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They likely realize Frank’s appeal comes from being grounded in reality (at least for a comic). That’s why he still uses boring assed rifles in a world of hellfire shotguns and Galadorian energy weapons. Sure, he gets a War Machine suit or a Frankenstein makeover or a gun that shoots swords from time to time, but those things seem to lack staying power.
Im not up so speed on Punisher so this may have already been done.
Has their ever been something like an "Old Man Frank" story like they did with Logan?
Instead of continuously updating Frank Castle's backstory so that he fights in more modern conflicts, why don't writers make it so he is cryogenically frozen like Captain America, so Frank can retain his status as a Vietnam War veteran? I feel having that aspect of his backstory be interchangeable is a mistake.
They likely realize Frank’s appeal comes from being grounded in reality (at least for a comic). That’s why he still uses boring assed rifles in a world of hellfire shotguns and Galadorian energy weapons. Sure, he gets a War Machine suit or a Frankenstein makeover or a gun that shoots swords from time to time, but those things seem to lack staying power.
For whatever reason War Machine Punisher never appealed to me but I always thought that one What If? issue where Frank is the one the symbiote chooses instead of Eddie Brock was awesome:
It's got that nice 90s balance of being goofy and stupid while also badass at the same time. The punisher/venom logo hybrid really ties it together similar to Spider-Man 2099's logo.
Also instead of just flinging webs (which he can do of course) the symbiote starts creating guns out of symbiote Venom shit, as well as giving Frank wings to fly with. Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Daredevil try to stop him and their combined prowess literally can't lmao. He only stops and doesn't kill them because him and the symbiote come to a "deal" of some kind at the end.
For whatever reason War Machine Punisher never appealed to me but I always thought that one What If? issue where Frank is the one the symbiote chooses instead of Eddie Brock was awesome: Ver archivo adjunto 9088022
It's got that nice 90s balance of being goofy and stupid while also badass at the same time. The punisher/venom logo hybrid really ties it together similar to Spider-Man 2099's logo.
Also instead of just flinging webs (which he can do of course) the symbiote starts creating guns out of symbiote Venom shit, as well as giving Frank wings to fly with. Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Daredevil try to stop him and their combined prowess literally can't lmao. He only stops and doesn't kill them because him and the symbiote come to a "deal" of some kind at the end. Ver archivo adjunto 9088050
I was thinking more Frank Castle getting frozen after he already spends several years building a reputation for himself as The Punisher.
Perhaps Frank could steal a plane, and crash somewhere in deep Antarctica.
Perhaps Frank could go missing battling syndicates in Alaska.
Perhaps Frank could pick a fight with and lose to a rich, powerful crime syndicate, and they decide to cryogenically preserve him as a trophy while having him retain his consciousness throughout the process as a form of torture.
These are three ideas off the top of my head. Captain America wasn't preserved intentionally in most versions, so maybe writers and editors could use the opportunity to draw some additional parallels between the two, if they want.
I was thinking more Frank Castle getting frozen after he already spends several years building a reputation for himself as The Punisher.
Perhaps Frank could steal a plane, and crash somewhere in deep Antarctica.
Perhaps Frank could go missing battling syndicates in Alaska.
Perhaps Frank could pick a fight with and lose to a rich, powerful crime syndicate, and they decide to cryogenically preserve him as a trophy while having him retain his consciousness throughout the process as a form of torture.
These are three ideas off the top of my head. Captain America wasn't preserved intentionally in most versions, so maybe writers and editors could use the opportunity to draw some additional parallels between the two, if they want.
The thing is, with Captain America coming back due to being preserved in the ice, they had an "out" with the Super-Soldier formula (TM) and it was still rooted in fantastical elements of the time, circa WW2 before hard science fiction was introduced into the medium for kids.
With Punisher, having him put on ice as it were, via Antarctica, Alaska or a crime syndicate having access to cryogenic storage tech like Demolition Man... Would be crossing into Franken-Castle territory again.
Not that I mind as I am in the minority that loved Franken-Castle but you can see where it's going. The reason why Franken-Castle fell flat is because the reversal back to regular Frank was not just convenient and ham-fisted but Remender (or editorial) simply didn't play by their own rules for a return.
The thing is, with Captain America coming back due to being preserved in the ice, they had an "out" with the Super-Soldier formula (TM) and it was still rooted in fantastical elements of the time, circa WW2 before hard science fiction was introduced into the medium for kids.
With Punisher, having him put on ice as it were, via Antarctica, Alaska or a crime syndicate having access to cryogenic storage tech like Demolition Man... Would be crossing into Franken-Castle territory again.
Not that I mind as I am in the minority that loved Franken-Castle but you can see where it's going. The reason why Franken-Castle fell flat is because the reversal back to regular Frank was not just convenient and ham-fisted but Remender (or editorial) simply didn't play by their own rules for a return.
You know who could be a banger of a villian if he got a rework? Count Nefaria.
He’s got a cool outfit, the Superman kit and he’s a mafioso. Just needs some oomph.
