Socialists?

[JektheDumbass]

Individual billionaires pay taxes. Whether it's enough is debatable, but they do pay a large amount when measured in dollars. Now corporations? Wal-Mart pays almost nothing in taxes thanks to the tax laws written by corporate stooges, and localities eager to suck corporate cock to get a shitty job creator there.

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Personal opinion: if you are on the council of a place so shitty that a bunch of minimum wage jobs where you get constant abuse would be an improvement, you should probably kill yourself, you have failed spectacularly.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

My two cents on this is I think socialists are sometimes correct in their criticisms on capitalism but their solutions for it are either retarded or don’t actually fix what they are initially complaining about.

Like, why the fuck do some socialists now support mass immigration when the cause of it is capitalists trying to acquire more debt and it screws over millennials from getting any easy entry jobs?

And the less said about Anarchism the better, Stalin did nothing wrong in purging Anarcho-kiddes in places like Spain

 

[CamelCursive]

Individual billionaires pay taxes. Whether it's enough is debatable, but they do pay a large amount when measured in dollars. Now corporations? Wal-Mart pays almost nothing in taxes thanks to the tax laws written by corporate stooges, and localities eager to suck corporate cock to get a shitty job creator there.

EDIT

Personal opinion: if you are on the council of a place so shitty that a bunch of minimum wage jobs where you get constant abuse would be an improvement, you should probably kill yourself, you have failed spectacularly.

Wal-Mart is sometimes 'bad' for an area, sometimes it's great. Nothing is ever going to be a 100% net positive. YMMV

I grew up in a small town. Wal-Mart was a blessing. Why?

Because the 'small town businesses at a lot of places were flat-out price-gougers. Yes, I know they need to make a profit- but when they're fully aware that it's either "pay me 50% more for this item or drive 40 minutes, sucker". And we had absolutely absurd prices on stuff locally- fuel being absolutely stupid expensive. And we're not talking monopolies- even competing businesses were in cahoots and set their prices ridiculously high.

To give you some perspective on what it took to shop for our family- like buying clothes, household items, and groceries that weren't from the farm? My parents took two vehicles once every couple of months and loaded them down so we could be stocked up for 3 or more months, because local prices were simply unaffordable and the drive was long.

And it wasn't like any businesses were creating jobs- they only hired their own kids, if anyone. Finding someone in their early adulthood with a job was almost unheard of, because people just left and worked somewhere else. And honestly, that put a beating on the businesses because the town was actually dying and on its way to becoming a ghost town.

Wal-Mart actually helped- it gave a lot of people work, and it made a lot of things more affordable for the people who lived there. And around it, other businesses sprouted up. Oh, and you can bet your ass the local business cartels banded together and tried to fight Wal-Mart, to the point where they got some Native American guy to claim that the land was "sacred" to a tribe that was confirmed to be extinct for centuries before settlers arrived, and with absolutely no evidence. They went as far as to try and intimidate and threaten people that applied for work at Wal-Mart.

It's not a booming town by any means, but it's doing a lot better and that correlates with Wal-Mart being built. But I'm not stupid enough to believe that it's a boon to every community.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

Like I said at the start, if some blue checkmark on Twitter said this about nazis I'm almost certain that you would be foaming at the mouth about how violent the left is and that they need to learn to be more civil. Anyone who hates socialists more than they hate fascists at the very least has fucked-up priorities. You've shown the world where your true sympathies lie.

The second someone declares my natural rights abrogated, they lose their claim to their own natural rights. Communists and modern American Socialists are easily the most obvious group advocating for exactly that, unless you want to talk about the repeated attempts of hilariously exceptional African Marxists, in country after country, that have tried to rob, kill and expropriate their way to utopia, and have ended up begging white people to come back and save them.

tl;dr

Listen, I'm not sure if it applies in this forum, but the REST pf the forums has a 1 month ban on 1 word replies, so you'll probably want to be a little more verbose in your admission that you're an idiot and definitely wrong.

Wal-Mart is sometimes 'bad' for an area, sometimes it's great. Nothing is ever going to be a 100% net positive. YMMV

I grew up in a small town. Wal-Mart was a blessing. Why?

Because the 'small town businesses at a lot of places were flat-out price-gougers. Yes, I know they need to make a profit- but when they're fully aware that it's either "pay me 50% more for this item or drive 40 minutes, sucker". And we had absolutely absurd prices on stuff locally- fuel being absolutely stupid expensive. And we're not talking monopolies- even competing businesses were in cahoots and set their prices ridiculously high.

