Sony hate thread

[moocow]

Well, according to sony themselves, they aren't going to subsidize it, make it a loss leader, or sell it at any appreciable loss whatsoever. When you look at the current BoM, just adding the retail cut alone would put it over $1,400 break-even, but that doesn't include things like the cost of R&D, marketing, distribution, shipping, etc. And, this also assumes no component of it goes up in price in the next 18 months. Multiple components are expected to further double in price by then. I genuinely think even $1,500 is optimistic to the point of almost being willfully ignorant, $1,500 is what they'd put it out for NOW if they were ok taking a loss of somewhere in the ballpark of $100-200. $1,200 is what they'd put it out for if RAM prices crash between now and November 2027.

Amazingly kind of them to commit such an unforced error and hand Microsoft, Nintendo and even Valve a shot at embarrassing them by releasing a console at under $1,500 (Valve's already announced $1k for the GabeCube™).

 

[Markorian]

Amazingly kind of them to commit such an unforced error and hand Microsoft, Nintendo and even Valve a shot at embarrassing them by releasing a console at under $1,500 (Valve's already announced $1k for the GabeCube™).

While I wish xbox would team up with valve to spitroast the ps6, unfortunately, I can't see the next xbox being more than $100 cheaper than the ps6, if at all, and the gabecube is unfortunately despite its price about on par with a switch 2. You could say they're giving nintendo a pretty big opportunity, but I doubt they'd really do much to pounce on it, they'll just keep doing their own thing while selling a system 3x cheaper that's still getting a lot of the same games because there's a smaller gap between the switch 2's specs and the leaked ps6's specs than there was a gap between the switch 1 and ps5, while games will still continue coming to the ps5 for even longer than they continued releasing for the ps4, making porting them to the switch 2 borderline trivial, assuming the optimization isn't being handled by jeets.

 

[moocow]

While I wish xbox would team up with valve to spitroast the ps6, unfortunately, I can't see the next xbox being more than $100 cheaper than the ps6

Yeah, I agree, it's unlikely. Microsoft's too greedy and stupid. They're tired of losing money on the whole venture and selling a new console at a loss to compete with the PS6 is an impossible sell for their higher-ups, I'm sure. So they'll be just as fucking retarded as Sony in the upcoming generation (which nobody has even really asked for, since it's widely accepted that nobody's even utilizing the current hardware adequately to justify any kind of upgrade).

Nintendo seems content to stick with Switch 2 levels of performance. It certainly hasn't hurt sales. Like you said, they'll just do their own thing over in their corner of the sandbox while the two juggernaut retards choke on the sand.

 

[Broseph]

Do people really buy movies on their game consoles?

I mean like enough that this is a big deal?

This seemed retarded to me even when I was 16-18 and the 360 was doing this shit.

I remember way back in like 2007 when the Xbox 360 allowed you to buy/rent digital movies on your console and that seemed completely retarded even back then. I mean who the fuck would ever pay to "rent" a digital movie just for the file to become inaccessible after you watched it?

He should’ve fucked off the moment that TLoU2 2020 massive leak happened. It was so bad it buck broke his ass into releasing the game by force.
I cannot believe people don’t remember that, not to mention ND pathetic excuse for blaming “Hecking chuds” for the leak instead of their own fuck up.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe it was a disgruntled Naughty Dog employee who leaked the cutscenes and Sony/Cuckmann tried to cover it up by blaming it on "an external intrusion".

 

[Markorian]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe it was a disgruntled Naughty Dog employee who leaked the cutscenes and Sony/Cuckmann tried to cover it up by blaming it on "an external intrusion".

Yeah, due to the horrific crunch. Same kind of crunch their current kikeslop is going through.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

A shittier buggier version 1-3 years later? Sure. Doesn't change the fact that the system has been out for most of a decade at this point and doesn't have a double digit number of exclusives no matter which way anyone tries to count it.

I can see this. I’m reminded of the time I purchased Arkham Knight on PS4 not realizing that it’s PC port would be a broken shitfest.

But would the broken ports still be worth it considering the still-low amounts of exclusives?

I apologize. I’m not entirely sure if you’re for or against or split on this based on your wording.

 

[p1138]

I can see this. I’m reminded of the time I purchased Arkham Knight on PS4 not realizing that it’s PC port would be a broken shitfest.

But would the broken ports still be worth it considering the still-low amounts of exclusives?

I apologize. I’m not entirely sure if you’re for or against or split on this based on your wording.

