Opinion Science Fiction is a Left Leaning genre

This is a thread about the political stance of a large body of works of fiction, so I feel that Whitehall is the place for this thread rather than Spacebattles Main.

One thing that I can say with reasonable certainty is that over the two centuries or so of it's existence Science Fiction has far more often come from a left leaning source or has adopted a position that was left leaning (at least by the standards of the time). Let's look at a sampling of Science Fiction Works and Authors that most people would consider significant and were financially successful.

  • Frankenstein: written by proto-Feminist Mary Shelly.
  • Jules Verne: wrote works critical of Imperialism (Captain Nemo, an Indian who'd lost his family to British Imperialism and who hates the strong who oppress the weak).
  • HG Wells: Socialist with a lot of Socialist Ideals manifesting themselves in his work (The Time Machine is the big obvious one, but also the Invisible Man and The Sleeper Awakes) and was critical of British Imperialism (The War of the Worlds).
  • Issac Asimov: Prolific SF writer, atheist, feminist, die hard new dealer, supporter of LGBT rights when it was unpopular.
  • Superman*: Lead Character is an Immigrant, was used against the KKK.
  • Captain America*: A comic created in 1940 designed to embody everything American who's villain were Nazis. Unpopular run as a Anti-Communist figure got retconned into being an imposter. Often pitted against US Nationalists.
  • Twilight Zone: a lot of episodes were highly critical of society, usually from a left wing perspective.
  • Star Trek: has as an idealized future a techno-socialist society which a vast number of peoples have set aside their differences and strive together in which in which diplomacy and science are positive traits.
  • XMEN: Allegory against Racism and Prejudice in General.
  • Ursula K. Le Guin: Acclaimed SF writer from a Feminist and Environmentalist Perspective.
  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
  • Alien Franchise: Has women in traditionally male roles as well as a corporation willing to send people to their deaths to gain control of the xenomorphs.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
  • Terminator: US military builds a superintelligent AI which proceeds to start a nuclear holocaust and plans on exterminating all of mankind on top of feminist themes.
  • The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
  • Avatar: Ferngully in Space.
This is not a comprehensive list, of course.

This is not to say that these works are all the products of Perfect Leftists (especially given the argument you'd get in trying to define what constitutes a "Perfect Leftist") or are 100% Left Leaning even considering that the world they came from. Nor are we saying that Conservative Science Fiction does not exist, but it is a lot less common and a lot less influential. The most Right Leaning form of science fiction out there would probably be military Sci-Fi, but even that is not a hard and fast rule. Leaving aside the occasional reactionary like Kratman most military Sci-Fi for a long time has been onboard with a feminist idea of women serving alongside men in the Space Navy or as Space Troopers which was something many IRL conservatives oppose. A lot of military SF has roots in Robert H. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Heinlein and while Heinlein at that point did have a lot to say about military service as a positive thing and all that he was also not a conventional conservative by any means. Some of the Post Apocalyptic stuff has a Right Wing bias to it, but post-apocalyptia is a more contested field since the cause of said apocalypse is usually something such as climate change or nuclear war brought about by militarism. Not to say there are not exceptions elsewhere, but those exceptions are less common and more marginal.

As for why this is the case, I can't say for certain. One possible factor is is that science fiction had been a more niche product for much of the twentieth century which was other than the norm, either current or historical. In "The 50-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years" there are some comment about how a writer in the 1960s should quit that weird childish new Trek show and write some Western, though this is more of a historic reason. Maybe it's because people on the left tend to think more about where society is going in a more proactive way where things might be good (UFP, The Culture) or bad (Polluted Cyberpunk Dystopia**) but either way they'll be different from the status quo while conservatives think about an idealized present or romanticized and often mythological view of the past. But I would posit that there is some reason for this either in the subject manner or the culture which is prone to consuming it which leans left.

Would you agree with this or not?