To give you some perspective on what it took to shop for our family- like buying clothes, household items, and groceries that weren't from the farm? My parents took two vehicles once every couple of months and loaded them down so we could be stocked up for 3 or more months, because local prices were simply unaffordable and the drive was long.

And it wasn't like any businesses were creating jobs- they only hired their own kids, if anyone. Finding someone in their early adulthood with a job was almost unheard of, because people just left and worked somewhere else. And honestly, that put a beating on the businesses because the town was actually dying and on its way to becoming a ghost town.

Wal-Mart actually helped- it gave a lot of people work, and it made a lot of things more affordable for the people who lived there. And around it, other businesses sprouted up. Oh, and you can bet your ass the local business cartels banded together and tried to fight Wal-Mart, to the point where they got some Native American guy to claim that the land was "sacred" to a tribe that was confirmed to be extinct for centuries before settlers arrived, and with absolutely no evidence. They went as far as to try and intimidate and threaten people that applied for work at Wal-Mart.

It's not a booming town by any means, but it's doing a lot better and that correlates with Wal-Mart being built. But I'm not stupid enough to believe that it's a boon to every community.

I can accept that Walmart hasn't completely fucked up every place it's gone into, but their own business practices are straight-up abusive.

Let's say you make something, and they want it, they'll make you sign an exclusive supply contract, if they can manage it, so you're locked into supplying them with your product for X number of years. Then, if you manage to streamline any part of your processes, or tighten your margins, they'll demand that you knock 90%+ of the difference out of the already contractually agreed upon price. That's besides all the running mom & pop businesses out of pretty much everywhere that isn't an isolated town like you've described, or the intentional fucking of local work forces by hiring every exceptional with a heartbeat, so they can avoid paying out benefits, or their anti-union actions.

Between Walmart and Amazon, there's a LOT of people forced to rely on gov't subsidy to survive, because those companies will happily fuck their employees out of labour protections.

 

[JektheDumbass]

"I was only pretending to be retarded"

 

[Cheetahman]

Can you show me specifically that billionaires do not pay taxes? Because I'm pretty sure they do.

List of people named in the Panama Papers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some billionaires love paying their fair share of taxes so much, they're willing to employ vast networks created for the specific purpose of evading taxes.
Socialism in its modern form is garbage distributed by the nouveau riche (it probably still was during its conception), it is foolhardy to assume the rich are all saints.

 

[CamelCursive]

List of people named in the Panama Papers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some billionaires love paying their fair share of taxes so much, they're willing to employ vast networks created for the specific purpose of evading taxes.
Socialism in its modern form is garbage distributed by the nouveau riche (it probably still was during its conception), it is foolhardy to assume the rich are all saints.

So that's not our money.

Like it or not, we can't touch money that falls outside our legal reach any more than we can go and steal cars in Italy.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

>Hey guys maybe this brutal dictator who executed political dissidents for not liking him and protected nazis isn't an ideal leader
>This is somehow contrarian
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Are you trying to get the record for least number of brain cells? Next you'll be telling me how great Diem was.

Maybe your ad hominem would work if communist leaders like Mao Zedong and Stalin didn't orchestrate famines and other genocides that were so bad (and so avoidable) that of millions of their own people died (innocent or not) instead of just a washed up spic killing political rivals (which they also did, but that's honeslty par for the course in a dictatorship so I won't hold it against them) like the Holodomor or the Great Leap Forward. Also, maybe it would work if China literally was forced to become capitalist under Xiaopeng due to it quickly collapsing USSR style due to their autistic understanding of economics ( and fundamentally human nature). I never get why socialists of all stripes don't just read fucking The Wealth of Nations and see why their utopian bullshit theory won't work. It's in fucking Gutenberg and probably in some web archive collection somewhere easily accessible.

 

[Rand /pol/]

Maybe your ad hominem would work if communist leaders like Mao Zedong and Stalin didn't orchestrate famines and other genocides that were so bad (and so avoidable) that of millions of their own people died (innocent or not) instead of just a washed up spic killing political rivals (which they also did, but that's honeslty par for the course in a dictatorship so I won't hold it against them) like the Holodomor or the Great Leap Forward. Also, maybe it would work if China literally was forced to become capitalist under Xiaopeng due to it quickly collapsing USSR style due to their autistic understanding of economics ( and fundamentally human nature). I never get why socialists of all stripes don't just read fucking The Wealth of Nations and see why their utopian bullshit theory won't work. It's in fucking Gutenberg and probably in some web archive collection somewhere easily accessible.