I personally don't care about the exclusive counting if it's on PC or not. There's been plenty of games over the years on a specific console, but then also PC and they're still a console exclusive according to some. But at the end of the day when you're having to stretch the definition as far as possible and still can't come up with more than 2 games a year for a console... that's just pathetic regardless of how it's counted.

At the end of the day, I don't give a shit about console wars. That crap ended with the Genesis and SNES, because the Playstation immediately ended it. As a grown adult with income, I don't have to pick one or the other, I can buy a Sony, MS, or Nintendo system if they actually have games on it that I'm interested in playing and with the current gen... it hasn't happened yet. Do I game on PC? Absolutely, but I'm not going to buy Sony's old slop ports either.

 

[Professor Donger]

Do people really buy movies on their game consoles?

I mean like enough that this is a big deal?

This seemed retarded to me even when I was 16-18 and the 360 was doing this shit.

I remember way back in like 2007 when the Xbox 360 allowed you to buy/rent digital movies on your console and that seemed completely retarded even back then. I mean who the fuck would ever pay to "rent" a digital movie just for the file to become inaccessible after you watched it?

You guys say this but a lot of people forget that the stigma around video games didn't really fully go away until like 2016. I knew plenty of people who convinced their parents to get the more "mature" consoles in the Xbox 360 and PS3 specifically because they could be used to play DVDs/Rent movies/download Netflix.

It is stupid, and consumers and boomers are especially stupid, but a lot of parents were hesitant to get something with that price tag unless it can do everything.

It's the same logic that had Nintendo call the SNES and NES "Entertainment Systems" instead of game consoles.

 

[p1138]

You guys say this but a lot of people forget that the stigma around video games didn't really fully go away until like 2016. I knew plenty of people who convinced their parents to get the more "mature" consoles in the Xbox 360 and PS3 specifically because they could be used to play DVDs/Rent movies/download Netflix.

It is stupid, and consumers and boomers are especially stupid, but a lot of parents were hesitant to get something with that price tag unless it can do everything.

It's the same logic that had Nintendo call the SNES and NES "Entertainment Systems" instead of game consoles.

You're right, but the average consoomer is unfortunately a fucking retard and the rest of us get to deal with their dumb decision making. That's why I said this shit started 20 years ago, because it did and even though consoomers have been complaining, they keep opening up their wallets.

I can actually think of one recent-ish consumer victory based purely off of not buying the fucking product. That would be ATSC 3.0 tuners for digital broadcast TV in the US because the NAB(national association of broadcasters) tried to implement fucking internet access required DRM to watch broadcast TV. I don't think I need to elaborate on how fucking stupid that is.

Dumb consoomers are why we have the preorder bonuses, battle passes, subscriptions just to play multiplayer, microtransactions that aren't even just cosmetics anymore, 100 different streaming services, the subscriptions for features built into cars, it took government legislation to get phone companies to use one basic standard cable, etc. This shit goes way beyond just game consoles, because the dumb consoomers can't just not spend their fucking money and let a feature/product/company just fail.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

You guys say this but a lot of people forget that the stigma around video games didn't really fully go away until like 2016. I knew plenty of people who convinced their parents to get the more "mature" consoles in the Xbox 360 and PS3 specifically because they could be used to play DVDs/Rent movies/download Netflix.

Buying a console to play DVD's or watch Netflix is different from buying a film digitally on a gaming marketplace, though.

Like, if 18 year old me thought that was fucking retarded in 2007, how the fuck are boomer ass mom and dad going to think about it in 2007?

Also, I thought Nintendo called them Entertainment Systems instead of "Computers". Have they *ever* called anything a game console?

 

[Professor Donger]

Also, I thought Nintendo called them Entertainment Systems instead of "Computers". Have they *ever* called anything a game console?

Apparently they pushed to have every console called a "console" or game console pretty aggressively back in the 90s because peoples boomer parents were calling every videogame console under the sun a "Nintendo" which made them afraid they'd lose their copyrights and trademarks to specific systems.

Here's an ad from a magazine that kinda touches on it

 

[Problematic User Forever]

Apparently they pushed to have every console called a "console" or game console pretty aggressively back in the 90s because peoples boomer parents were calling every videogame console under the sun a "Nintendo" which made them afraid they'd lose their copyrights and trademarks to specific systems.

Here's an ad from a magazine that kinda touches on it

They don't even use the term console in that advert, though.

 

[Professor Donger]

They don't even use the term console in that advert, though.

Yeah I'm sadly at work and trying to look it up. It might just be hearsay and rumors, but honestly it is something I could see Nintendo doing.

