far more comfortable around the warp core than she is around men, especially walking penises like Paris. Think Reg Barkley, but not someone who stumbles over her own words. She's perfectly capable of talking to people and being around them, she just doesn't particularly want to when there's a perfectly good warp core just a few decks down. Starfleet, Maquis, whatever, it doesn't matter to her, just so long as she gets to work on an engine.

Tuvok, the security chief. He wasn't really part of the ship's crew. He was actually Starfleet Intelligence and was deep cover inside the Maquis. But once they're in the Delta Quadrant, he steps into the role of security chief. He constantly is looking for the Maquis members to mutiny and everyone, Starfleet and Maquis both, think he's wound way too tight. He's not paranoid, he just thinks everyone is up to no good.

The Doctor. He's a human who was in the Maquis. He has the bedside manner of a cactus but he will fight tooth and nail both as a healer and as an advocate for his patients. He also has a past...

Harry Kim, the ensign. He's fresh out of the academy, wet behind the ears, and all kinds of eager for adventure, maybe to the point of being rash especially after hanging around Paris.

Neelix, he's Hawkeye from Last of the Mohicans. He knows the immediate area of the Delta Quadrant like the back of his hand, which means he can be a guide, but it also means he's made a few enemies along the way, enemies who know he's on Voyager and this makes Voyager a bit unwelcome at times. As the ship gets further from the starting point, the less he knows and he takes risks to learn what's ahead. He has a child with him that he is watching over like Lone Wolf & Cub.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Have done a rewatch of TOS seasons 1 and 2, currently on 3. Good shit. 3 is a writing downgrade though. Not what I remember.