"You can't say one leader is garbage without also saying these other leaders are bad."
That's basically what you're saying.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

"You can't say one leader is garbage without also saying these other leaders are bad."
That's basically what you're saying.

Except one is your typical brand of dictatorial garbage and the others basically committed genocides on par with the Holocaust. It kinda makes a bit of a difference mate.

 

[CamelCursive]

"You can't say one leader is garbage without also saying these other leaders are bad."
That's basically what you're saying.

It's actually more like this:

ADULT: "Communism and Socialism have proven to be catastrophic failures, and are pretty much responsible for the deaths of millions."
AUTISTIC IDIOT: "bUt ThE nAzIs"

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

Socialists fundamentally do not understand the basics of political activity. All of the ones I have spoken to fundamentally assume that when the laws they want are written that these laws will be perpetually interpreted and enforced to their intended effect. There is an inherent resistance to pointing out that if you give any political actors the necessary infrastructure to abuse their power, they inevitably will do so.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

It's actually more like this:

ADULT: "Communism and Socialism have proven to be catastrophic failures, and are pretty much responsible for the deaths of millions."
AUTISTIC IDIOT: "bUt ThE nAzIs"

Just because socialism and communism are bad doesn’t make the people who worship Pinochet type right wing dictators less autistic faggots. They’re the kind of assholes that would give up their own rights before letting people they don’t like have the same freedoms they do.

Also regardless of what Pinochet did backing a military coup in a sovereign nation because we didn’t like their economic policies was a real cunty thing to do

 

[CamelCursive]

Just because socialism and communism are bad doesn’t make the people who worship Pinochet type right wing dictators less autistic faggots. They’re the kind of assholes that would give up their own rights before letting people they don’t like have the same freedoms they do.

Also regardless of what Pinochet did backing a military coup in a sovereign nation because we didn’t like their economic policies was a real cunty thing to do

I don't know much about you, but I think you're smart enough to realize that Pinochet is a meme. It's edgy 4-Chan shit that's thrown around to trigger the shit out of the lefties, and they always seem to fall for it.

You also can't sit and pretend that hobbling communism was a terrible idea. For quite a while, Communist terrorism and terrorism that was sponsored by Communist states was the number 1 type of terrorism across the globe. The United States was very, very concerned about this as it crept closer and closer to our borders (and I don't think we did enough about the sympathizers/collaborators within our borders).

Yeah, sure, you can say "but it was a sovereign nation, not the US"- but I'd rather stop a threat dead in its tracks before it's killing people on our soil. Because terrorism isn't conventional warfare- by the time they've got the first blow, and there's casualties and publicity... they've accomplished their mission and we're just reacting and hoping we can prevent another pile of corpses.

 

[Sīn the Moon Daddy]

I'm still waiting to see how she pans out. A part of me wants some of her ideas to actually take off (in places I don't live), because the complete catastrophic clusterfuck that would follow... oh, boy. Oh, Ho- Lee- Fuck. I want to say it'd be absolutely fucking hilarious, but there's going to be enough misery with it that I'm pretty sure I'll end up feeling shit-awful for those folks and throw a few cans into a food drive bin.

I mean, it's pretty much confirmed that she was planted and propped up. She's not a politician, but rather someone hired to be the face of an activist group and work as a politician- we're just lucky that when she's on script she sounds fucking stupid (because she works for stupid people), and when she's off script she demonstrates the poverty of the English language because we don't have a specific way to describe that level of fucking stupid. The scary part is- that idea's going to set off light bulbs in some peoples' heads.

Wait until the right wing does it.

Better hope they're close to center.

As far as just being some actress in the employ of morons, yes. There's a question of exactly how independent most politicians are from their staffs but the fact is that she crosses the line and essentially works for her chief of staff, some rich pajeet who seems to be much better at stealing than coming up with nicknames. Alexandria herself has a history of misdealings, and is more than likely an accomplice lol

Riley Roberts is a real person and apparently has been seen on Capitol Hill but plays a surprisingly small role in things.

She's a watermelon, but she gets note for being their hive queen. Making her a one term wonder is really going to put a damper on the fun for an entire group of fuckwits who we're going to be better off dealing with now rather than later. Trump's reelection will really drive the point home.

As far as the actual shitposting it's something that's already being done whenever this idiot does something in her very own megathread. Have at it, Hoss!

 

[Emperor Julian]

Democratic Socialism has its merits, Cringey enthusiasm for memes inept military junta's copter antics to trigger the libs and own the libs aside once you conceed that some state intervention is neededto maintiain a functional society then all we're really doing is arguing about the scale of intervention.
The hard line Conservatives, libertarians and neo-liberals should also be mindful the quickest way to a pro-authoritarian insurgancy for facism/nazism/communism/whatever is to cultivate an alienated, desperate and angry underclass, which the US and UK are doing an excellent job at. What happens when the next Donald or Bernie decides he's done playing nice and the plebs love him?

