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It may sound far-fetched, but a breakthrough in Israel has brought us a step closer to creating artificial wombs for humans.

A team of Israeli scientists announced the mother of all inventions last week. Researchers from the Weizmann Institute of Science revealed in the journal Nature that they had successfully gestated hundreds of mice inside an artificial womb. They placed newly fertilised eggs inside glass vials rotating in a ventilated incubator, and grew the embryos for 11 days – the mid-point of a mouse pregnancy – outside their mothers’ bodies. The embryos developed normally; their hearts, visible through the glass vials, pounded steadily at 170 beats per minute.

The mice were no bigger than sunflower seeds, but what they represent is enormous: the breakthrough brings us one step closer to reproduction without pregnancy. The division of labour in gestation is the most intractable imbalance between the sexes. Men only have to contribute a single cell to make a baby, whereas women carry their children for nine months and give birth, sometimes risking their bodies and often risking their careers, in a world of work built largely by men. An artificial womb would mean complete reproductive parity between the sexes: all anyone needs to do is throw in their gametes and the rest is taken care of. But this equality could come at great cost to women. This is radically disruptive technology, and with every new development we are sleepwalking into a world of tough ethical choices.

The idea of babies grown in jars may conjure up images of the hatchery of Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World or the foetus fields of The Matrix, but scientists have been trying to make it happen for decades. In 1992, Japanese researchers had some success growing goats inside rubber sacs. In 2017, researchers at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) revealed they had grown lamb foetuses in plastic bags from the equivalent of around halfway through a typical ewe pregnancy to full term. In 2019, Dutch researchers received a €2.9m (£2.6m) grant from the EU to develop an artificial womb that would use replicas of human babies dotted with sensors before being deployed in hospitals.

The scientists behind these innovations are motivated by noble intentions: they want to save the most vulnerable human beings on the planet by improving outcomes for super-premature babies, or to understand early gestation, and why so many pregnancies end in miscarriage. Artificial wombs offer a window on to the closed world of embryonic development, so the reasons it might go wrong can be studied in real time. They allow the process of gestation to continue outside the body, so that babies born too soon no longer have to face the high risk of disability and chronic illness associated with extreme prematurity. It is hard to argue that something with such potential to save lives shouldn’t exist.

But artificial wombs could also undermine the basis of women’s reproductive rights and freedoms. In England, Scotland and Wales, the abortion limit is pegged to the viability of foetuses outside the human body; it’s currently set at 24 weeks’ gestation because foetuses at an earlier stage of development aren’t expected to be able to survive outside the womb. What if all foetuses, and even embryos, are potentially viable because they could be gestated inside an artificial womb? Any unborn child could be considered to have a right to life.

In countries where abortion is legal, access to it derives from a woman’s right to choose what happens to her body. But if unwanted babies could be “rescued” by technology – gestated inside an artificial womb and then given up for adoption – then abortion could be simultaneously pro-choice and “pro-life”. Why should a mother be able to decide to terminate an unwanted baby if an artificial womb can save its life?

This technology has been developed in order to rescue the world’s most vulnerable babies. It’s not so much of a conceptual leap to imagine that babies gestating inside the wombs of women who drink, smoke, take drugs or engage in risky behaviour during pregnancy could be considered vulnerable and worthy of rescue in an artificial womb. In a culture where pregnant women are constantly scrutinised and judged, and the state has the sometimes contentiously used power to declare mothers unfit and take away their children, the threat of this technology will have enormous potential to coerce and control pregnant women.

Many tech and media companies, including Apple, Google, Facebook, VICE and Buzzfeed, already offer to cover the cost of freezing their employees’ eggs so they don’t have to worry about dwindling fertility during the most productive years for their careers. Gestating a baby in an artificial womb may one day be a choice open to elite women whose companies will pay for it, or who can afford to cover the cost themselves. “Natural” pregnancy could be seen as a sign of poverty, of unplanned pregnancy, or a chaotic lifestyle.

