Special Education - Your thoughts on it

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Pepsi-Cola dijo:
Autistics are born morons with no forseeable intelligence, name me one successful Autistic person...oh wait you cant.
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Considering our beloved Chris loves it so much the creator of pokemon comes to mind almost immediately.

But before anything what do you consider as success? Having a lot of money? Do you see it has being hard-working? Do you see it as being a intelligent scholar?

What is someone works hard and is still poor? What if someone intelligent gets a lot of money but didn't put in that much hard work?
 
I think it can be helpful in some departments because there are people who benefit best from one on one teachings (which is what most kids in special Ed got at my high school); but it also is often horribly underfunded and jam packed with kids who were only put there because they were distributive to their classmates
 
MetallicTunes dijo:
I remember I spent probably a year in a Special Ed class cuz I sucked at math. It was elementary school, so my memory is vague but I remember sociopathic kids with down-syndrome throwing temper tantrums and Sonic the Hedgehog conversations.

My last year of high school -- I remember a exceptional guy, who was walking with a student aid, shouted "I WANT TO TOUCH A GIRL!"
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Jeez, I'm glad I didn't know anyone like that at mine. While I don't like to admit it myself, I was in that type of class as well for nearly most of my public education. It was referred to as "SBH" (I think "Severe Behavior Handicapped") and by the time I was in high school, I really dreaded being in this class since I was the only one that got all the A's and did everything you had to do while the rest kept sassing the teacher or doing something else, I'm sure they ended up in gangs doing coke soon enough. I do recall the type of music they were into tend to heavy metal for the most part (maybe some rap), I remember band shirts like Iron Maiden being worn during class. I was happy to finally get out of that during my 11th year.
 
Special Education was mainly for people with behavioral problems (ex. asshole kids) in my school district. I was one of those kids in the middle of both special and gen ed. It was hell because I couldn't make too many friends with gen ed students. But at least it taught me to have less outbursts, so there's that.
 
AveraDiane dijo:
Special Education was mainly for people with behavioral problems (ex. asshole kids) in my school district. I was one of those kids in the middle of both special and gen ed. It was hell because I couldn't make too many friends with gen ed students. But at least it taught me to have less outbursts, so there's that.
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That's exactly where I was in.
 
Special education didn't work so well for this guy though.
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Special ed is a nice place to put your most annoying kids and get some extra cash out of the deal.
The teachers are there to play with adorable retards but instead they get a few slow kids and spergs and everyone in the school that's getting molested, neglected, or beaten at home.
Virtually nothing of value takes place and everyone that comes out of it will be an uneducated behavior problem regardless of why they're supposed to be there for. Then eventually they will go to prison which is like special ed for adult society complete with tard wranglers and hugboxes.
 
Gotta powerlevel here and share a personal experience.

I was put in special education program for my dyscalculia (Basically the math equivalent of dyslexia), and it was called an IEP ( IEP stands for Individualized Education Program). Teacher aids, administrators, and principals would arrange meetings to discuss what kind of education I would get for the school year. Typically my mother and I would both go.
Every year I went to those meetings, I hated it. I couldn't learn math as fast as everyone else, so that made me out to be some-sort of outcast and problem child. In these meetings we would discuss my behavior and then we would discuss what kind of aid I would receive in regards to my "disability" for the school year.

For years I felt like a complete failure because I couldn't learn math concepts as quickly as everyone else could. Because of the IEP, the school wouldn't let me take honors or foreign language classes. What's worse was that other students knew I had an IEP, because the teachers would speak to me and bring me fully-written notes.
They also put me in slower classes. These classes weren't special ed per say, but they were definitely made for students who learned more slowly.
The kids in these classes typically had ADHD, minor autism, minor OCD, behavioral problems, or it just took them longer to learn.

It wasn't until my junior year at a new school that I convinced them that I no longer needed it. My self-confidence went up, I had the best grades ever, and I didn't hate school anymore.

TLDR: Special education is good for students with full-blown autism. Anyone who is competent and self-aware should not be put in that system.
 
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I was in special ed in my elementary years because I was a slow learner/bloomer and plain didn't care about my education when I was a child. I got caught up in middle school.

Even if a kid is slow, they still need an education. My teacher never wanted me to progress on other things. What really frustrated me was that I wanted harder work, and they never gave it to me. Even my parents told them at conferences that I want harder work. I need to be challenged in order to be motivated. If I'm not challenged enough, I don't really try my best and give it my all especially in college.

I'm high functioning on the spectrum, I've been working for five years now. I didn't get a diagnosis until I was 18.
 
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lurk_moar dijo:
I was in special ed in my elementary years because I was a slow learner/bloomer and plain didn't care about my education when I was a child. I got caught up in middle school.

Even if a kid is slow, they still need an education. My teacher never wanted me to progress on other things. What really frustrated me was that I wanted harder work, and they never gave it to me. Even my parents told them at conferences that I want harder work. I need to be challenged in order to be motivated. If I'm not challenged enough, I don't really try my best and give it my all especially in college.

I'm high functioning on the spectrum, I've been working for five years now. I didn't get a diagnosis until I was 18.
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Why would they not want you to progress?
 
ChuckSlaughter dijo:
Not required to collect paycheck.
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Pretty much the system in a nutshell. I figured that out in my early teens when it came to the way they were often teach us with outdated textbooks and often meant for grades a few years before us (I would be in the 8th grade and they'd be using 6th/7th grade books for instance).
 
lurk_moar dijo:
I was in special ed in my elementary years because I was a slow learner/bloomer and plain didn't care about my education when I was a child. I got caught up in middle school.

Even if a kid is slow, they still need an education. My teacher never wanted me to progress on other things. What really frustrated me was that I wanted harder work, and they never gave it to me. Even my parents told them at conferences that I want harder work. I need to be challenged in order to be motivated. If I'm not challenged enough, I don't really try my best and give it my all especially in college.

I'm high functioning on the spectrum, I've been working for five years now. I didn't get a diagnosis until I was 18.
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Seem like the method I had was to keep sticking at it. I was the highest grade-wise in the class and eventually started to get mainstreamed into regular classes starting in the 6th grade. It was still a slow process and I resented much if it, but finally it got to where I was in the 10th grade and the only Special Ed. Class I had was study hall after lunch for 20 minutes. By the time I was in my Junior or Senior year, I was finally out of the program for good. I never looked back.
 
Watched this in class yesterday:


Frankly, I think she has the right idea. Despite their good intentions, the way special education and these programs for kids with disabilities work is almost condescending and treats them like they don't really belong with the "normal" kids.

However, there's always going to be cases of disabled children who are barely functioning or cause several disruptions in the class affecting other kids' ability to learn. So what are you going to do then?

So I don't know. Ideally, I would want a world where special needs children don't feel like they are excluded or segregated from other kids in their schools. The reality is however, is that some kids just don't have that capability of functioning properly in a social setting.
 
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