Race and IQ

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We don't even properly understand how the human brain functions in the first place. We can't even diagnose mental disorders on anything but opinion. They don't know how depression, PTSD, schizophrenia or even just basic human personality works. Let alone intelligence. We don't even know if IQ actually measures intelligence or if its even accurate. How do those mental disorders interact with intelligence? Why are lots of intelligent people prone to serious mental problems? Do we know yet? No, we don't. Hurry the fuck up, neurologists.

Here, out of my ass some markers that combined could tell more of the quality of a race than a magic number jews invented because they claim to have this number higher than other species. Nobody cares about your dumb "IQ", there are tons of people more intelligent than a nigger who spend their worthless lives on collecting funko pops and watching star wars. Intelligence is overrated because any living organism only has to do two simple things: survive and spread the genes. That's not particularly complicated but somehow it's the "intelligent" white boy faggot nerds who have a problem with it.

I had a whole arguement planned out but that's actually a lot better than mine.
 
We don't even properly understand how the human brain functions in the first place. We can't even diagnose mental disorders on anything but opinion. They don't know how depression, PTSD, schizophrenia or even just basic human personality works. Let alone intelligence. We don't even know if IQ actually measures intelligence or if its even accurate. How do those mental disorders interact with intelligence? Why are lots of intelligent people prone to serious mental problems? Do we know yet? No, we don't. Hurry the fuck up, neurologists.



I had a whole arguement planned out but that's actually a lot better than mine.

No elaborate argument needed for an obvious thing. If someone honestly takes pride in being able to solve puzzles a bit better than a sub-saharan nigger, that's pathetic as fuck. Problem solving? Yeah it's pretty cool. However in real life the problem you face can weight over half a tonne, be the size of a small car, be able to decapitate you in an instant and is running at you and you have 2 seonds to react.

IQ fags the type of niggas to not see the difference between these two problems:

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Before we can definitively declare that one race is inferior to the other because of different IQ scores, we have to know what it is we have actually measured and whether we have measured it properly. Then we have to define "race", because most people are mixed race, even the white supremacists.

So, though experiment: assume skin color is the only characteristic we care about. Measure the IQs of 10,000 people and then classify them based on how much melanin is in their skin (minimum, some, medium, lots, maximum). Now you can judge people. Or can you?

I personally think that IQ tests are valid as long as they are the ones that are normed across a large sample. The second revision Stanford-Binet with IQs in the 200's (like Marilyn vos Savant) is BS. Those scores are based on some false premises that are then extrapolated into pure nonsense.

Still, every IQ test I've ever taken* relies at least partially on a set of skills that get better with practice. If I give you a letter and one minute to list as many words as possible starting with that letter, will you score higher if you grew up reading novels? How about comic books? How about blog posts? If I give you a sequence of numbers and ask you to figure out the one that is missing, will you score higher if you went to a private elementary school in the suburbs? How about a chaotic public elementary school in a big city?

IQ is only part of the picture. It's not the totality of intelligence. When given a novel problem they have never seen before, the most intelligent human beings will figure it out and make progress on it. The poor kids who patiently teach themselves stuff from books while the world burns around them are way smarter than the rich kids who ace the SATs.

What have we measured? One subset of intelligence. Have we measured it properly? Until we can control for all the factors that may affect IQ scores (and being depressed about your shit hole of a life is one of them), we don't know.

* administered by psychologists, not the BS ones you find online
 
No elaborate argument needed for an obvious thing. If someone honestly takes pride in being able to solve puzzles a bit better than a sub-saharan nigger, that's pathetic as fuck. Problem solving? Yeah it's pretty cool. However in real life the problem you face can weight over half a tonne, be the size of a small car, be able to decapitate you in an instant and is running at you and you have 2 seonds to react.

IQ fags the type of niggas to not see the difference between these two problems:

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Solution to both: play dead.
 
Well I'll bite. While I think culture has the largest impact over whether a person will amount to be a contributing member of society, scientifically there will be a difference in the distribution of intelligence between groups that will also have an impact on their overall abilities.

But there is no actual way to know it in the modern world. Even if you had a better, objective test for intelligence (that also depends on how you define intelligence) than IQ, good luck having an academic body actually cooperating with you and publicizing the rather obvious results.
 
This is a very surface level chunk of an information iceberg that can easily change how you think about the world if you choose to spend some actual time reading some actual books with actual sources.
Don't worry, you can also read plenty of actual books about such things as Gardner's "multiple intelligences" or whatever other unsupported reasonings as to why IQ is racist and only determined by social economic factors and that it's eurocentric and so on. From what I've learned about IQ, you got things by the right end. But when one reads, indiscriminately, one might just as well end up learning the above.
 
>americans
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lol cope more 56%
Also I have this superstitious theory that the amerindians cursed the continent that is why america is fucked up

@OP,thefag
IQ is an effective measure of relative intelligence. But there is more to life than mere intelligence. Things like physical capabilities and especially character should also be taken into consideration.
How good is a two standard deviations IQ genius when he just lies in bed all day jerking off and watching anime? A smart person with a mere one standard deviation IQ, who expresses a decent and regular work ethic, would be a more worthwhile person to represent the race.
People can hate on krauts all they want, they have an admirable autistic work ethic. They've rebuilt after the systematic dismanteling of industry following WW1, they've rebuilt after WW2 and now theyre once again a world industrial power.