A full replacement for pregnancy may be decades away, but artificial wombs are coming sooner than you think. Right now there are teams of researchers across the globe working on competing systems to replicate the human womb. CHOP is in the process of getting the US Food and Drug Administration to approve trials of its “biobag” device with human babies, and other teams in Australia and Japan, are snapping at their heels.

The obstacles to growing humans outside the human body will be ethical and legal, not technological. We need to be discussing artificial wombs now, and the precautious, contingent basis of women’s reproductive rights, before this technology arrives in our hospitals and fertility clinics.
 
I wonder if you couldn't just ask the adoptive parents to record audio, and have it sent in on regular intervals so that it could be played.
That would probably be the best bet. Recordings of the mother's voice and people around her, of her heartbeat, of the sounds inside a human body as it moves around.

Kind of like the ones who play classical music for the fetus and then are surprised when their sleep deprived fetus turns out to be a sociopath.

I kid, but recordings will be the big thing. Gentle movements up and down.

The artificial womb will also have to have padded interiors that provide resistance when the baby moves around, flexing their legs and arms. Babies move a LOT in there. I know a few women that the baby pushed hard enough their stomach bulged from the baby basically standing on their spine. It's kind of cool. Well, it's cool if you ignore the woman screaming.
 
This is just wrong. Not only does this open the door for all sorts of biological fuckups, but it takes the humanity out of birth. It might not be the perfect process, but it's done us well enough for thousands of years.
 
Actually, this kind of reminds me of something someone posted a while back in Tard Baby. A congressperson's daughter was born with Potter's syndrome, which is normally fatal because it involves not having any goddamn kidneys. Most women abort after getting that diagnosis, and with those that don't it's usually either stillborn or dies shortly after birth. But because it was a congressperson's kid they were able to use cutting edge treatment and put her on dialysis for two years until her dad could give her a kidney.

In itself it's a cool story that does offer some hope for what's normally a fatal condition, but unfortunately most Americans wouldn't have access to that kind of treatment. If artificial wombs ever happen forreal I'm sure it'll be the same thing, probably even complete with smug prolifers on the sidelines chiding women for aborting fucked up pregnancies instead of just sticking them in an artificial womb even though they couldnt even begin to afford that.

Tbh Tard Baby General would probably be an even more interesting and terrifying thread if artificial wombs existing. Technology like that would definitely do a lot of good, but there would be a dark underside as well.

EDIT: on the flipside I could also see it leading to Baby K: Matrix Edition situations. Where some crazy woman demands doctors put her completely fucked up brainless or whatever fetus in an artificial womb even though it will never be compatible with life even if it gets fully cooked. Or more kids like Tinslee Adams being born alive but medical technology not having progressed enough to give them any quality of life or real treatment for their issues.
 
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This is just wrong. Not only does this open the door for all sorts of biological fuckups, but it takes the humanity out of birth. It might not be the perfect process, but it's done us well enough for thousands of years.
Plus, you're potentially giving control of the childbirth process over to private industry or the government, who might one day just decide you're not allowed to have kids because you committed the double-plus ungood of not sucking off a tranny's girldick. Just get some health organizations to run puff pieces talking about how "We shouldn't have kids without these pods, trillions of womxn die every hour from childbirth complications, if you don't use these birthing pods you're a science-denying Nazi", and the vast majority of people would lap it up.

Combine this with gene therapy, and you're essentially giving the elites the power to change humanity at their will. Power which they will almost certainly use to make the perfect race of consoomer units to lord over.
 
Dubious. It's just test tube mice now, but if someone figures out how to transplant naturally conceived humans then we can have a new model of adoption where instead of birthing the baby then giving it up, you shove it in the artificial womb to give it up months earlier.

If we hit that point then your screams of "my body my choice" will become transparent calls for murder, you can't even say that pregnancy is long and hard and that's why you won't put the baby up for adoption.

