Special Education - Your thoughts on it

  • 🇵🇦 Nuestro primer dominio localizado está en español en kiwifarms.pa. Our first localized domain is on Spanish on kiwifarms.pa.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Destacado
WanderingVagabond dijo:
I've been in Special Education for most of my public school life and it's both helpful and unhelpful both socially and learning.

I was placed in Sped Ed since the 3rd grade, it was because of learning disabilities and possible ADD/ADHD(to this day, I still don't know what other mental defects I have because it was either never reported or records lost, who knows). For the most part, most kids in Sped Ed aren't exceptional individuals or severe autists, they're just regular kids but have a hard time learning. I myself wanted to excel more than anything because I was bullied for my mental defects and learning disabilities after I got tired of failing and going to Summer School and getting in trouble.

The learning pace is much slower than it is for Regular Ed kids. From what I learned in high school is that Sped Ed classes are usually a week behind with material than Regular Ed classes. Some kids want to learn, some don't and don't give a damn. The teacher's aide(s) usually one or two goes around give extra support to some students that didn't grasp the all of the lecture. In Elementary School, some students don't really care about being in Sped Ed because they need to learn and whatnot.

It's Middle School and High School where being in Sped Ed is what makes some students in Sped Ed not want to learn or attend class due to fear of their peers making fun of them for having learning disabilities. For me, being in Sped Ed in Middle and High School was absolute hell because often times the kids who didn't want to learn always disrupted class, having loud conversations amongst one another or quiet conversations with each other that forces the teacher to have them stop talking every 5 or 10 minutes.

Plus since the Sped Ed classes and Regular Ed classrooms were in close proximity with each other the other kids in my class would disrupt the teachers just to have them close the door just so they wouldn't be seen by their friends who were passing by or skipping class. Sped Ed is awful for children and teens with learning disabilities and what have you that want to better themselves because there's so many obstacles that holds them back from becoming successful people in the future. My experiences in general if anyone begs to differ, you're free to do so.
Presiona para expandir...
How does it feel, knowing you're literally a retard?
 
Special Education is a hell of a lot more preferable than letting dumb parents who are too proud of their kid with obvious mental deficiencies be put in the same classroom as everyone else.

Most of my elementary school experience through 1-5 had one of those every year and it was absolutely the worst way to be exposed to a person with mental disabilities as a child, because they were literally holding you back by taking up the teacher's time and not understanding the lessons. The most intolerant I've ever been is during those years, partially because I was a dumb kid who didn't know better, and only in middle school did I grow way more tolerant and accepting.

I see it as useful for those who can move on later to hold down a job and progress in society, but the effectiveness of special education depends on the type of disability and the person, so it can be either an overblown daycare or a good way to help those who need it to get ahead.
 
Shaftie dijo:
Special Education is a hell of a lot more preferable than letting dumb parents who are too proud of their kid with obvious mental deficiencies be put in the same classroom as everyone else.
Presiona para expandir...

Parents who do that are basically putting their kid in the role of Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. Everyone is going to hate that retard and bully the fuck out of them.
 
The Giver dijo:
Something worth mentioning is that, sometimes, putting kids with issues harms the other kids in the class. Like, I've been in math classes where kids with developmental issues were mainstreamed. These kids were sometimes very good at math, but they absolutely were a distraction to both the teacher and the other student, and in at least one case caused us to get way behind due to outbursts and frequently asking questions.

Now, I feel for these sorts of kids, but at a certain point those who need more assistance than normal need to get that assistance outside of the normal classroom environment. Mainstreaming kids with serious issues, no matter how intelligent, ends up being a bad choice not only for those kids, but also for the other students and the instructors
Presiona para expandir...
I can only agree. Minor :powerlevel: I guess, but I happen to know quite a lot of teachers and every single one of them has major issues with mainstreaming when they're talking privately/off the record. They all think it's damaging to the the other students/pupils because they're constantly playing second fiddle to the 'special' ones, it's hard on the teachers and it doesn't seem to be all that beneficial for the kids with issues either. I guess they'll have a better chance of getting a job if they graduate from a normal/standard school though?
 
Now I have another question for the thread that I thought up because of what @Electric Eye said.

Electric Eye dijo:
It's also good to do it in classrooms separate from jackasses like me so they don't develop emotional problems in addition to the mental ones.
Presiona para expandir...

Are those with mental disorders more likely to get other mental/emotional disorders like Depression and Anxiety? A more specific question I have too is that, are autistics more likely to get depression than others?

High-functioning autistics go through the worst kind of social problems in my opinion (Though you are welcome to debate me on that) because they are more aware of the stigmatization they have and that their peers don't like them. I wouldn't be surprised if all high-functioning autists have even the slightest bit of self-doubt in them. Sure they can improve upon themselves but, and this is minor powerleveling, they usually don't realize the social mistakes they make until they are adults or they actually make them and it backfires spectacularly in their face like I did.

I might just be a different autist but that's something to seriously consider for a moment.

I think Special Education should try looking into more ways to help combat depression alongside other mental disorders in my opinion, once they leave the classroom, they're kinda open targets unless they know how to deal with the world around them and seriously, after some harsher teasing or even minor harassment, it can seriously take a toll on the more vulnerable (usually those that are in a special education classroom because their mental disorder allows them to be more vulnerable)
 
Lurkman dijo:
Now I have another question for the thread that I thought up because of what @Electric Eye said.