*While there is a whole lot of fantastic elements in both their worlds, Superman is an Alien and Captain America is the product of advanced drugging/genetic modification/something vaguely on that line that would qualify as SF beings. Wonder Woman for that matter has always been a Feminist character, but she's a fantasy being.
**Insert "that's today!" Joke Here.

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I find it amusing they claim Ayn Rand, I know she fucking hated the Libertarian Party. They were a joke even back then.
Technically Ayn Rand was libertarian enough. The problem with Ayn Rand was that Objectivism was really a full-scale ideology to her, more Ayn Randism than anything else, and her disdain for libertarians included their lack of adoption of her beliefs regarding aesthetics.


Libertarian "thinker" Murray Rothbard crucified Rand's ego with this rather hilarious play. The satire is spot-on.
 
Technically Ayn Rand was libertarian enough. The problem with Ayn Rand was that Objectivism was really a full-scale ideology to her, more Ayn Randism than anything else, and her disdain for libertarians included their lack of adoption of her beliefs regarding aesthetics.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tuSodwE4q6s
Libertarian "thinker" Murray Rothbard crucified Rand's ego with this rather hilarious play. The satire is spot-on.
Sure, but I didn't say she hated libertarians, just the Libertarian Party. That's two vastly different things.
 
Famous left-leaning works like Starship Troopers, Farnham's Freehold, Honor Harrington...
Hammer's Slammers, The Wasp, Lensman, et cetera. There's a lot of science fiction out there that skews right-wing or libertarian, actually.

Which is funny, since he once commented that his 12-year old daughter could lift more than him and he was proud of that. To be fair, she's half cave troll but I can't imagine being proud of that. I'm glad Baen still exists so I can avoid the pedos and throw money at Larry Correia and that modern Mil Sci-Fi figured out self-publishing. There's a few other good things out there, but the genre has fallen a long way since the greats. No Gene Wolfe or Jerry Pournelle or Frank Herbert or Roger Zelazny these days sadly.
It's very telling that much of the modern SF community consists of danger hairs complaining that Baen "still exists and keeps publishing fash stuff".
 
Seeing as this has been necro-ed, anyone talk about "The Mote In God's Eye" yet? It's one of Larry Niven's last works, he was an excellent world craftsmen and all the aliens in his books feel like they have real evolutionary history. Anyway this one is about space catholics making sure a bunch of aliens who breed uncontrollably and then wipe themselves out apocalyptically over and over again never be allowed to exit their star system for fear that they will overrun the universe. It doesn't even read as being super political or allegorical and that bit comes near the end but I know some leftists were having a shit fit over it.
 
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Seeing as this has been necro-ed, anyone talk about "The Mote In God's Eye" yet? It's one of Larry Niven's last works, he was an excellent world craftsmen and all the aliens in his books feel like they have real evolutionary history. Anyway this one is about space catholics making sure a bunch of aliens who breed uncontrollably and then wipe themselves out apocalyptically over and over again never be allowed to exit their star system for fear that they will overrun the universe. It doesn't even read as being super political or allegorical and that bit comes near the end but I know some leftists were having a shit fit over it.
I was going to read it, so thanks for spoiling it. Sounds like a potent allegory, though, even if unintentional.
 
space catholics making sure a bunch of aliens who breed uncontrollably and then wipe themselves out apocalyptically over and over again never be allowed to exit their star system for fear that they will overrun the universe.

That reminds me that I've got like 2000 points worth of Orks to paint. The boxes have started to stare at me accusingly.
 
I was going to read it, so thanks for spoiling it. Sounds like a potent allegory, though, even if unintentional.
Sorry lol, I added a spoiler but you know you would have read it anyway :P You should read the book anyway too, it's probably my favorite and I read a bunch of his other stuff, Ringworld, Draco Tavern, The Known Space stuff...
 
She hated libertarians, though, not just the Libertarian Party.
Oh. That's sounds about right for most Objectivists I've run into, so I'm not really surprised. I'm not actually huge Rand fan, I mostly just chuckle at Objectivists on-line and appreciate the Russian lady's ability to make people angry.