 

[septuagint]

I don't mean in the way of "ben shapiro owns the libs, trigger the feminists" type of socialism, because we all know any of those types get laughed out of here, but I was actually curious if there were any Kiwis here who support redistributing the wealth? We talk so much about capitalism and it's wonders, I'd figure I'd see if there's any in here.

I do, fuck the rich. Also it's plainly embarrassing how our country lacks so many of the basic protections found elsewhere in the Western world, and if the establishment legitimately want to avoid revolution, they'd make American a genuine social democracy (we have welfare programs here, but they're relatively weak compared to other countries). FDR was smart enough to see this. The thing that is clear is that classic neoliberal centrism is no longer an option on the table, at least in the long term.

People need to read up on their history more, especially the rich.

 

[ButterBar]

I do, fuck the rich. Also it's plainly embarrassing how our country lacks so many of the basic protections found elsewhere in the Western world, and if the establishment legitimately want to avoid revolution, they'd make American a genuine social democracy (we have welfare programs here, but they're relatively weak compared to other countries). FDR was smart enough to see this. The thing that is clear is that classic neoliberal centrism is no longer an option on the table, at least in the long term.

People need to read up on their history more, especially the rich.

Welfare states are struggling everywhere right now though. Welfare makes up the vast majority of our spending even in the US. Socialist revolution isnt going to happen in America. Who the fuck is going to revolt in the US? We had that happen in the 60s and 70s, it was a bunch of fucking pathetic lolcows who bombed a bunch of places for communism. Euros are the ones struggling and straining vastly more than the US is right now, why should we look to them for guidance?

 

[septuagint]

Welfare states are struggling everywhere right now though. Welfare makes up the vast majority of our spending even in the US. Socialist revolution isnt going to happen in America. Who the fuck is going to revolt in the US? We had that happen in the 60s and 70s, it was a bunch of fucking pathetic lolcows who bombed a bunch of places for communism. Euros are the ones struggling and straining vastly more than the US is right now, why should we look to them for guidance?

The fact that the majority of young people here in the US are socialist speaks volumes btw. See here: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/13/yout-m13.html

I was referencing more Canada. Anyways my point is that, in the long term, neoliberal centrism won't cut it. Only question is, what will replace it?

 

[ButterBar]

The fact that the majority of young people here in the US are socialist speaks volumes btw. See here: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/13/yout-m13.html

I was referencing more Canada. Anyways my point is that, in the long term, neoliberal centrism won't cut it. Only question is, what will replace it?

Is Socialism Popular Or Is Socialism Polling Popular?

Polling on socialism is clearly popular right now, and it will be so until another issue catches fire and pollsters’ attention. But socialism itself is not becoming more popular among most Americans.

www.google.com

Depending on how you phrase the question and what socialism actually means to these people, and views arent static especially when you are young dumb and broke. Baby boomers at one point were the hippy generation, now staunchly on the right. People have been saying capitalism will be replaced in the west since fucking 1848. We are coming up on close to two hundred years of waiting for the socialist rapture to happen, and all the while in the west the communists and socialists have gotten more anemic, more pathetic with every generation. Back in the late 18 to early 1900s you had a lefty assassinate a president and massive clashes with cops and pinkertons. In the 60s and 70s we had fucking tens of thousands of bombings by lefties, we had the black panthers gunning it out with cops and other groups, we had a dozen or more assorted leftwing terrorist groups running around, we had a communist cult with significant sway in San Francisco politics commit mass murder/suicide of more american citizens than anyone else besides 9/11.

Now we have anemic soyboys and troons leading the charge who can hardly even kill anyone but thats not for lack of trying. They tried to get cartel guns, they tried bashing heads in with bikelocks. They cant do anything because social justice degrees dont translate to real world insurgency training and their arms are too weak and anemic from free trade vegan diets. Seriously, I could respect old school commies, they would ruthlessly exploit resources and people for their aims, the communist workers were fit, hardcore and ruthless. Now they somehow think they can
1. Stop exploiting the environment for resources.
2. Remove all companies or have them heavily taxed by the state.
3. Get paid a six figure salary for doing absolutely nothing. They want guaranteed incomes for nothing while also completely slashing economic activity heavily and keep all their cushy 1st world amenities at the same time.

You said look at history. I have. It makes things look pretty bad for socialism.