Are those with mental disorders more likely to get other mental/emotional disorders like Depression and Anxiety? A more specific question I have too is that, are autistics more likely to get depression than others?
Presiona para expandir...
Yes.

Lurkman dijo:
High-functioning autistics go through the worst kind of social problems in my opinion (Though you are welcome to debate me on that) because they are more aware of the stigmatization they have and that their peers don't like them. I wouldn't be surprised if all high-functioning autists have even the slightest bit of self-doubt in them. Sure they can improve upon themselves but, and this is minor powerleveling, they usually don't realize the social mistakes they make until they are adults or they actually make them and it backfires spectacularly in their face like I did.

I might just be a different autist but that's something to seriously consider for a moment.

I think Special Education should try looking into more ways to help combat depression alongside other mental disorders in my opinion, once they leave the classroom, they're kinda open targets unless they know how to deal with the world around them and seriously, after some harsher teasing or even minor harassment, it can seriously take a toll on the more vulnerable (usually those that are in a special education classroom because their mental disorder allows them to be more vulnerable)
Presiona para expandir...
Spec ed programs should and are doing exactly as you say. Although, you are definitely high-functioning and yes most do grow up realising that they did make social mistakes and try to improve especially if they've gone through proper psychiatric treatment.
 
Lurkman dijo:
I've never heard of that happening, it didn't happen in my sped classes (I mean special education classes dealing with depression and anxiety issues for those confused by my writing)
Presiona para expandir...

Depends where and when you were in school. Depression for spec ed students didn't start getting taken seriously until relatively recently.
 
Lurkman dijo:
Now I have another question for the thread that I thought up because of what @Electric Eye said.



Are those with mental disorders more likely to get other mental/emotional disorders like Depression and Anxiety? A more specific question I have too is that, are autistics more likely to get depression than others?

High-functioning autistics go through the worst kind of social problems in my opinion (Though you are welcome to debate me on that) because they are more aware of the stigmatization they have and that their peers don't like them. I wouldn't be surprised if all high-functioning autists have even the slightest bit of self-doubt in them. Sure they can improve upon themselves but, and this is minor powerleveling, they usually don't realize the social mistakes they make until they are adults or they actually make them and it backfires spectacularly in their face like I did.

I might just be a different autist but that's something to seriously consider for a moment.

I think Special Education should try looking into more ways to help combat depression alongside other mental disorders in my opinion, once they leave the classroom, they're kinda open targets unless they know how to deal with the world around them and seriously, after some harsher teasing or even minor harassment, it can seriously take a toll on the more vulnerable (usually those that are in a special education classroom because their mental disorder allows them to be more vulnerable)
Presiona para expandir...

More or less. It depends on what's causing mental/emotional disorders like Depression and Anxiety. Considering that Spec Ed and Gen Ed classes are usually in one building on the same floor sometimes, the spec ed students can face bullying from the gen ed students and sometimes amongst each other. Guidance Counseling is standard for most spec ed students anyway(at least back in my days of public school).
 
Lurkman dijo:
I think Special Education should try looking into more ways to help combat depression alongside other mental disorders in my opinion, once they leave the classroom, they're kinda open targets unless they know how to deal with the world around them and seriously, after some harsher teasing or even minor harassment, it can seriously take a toll on the more vulnerable (usually those that are in a special education classroom because their mental disorder allows them to be more vulnerable)
Presiona para expandir...

Also even asshole kids usually have some grasp on the idea that beating up flat out retards is wrong and have some sense of shame about it. High functioning autists are weird enough to attract abuse and yet not obviously disabled enough that people feel guilty about picking on them for it.
 
Pepsi-Cola dijo:
I don't see the point in educating the mentally deficient. What's the point in wasting resources on someone that'll never amount to anything in the long run?

I guess the problem is drawing a line somewhere, but still.
Presiona para expandir...

Because most autistic people have intelligence. If you just sit around and refuse to educate them because of "what is the point" you WILL get a lot of Chris Chan's in this world. If Chris was treated correctly by birth in his hometown and by his parents he arguably might be something. Of course it stops being their fault at a certain point and starts becoming his.

I would rather have a classroom of 20 tards using school resources and have 5 come out useful, then to have them all be a drain for the rest of their lives.
 
ZeCommissar dijo:
Because most autistic people have intelligence. If you just sit around and refuse to educate them because of "what is the point" you WILL get a lot of Chris Chan's in this world. If Chris was treated correctly by birth in his hometown and by his parents he would arguably might be something. Of course it stops being their fault at a certain point and starts becoming his.

I would rather have a classroom of 20 tards using school resources and have 5 come out useful, then to have them all be a drain for the rest of their lives.
Presiona para expandir...
Autistics are born morons with no forseeable intelligence, name me one successful Autistic person...oh wait you cant.
 
Shaftie dijo:
Most of my elementary school experience through 1-5 had one of those every year and it was absolutely the worst way to be exposed to a person with mental disabilities as a child, because they were literally holding you back by taking up the teacher's time and not understanding the lessons.
Presiona para expandir...

I had a really autistic kid in my 2nd and 3rd grade classes awhile back, and he would scream at the top of his lungs at the slightest thing, and refuse to do anything the teacher told him unless he was being rewarded for it someway, if she kept pushing him to do it he would once again start the flailing and the screaming.

Needless to say my view on autistic people used to be a little.....biased until I got older.
 
Destacado
Debes iniciar sesión o registrarte para responder aquí.
Atrás
Top Abajo