Also : I thought babies were still listening to their moms and dads while in the womb, so they could identify their voices. I wonder how fucked up they'll be if all they hear is white noise instead.
Will removing the fetus damage it or the woman? If so, it's a no go.

Stream Baby Einstein 24/7 to the womb.

having older women give birth has already skyrocketed the amount of autism. Imagine the issues from being a birthed from a pod.
The pod doesn't breathe in car exhaust or drink the occasional bottle of wine.
 
It's an alarming thought. A foetus' entire environment is another human being. The mother's heart beats however times a minute throughout its entire development. A woman often finds she can't eat certain foods while she's pregnant because the baby doesn't like it and kicks the shit out of her. You can create a psychopath just by denying a baby cuddles and eye contact for vital early months of its life. What type of monster will you end up with if you deny a baby its mother's heartbeat during gestation?
I'm far more interested in these ramifications than w.e incel spergery is going on.

You already could theoretically "cut out women" if you adopted but that is nearly impossible for straight men, do you really think this will be any different?
 
I think people are being too negative. This would help decrease abortions by a lot, pregnancies could be taken over by the father or the family. It would also curb the amount of miscarriages. Pregnacy is scary, one bad drop, one wrong choice and your baby can end up either dead or retarded. Less children could be born with life-threatening allergies, and things like babies getting strangled to death by their umbilical cords will become a thing of the past.

Think of it more like an egg, birds are able to bond just fine.
 
/pol/ occasionally has threads about AI robots and does memes about them. FFS that cesspool /b/ has threads about those love dolls that look like one or two steps away from being lifelike.
Get super hottie DNA. Mix it with your own or whatever DNA you want. Make super babies.
Your wife / companion is the AI, your child is real.
Women become a complete waste in your life. They'll be flashing their sagging a / b cups as their own form of protest like usual at the steps of the capital to ban all of this to they don't have to retreat to harry pooter and twilight novels while intoxicated with bottle twelve of boxed / bagged wine while eating fast food alone with their cats.
Above may sound bitter, but it's putting the pieces together not for a societal collapse, but a reshaping. Women are completely unnecessary when you can program a loving companion and continue the human race without them. No more bitching about pregnancy.
No more bitching at all. No dehumanizing of regular or lower guys just trying to have a normal life.
If I were a slag, I'd be terrified about this. Those incels and such would be pointing their bony fingers at mean spirited roasties saying, "We don't need you," and they would be right.
I delightfully wait on the sidelines to see the fallout from this.
We’re talking about curing SIDs?
 
As bad as Man of Steel was, wasn't it a serious issue that the Kryptonians were born with artificial wombs and that Kal-El was special because he was born naturally? And that the artificial Kryptonians were fundamentally myopic when it came to any kind of thinking?
 
As bad as Man of Steel was, wasn't it a serious issue that the Kryptonians were born with artificial wombs and that Kal-El was special because he was born naturally? And that the artificial Kryptonians were fundamentally myopic when it came to any kind of thinking?
Are you really just trying to make an argument by citing Man of Steel as source???
 
This is just wrong. Not only does this open the door for all sorts of biological fuckups, but it takes the humanity out of birth. It might not be the perfect process, but it's done us well enough for thousands of years.
Don't ruin this. All these people that cried about 1984 are willingly walking into a Brave New World situation unironically and happily. I want to see their faces when the trap springs and they realize it was never about fascism, it was about it not being their kind of fascism.
 
I'm sure it'll be the same thing, probably even complete with smug prolifers on the sidelines chiding women for aborting fucked up pregnancies instead of just sticking them in an artificial womb even though they couldnt even begin to afford that.
I'm not sure how artificial wombs would solve abortion, but it's worth noting that not all abortions occur as a result of birth defects and to try and paint the pro-life movement as being mainly concerned with ”fucked up pregnancies” is disingenuous.
 
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