Edit: the only sources I found for this are on Wikipedia



Here are the archived articles.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

I just always remember the story being that Nintendo named it "Entertainment System" in the west instead of "Famicom" because they wanted to distance themselves from the term "computer" because the video game crash had just happened and Atari had called their systems "video computer systems" (I think Colecovision also advertised it could be upgraded to a computer or something)

Edit: Looking it up, Vectrex also advertised itself as a "Graphic Computer System" and I'm pretty sure the Odyssey was also advertised with the word "computer" in it.

So like, Nintendo may very well have pushed the "game console" designation after the fact, but I'm pretty sure the NES and SNES were named to distance themselves from game computers and not consoles.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

I mean who the fuck would ever pay to "rent" a digital movie just for the file to become inaccessible after you watched it?

The delicious and most apparent irony of that being (given recent events), even the movies you ""buy"" are clearly just rentals in truth. You'll see this kind of talk around the precious metals thread and for good reason, as the principle remains the same - if you don't hold it, you don't own it. This applies to digital currency, digital games, digital music, anything digital. Which is why I'm such an advocate for wearing a peg leg and having a parrot on your shoulder, it allows you to turn the otherwise digital rental into physical ownership. Why just a few minutes ago I boarded the S.S. Torrent and acquired a movie for myself. This movie is now in my XHD treasure chest, forever mine, easy to move, easy to hide, easy to copy ad infinitum, free from any sony cancellation, or gay nintendo online rental fee, or any change in company/distributor policy. Yar Har Fiddle Dee Dee, Being A Pirate Is Alright You See, Do What You Want To Cause Pirates Be Free - You Are A Pirate.

Anything that requires an internet connection to function (or to be updated) is immediately in a questionable zone for actual ownership of the product.

 

[Computer Guardian]

The delicious and most apparent irony of that being (given recent events), even the movies you ""buy"" are clearly just rentals in truth. You'll see this kind of talk around the precious metals thread and for good reason, as the principle remains the same - if you don't hold it, you don't own it. This applies to digital currency, digital games, digital music, anything digital. Which is why I'm such an advocate for wearing a peg leg and having a parrot on your shoulder, it allows you to turn the otherwise digital rental into physical ownership. Why just a few minutes ago I boarded the S.S. Torrent and acquired a movie for myself. This movie is now in my XHD treasure chest, forever mine, easy to move, easy to hide, easy to copy ad infinitum, free from any sony cancellation, or gay nintendo online rental fee, or any change in company/distributor policy. Yar Har Fiddle Dee Dee, Being A Pirate Is Alright You See, Do What You Want To Cause Pirates Be Free - You Are A Pirate.
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Anything that requires an internet connection to function (or to be updated) is immediately in a questionable zone for actual ownership of the product.

daww... he's still thinking he's special for pirating movies and games like people who arn't pure niggercattle have been doing for entire decades, maybe he should ask for a medal for that too.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

daww... he's still thinking he's special for pirating movies and games like people who arn't pure niggercattle

there's your problem. the majority of people ARE niggercattle. He (and I, and other people who pirate media) ARE rarities. if they weren't EVERYBODY would be doing it and these shitheap companies wouldn't have a single leg to stand on.

 

[The Last Stand]

You'll see this kind of talk around the precious metals thread and for good reason, as the principle remains the same - if you don't hold it, you don't own it. This applies to digital currency, digital games, digital music, anything digital.

The Crew released in a physical format, but you cannot launch the game because the game proper wasn't on disc per se, rather it was handled server side somewhere.

 

[Computer Guardian]

He (and I, and other people who pirate media) ARE rarities. if they weren't EVERYBODY would be doing it and these shitheap companies wouldn't have a single leg to stand on.

Then riddle me this, Batman, why would someone who preaches about how grand and superior piracy is on a site that has a userbase that like me, you, and the other guy, knows a lot about piracy and it's benefits to the point there is a dedicated piracy thread instead of by word of mouth or any other website that would be less censorous compared to social media? On a site like this, you ain't special for pirating Impossamole for the Turbografix-16, or whatever game comes off the modern gaming industry assembly line, nor are you special for pirating Gayniggers from Outer Space and to act like it is is a very retarded thing to do.

 

[moocow]

On a site like this, you ain't special for pirating Impossamole for the Turbografix-16, or whatever game comes off the modern gaming industry assembly line, nor are you special for pirating Gayniggers from Outer Space and to act like it is is a very retarded thing to do.

Running a pirate train on your mom's ass every night is pretty retarded too but she seems to think it's pretty special.