Were I given the task, I’d make him not a native to 616, he’s actually from the Squadron Supreme’s reality (or variation) and was Hyperion’s Zod-equivalent, except there was his uncle (similar cape colours gave me the idea, similar kit, remove the need for how he gets powers and Earth One was onto something with Zod being family) and in-keeping with their universe being harmless till it wasn’t, was your average Silver Age villian and after what happens, happens, drops all animosity and defaults to “the family.”
And he’s displaced, lands in the 1800s, crafted a persona to be patriarch of the emergent Maggia and is pretty much playing at being a crime lord with superpowers. Hell, his play on the mafia’s blood-loyalty could lead to him teaming up with the more evil-inclined Hyperions.
I like the design, I like mob movies and I like the flying brick archetype and I think this guy could be more.
there was so much they could do with the concept of naturally born randomized supers
and then they hyperfocused on muh minority allegory and frankly ran the entire thing into the ground
I don't hate the X-Men as a whole since I have a lot of nostalgia for Jim Lee's X-Men which led me to digging into Claremont Uncanny X-Men, but I can understand the sentiment. The more X-Men I read even in the 1980s you start to realize "hey maybe if you guys didn't have this insane complex about how all the goyim non-humans want to kill all of you and are born to hate mutants and chilled the fuck out things wouldn't suck so much for you?" Like yeah, obviously some normies are going to hate mutants for whatever reason, but this aspect of the X-Men always annoyed me.
Something that illustrates this point is the 1987 X-Men cvs. Avengers crossover, which I read over the weekend as a "hey that looks like it would be a fun way to kill an hour" and it was. It's set like right before the Mutant Massacre/Fall of the Mutants arc when Storm lost her powers, Magneto is training the X-Men, and Xavier's fucked off to another planet to give some context. But one part that I think illustrates my point is this one near the end of the last issue.
Magneto's on trial for his warcrimes of killing a bunch of mutants and people and it's on an international trial. Obviously he thinks he's not going to get off scot-free so he gets a bunch of techshit from Asteroid M to put in his helmet and creates a goyim normie mind beam that will force nonhumans to no longer hate mutants. He asks Captain America if this is a good idea, and obviously Cap is like "that's fucking retarded and takes away people's freewill. People should have the choice to form their own opinions, even if they're formed out of hate"
Magneto seethes after getting felted by a real PATRIQT and getting BTFO with facts and logic, and hits Cap with the goyim mindbeam:
Only for it not to work at all on Cap, because he's such a virtuous fucking REAL AMERICAN he has no hate in heart for mutants or for anyone:
Magneto is so utterly felted and embarrassed by this extreme izzat loss by being proven wrong that him and the X-Men are being really fucking neurotic about this whole "everyone hates and wants to kill mutants" shit that he storms off, accepting his fate whatever the decision the international tribunal comes to:
...Only to then later on fudge it by using his mind powers shit on one of the judges so he can get away scot-free.
Overall, it's fun and has great art by Silvestri and good writing by Roger Stearn showing that mutants really have a fucking complex about themselves if they would assume CAPTAIN FUCKING AMERICA would hate them.
TBF, normies in Marvel do have a visceral hatred against muties due to a space parasite implanting racism in their DNA, kek. Combining soap opera, superhero adventures and "muh racism!" was set-up to be a recipe for disaster. Nevermind the fact that muties' power level is all over the place and thus you have those who can remotely shut down machines, then those who can control the entire weather (and they have no cap on improving their powers). Oh, and muties were made by an alien species so they're not even the alleged evolution of mankind anyway. Everyone preferred the soap opera love triangles adventure aspect than the social aspect stuff. Also, technically Captain America is an artificial mutant but he's too American to be considered one.
"My powers manifested one day when I sneezed and shot a beam of energy out of my mouth and turned a quarter mile stretch of highway into glass. Golly gee I don't understand why people fear us "
-Some freak
"My powers manifested one day when I sneezed and shot a beam of energy out of my mouth and turned a quarter mile stretch of highway into glass. Golly gee I don't understand why people fear us "
-Some freak
TBF, normies in Marvel do have a visceral hatred against muties due to a space parasite implanting racism in their DNA, kek. Combining soap opera, superhero adventures and "muh racism!" was set-up to be a recipe for disaster. Nevermind the fact that muties' power level is all over the place and thus you have those who can remotely shut down machines, then those who can control the entire weather (and they have no cap on improving their powers). Oh, and muties were made by an alien species so they're not even the alleged evolution of mankind anyway. Everyone preferred the soap opera love triangles adventure aspect than the social aspect stuff. Also, technically Captain America is an artificial mutant but he's too American to be considered one.
"My powers manifested one day when I sneezed and shot a beam of energy out of my mouth and turned a quarter mile stretch of highway into glass. Golly gee I don't understand why people fear us "
-Some freak
"My powers manifested one day when I sneezed and shot a beam of energy out of my mouth and turned a quarter mile stretch of highway into glass. Golly gee I don't understand why people fear us "
-Some freak
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