Some cultures objectively suck

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I believe in the notion of the "perfect culture". For each environment, there's a theoretical culture that achieves the highest likelihood of prosperity in that environment, prosperity being a sufficiently objective metric that can be measured through HDI. In other words, the perfect culture is the culture with the highest HDI EV in that environment. Because humans are logical creatures, a culture's tenets tend to trend towards that of its environment's perfect culture, with some cultures moving faster than others. I'll illustrate with a few examples.

Western nations have adopted gender equality. However, in medieval times, men and women had vastly different roles, with women getting the short end of the stick. To put it simply, in agrarian Western Europe, a man's labour was worth more than a woman's, and as a result men had more individual power. It made practical sense to restrict men and women to the roles that suited their strengths. This isn't to say that this inequality was a good thing, but rather this structuring of society was pragmatic, and a consequence was this inequality. Come the Industrial Revolution, Western nations shifted from being agrarian to industrial societies. As a result, the value of a man and woman's labour become equal. The previous system of gender inequality was no longer practical, and gender equality followed. This is an example of an environment changing, then its culture realigning towards its the perfect culture, and how in developed countries, gender equality is a tenet of their perfect culture.

An example of a suboptimal culture is that of Arab nations. Arab cultures are greatly influenced by Islam, which was codified into many of their cultures by Sharia Law. Islam spread across these nations due to conquest, but one of the reasons it was able to entrench itself was its proximity to the perfect culture Arab countries at the time (Islam was founded in 610 CE). However, the environments of these Arab nations have greatly changed since then, but due to their strict adherence to Islam, their movement towards their perfect culture has been slow. This can be seen in some of their suboptimal tenets such as their gender inequality. In the modern day, a strict adherence to Islam is at odds with a developed nation's "perfect culture".

In short, I believe that you can objectively analyse a culture through its distance from its environment's perfect culture, and decide that cultures are optimal or suboptimal. In addition, cultures of similar environments can be compared using this same rationale. I'd argue that most developed countries are sufficiently alike due to technology and globalisation, and can thus be compared.
 
Everybody knows inherently that sone cultures should not exist, the question is how far are we willing to go to wipe them off the planet. Re-education barely works, killing the brutes is effective but only if you kill most of them.
 
>CE instead of AD
>Islam made sense someplace sometime
>gender equality is a good thing

Umm sir? Reddit is that way.
 
Everybody knows inherently that sone cultures should not exist, the question is how far are we willing to go to wipe them off the planet. Re-education barely works, killing the brutes is effective but only if you kill most of them.
Case and point, Papuans* having their coming of age ceremony include 12-13 kids blowing grown men.
*Can't remember if it was Papuans exactly, but it was somewhere in SEA/Oceania.
 
Op you sound like a moron using chatGPT. There is no helping you.

Everybody knows inherently that sone cultures should not exist, the question is how far are we willing to go to wipe them off the planet. Re-education barely works, killing the brutes is effective but only if you kill most of them.
Yeah, but we both know why we're not allowed to actually address any of these problems.
 
Everybody already believes this.

Conservatives and right-liberals believe Western cultures are superior.
Progressives and left-liberals believe that Eastern and African cultures are superior.
Both treat Japanese as honorary western culture.
 
Everybody knows inherently that sone cultures should not exist, the question is how far are we willing to go to wipe them off the planet. Re-education barely works, killing the brutes is effective but only if you kill most of them.
Everybody already believes this.

Conservatives and right-liberals believe Western cultures are superior.
Progressives and left-liberals believe that Eastern and African cultures are superior.
Both treat Japanese as honorary western culture.
Most people critique cultures against their morals. My post is about judging cultures based on whether they fit the meta for an environment.
 
We're all human beings with the same needs. You can very easily say that people in Germany have their needs met more than those in Congo. Prosperity can be measured, just not perfectly. Something like HDI is a good start.

Prosperity is subjective.

Africa has extremely high birthrates and Germany very low birth rates. Is this objective measure a good or bad thing? One will do better evolutionarily, but the other is actually having a pleasant life.
 
Prosperity is subjective.

Africa has extremely high birthrates and Germany very low birth rates. Is this objective measure a good or bad thing? One will do better evolutionarily, but the other is actually having a pleasant life.
Our bodies are machines, we're just robots with consciousness. We need different kinds of fuel else our body (not our mind/subconscious) sends us signals. How could or body know if not reading some objective input? People getting food = objectively good. People being socially fulfilled = objectively good. You tally these up and that's prosperity, but obviously its very difficult to measure. In terms of high birth rates, if given an environment, there's an objective answer for whether this makes people more prosperous. In an environment where resources are scarce, a high birth rate is easily a bad thing. If resources are abundant, it's good.
 
Everybody already believes this.

Conservatives and right-liberals believe Western cultures are superior.
Progressives and left-liberals believe that Eastern and African cultures are superior.
Both treat Japanese as honorary western culture.
I disagree, all westerners political factions majorly believes in western supremacy, the only difference is that the left will play White Man's Burden and argue that there's merit in African culture. At most they'll have some cheap African merchandise strewn in their house to show to their friends.

The only outliers are hippies and nerds that will argue that the Far East culture is better despite spending thousands of years murdering, enslaving and shitting over each other.
 
I'm sure those Kurzgesagt videos you watched were wonderful.

How old are you again?
Am I on Reddit? From the sarcasm to the smug condescension... if you're trolling or playing a character you're doing a great job.

You're trying trying to belittle me for putting something extremely simply, as if that wasn't the whole point.
 
Am I on Reddit? From the sarcasm to the smug condescension... if you're trolling or playing a character you're doing a great job.

You're trying trying to belittle me for putting something extremely simply, as if that wasn't the whole point.
I don’t get it.
 
You can't be both pro gender equality and tolerant of arabs if you believe women are better than trash you have to hate arabs
Recently I've read a book. A muslim woman wanted to divorce her husband because he was abusive you know typical stuff he beat her up for no reason and what not. He didn't even try to lie that he's a good husband. She had to go to a THIRD instance to get her well-deserved divorce. And the judges didn't say to the husband you're a piece of crap they said go get yourself a better wife. In the western world she would be given divorce really quickly because they had no children.
This is prolly Polish-only book but there are other books about muslims. Norwegian book "Honor the story of a man who killed his daughter" or sth like this.

Arabic culture is nowhere near optimal. They only got lucky because they got natural resources.
 
I'd measure the quality of a culture by how it allows the individuals, regardless of their physical strength, to live up to their full intellectual potential the way they can positively contribute to the general well-being.
Everything that I could say further, would boil down to this.
 
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