Seeing as this has been necro-ed, anyone talk about "The Mote In God's Eye" yet? It's one of Larry Niven's last works, he was an excellent world craftsmen and all the aliens in his books feel like they have real evolutionary history. Anyway this one is about space catholics making sure a bunch of aliens who breed uncontrollably and then wipe themselves out apocalyptically over and over again never be allowed to exit their star system for fear that they will overrun the universe. It doesn't even read as being super political or allegorical and that bit comes near the end but I know some leftists were having a shit fit over it.
Talking about Niven and not mentioning the other half the pair. I know Dr. Pournelle died, but it wasn't that long ago. It is a great book though, and people absolutely should read Niven and Pournelle, although I think they're better when they wrote together.
 
Iain M Banks had space Communism but was cool. Peter F Hamilton is interesting because the Night’s Dawn trilogy had a capitalist chad and a rich as fuck heiress (or two) for main characters. The Commonwealth books had a theme of industry improving everyone’s lives, also some sort of fucked up LSD trip books, then the Salvation series went full troon so idk what to say there. And Alistair Reynolds’ Revelation Space books were just a mind fuck. He did go weird with elephants later.
 
You write as though Niven is dead. He's not.

Talking about Niven and not mentioning the other half the pair. I know Dr. Pournelle died, but it wasn't that long ago. It is a great book though, and people absolutely should read Niven and Pournelle, although I think they're better when they wrote together.
Okay, I think I must have heard of Pournelle's death and thought it was Niven? I haven't read any Pournelle (outside of Mote) but I have read a lot of Niven. It's weird because it's not like Rama II where I couldn't even get past two chapters of Gentry Lee trying to give personality to Clark's typical non-characters before I put it down (also I shit on Clark and I didn't like Childhoods End very much but I did enjoy Rama and the 2001 novels and one day I will read The Fountains of Paradise). Reading Mote for me was like reading any other Niven book, if anything it just felt a bit darker.

Also I was wrong, I didn't read Known Space, I read the Fleet of Worlds books which were a collab with Edward Lerner but take place in the greater Niven universe and again for me were always just "A bunch of Niven books with the Puppeteers and everything."

I guess I should give Pournelle a shot honestly if you have any recommendations? The last sci-fi thing I read was Red Mars and I put it down halfway for just being so implausible, datedly optimistic, and just kind of generic (probably was good at the time though) and before that was The Expanse novelettes.
 
I guess I should give Pournelle a shot honestly if you have any recommendations? The last sci-fi thing I read was Red Mars and I put it down halfway for just being so implausible, datedly optimistic, and just kind of generic (probably was good at the time though) and before that was The Expanse novelettes.
I'd probably start with his other collaborations with Niven, like Lucifer's Hammer. Most of his solo work is in his CoDominium and Janisaries series, like Falkenberg's Legion, but some of them can be hard to find as I don't believe all them have been converted to ebooks.
 
Also, Gundam does have anti-war messages, but it's also pretty damn clear that pacifism is a folly ideal in its multiverse. Especially when you get to stuff like Turn A and Wing where pacifism is outright mocked.

Zeon does have a lot of intentional Nazi imagery. It's because they were meant to be the easily understanble visual villians, ala the Empire in Star Wars, and that the Zabi family perverted legit reasons for independence and self governance into a family totalitarian dictatorship. Japan has a big soft spot for them because they recognize that Side 3 had some legit points.

These people keep grasping at fiction and attempt to shape it to meet their real world issues. It's the Harry Potter syndrome where everyone who disagrees with them becomes Voldemourt.
The biggest thing was that Zeon officers were cunts, the grunts were generally good people and even some of the Zabi's weren't total cunts. The Colonies vs Earth in Gundam is a mix of elitism both perceived and real, environmentalism, forced immigration, representation of themselves, and Ghiren being a based Hitler follower.

War in the Pocket is the best One Year War OVA. Even the dub isn't bad, dub Al seeing Bernie getting ready to strike the Alex is fucking great.
 
Duh. It's the only place their ideas can exist with a veneer of realism.
 
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