Sorry friend. If it weren't for The Marshall Plan, Germany would have looked like Romania under Chauchescu.
 
IQ’s just SAT’s bloated twin who is more acclaimed for allegedly being able to gauge at one’s “fluid Intelligence” (i.e. Visual-Spatial pattern identification) which some claim is one’s innate intelligence — different from learned knowledge as the test taker supposedly cannot prepare for its questions in advance.

If you think this through you will realize the above-mentioned stuff is nonsense, ‘cause even randomized pattern-finding is trainable and is influenced by one’s environmental stimuli. So in essence, IQ at best is good for identifying outliers that are incapable of learning in the normal environment. It does not, however, test any non-disabled test-taker’s innate intelligence. The variation of scores in groups and between such are most likely environmental. Black children adopted in the European families have no intellectual ailment when tested alongside their white peers, for example.

When blacks get shit IQ test scores, especially in the shitty US states, it’s quite safe to assume that a lowly upbringing, coupled with a lack of mental stimulation and any other nurture-based problem, is the real culprit of their low score. Same will go for the underperforming whites.

Having said all that, intelligence is indeed partly genetic, we just do not have the technology to determine as to how much. All those “intelligence genes” in experiments were and are, to date, not replicable. And no such tests accounted for race, because it’s retarded to do so.

“Race” is not utilized by the modern scientific community because it is a useless concept, and trying to argue for its existence (outside the realms of social constructs) is as autistic as defending phrenology.

Ignoring all of the above. Even IF one race was proven to be less intelligent than another, how does that make it worth less? Intelligence isn’t a basis for discrimination in of itself, unless you’re shit-posting or whatever.

IQ fags the type of niggas to not see the difference between these two problems:

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They’re both un-bearable for the mentally disabled.
 
/Pol says that black people have lower iqs than normal so they're subhuman. But then I read that the joos have higher iqs than whites so its definitely ran by the jooish conspiracy and shouldn't be trust worthy.
 
Such a comparison says little about race and intelligence. If people who live in grass huts haven't "progressed" in millennia it could be, because everything they need is locally available.

In order to build tall buildings out of brick and steel, you need a hell of a lot of infrastructure. In fact maintaining the buildings and the infrastructure is cumbersome and arguably unsustainable. Takes a heck of a lot of resources.

But thing is, you live in a grass hut it serves the same purpose as an apartment in the city. Shelter. And if some grass blows away, you just find more and stick it on. No worries about eviction, rent going up, the A.C. failing, etc.

So basing your assessment of a race's intelligence, based on their society's choice of housing, is an error.

The measure of how intelligent a society is, is its capacity to perpetuate itself.
 
@Alec Benson Leary

I know someone briefly brought up the Flynn Effect in the last page, but I'm surprised nobody ever brings it up in regard to race realism arguments.

I'm too lazy to link to an article, but I remember reading that in the 1990s some researchers re-adminstered one of the first IQ tests to a random sample of the population and the average score ended up being around 130. Also, the number of kids being diagnosed with mental re.tardation slowly decreased from the time the WISC-R was released until the WISC-III was, at which point the number shot back up.

Even more is that the scores on the culture-fair parts went up the most. So yeah. Environment can make a pretty fucking huge difference.
 
An amazing amount of disinformation and FUD about IQ in this topic from all sides of the debate.

No, IQ was not invented as part of eugenics nor was it invented by Jews. It was slowly developed at the end of the 19th Century by a Gentile British Psychologist working in an upper class boarding school who noticed that pupils who did well in one subject tended to do well in all and likewise that the inverse, those who did poorly in one tended to do poorly in all, was also true.

g, The term that has come from this history, is a term used to describe what can be thought of as the innate "general processing power" of the brain. IQ is a term for a scale that attempts to measure g in an objective, repeatable, and reliable way. IQ as a measure of g seems to bear out that it's not just "intellect" as you might conventionally think of it. IQ correlates with many measures of both short and long term memory, and correlates inversely with reaction time and visual and auditory Absolute Threshold (those who have higher IQs tend to be able to detect dimmer lights flashed for shorter durations than those with lower IQ). There have also been several studies that have found that IQ correlates with what people conventionally define as "intelligent" in that if you put a number of people in the room and ask them to chat with each other and rank everyone in the room on Intelligence it tends to correlate with what IQ tests measure, and the correlation becomes stronger the longer the conversation is.

IQ, in so far as IQ is a reliable measure of the central intelligence factor, g, is a meaningful predictor and is the single most well established and predictively powerful metric in all of Psychometrics. The US Army has found that the more intelligent a soldier is, as measured by the ASVAB which correlates highly with gold standard IQ tests like WAIS and Raven's Progressive Matrices, the more accurate a soldier is and the less likely to become a casualty he is, among other noticeable effects. The Army has likewise also found the corresponding inverse is true. see "McNamara's Folley" lecture on Youtube for more information.

Racial Supremacists, or at least the smart ones, do not see IQ as a single magic bullet that explains 100% of human outcomes on the individual or societal scale, and neither do psychometricians. Factors like Conscientiousness, Agreeability, and other Big 5/Big 3 traits matter a lot, as do specific genes like e.g. the MAOA gene. Another prime factor is Societal Trust, something that relies far more on pure race than it does anything else. A lot more goes into a successful society than just simply intellect, but a certain average intellect is required for a functional society. Think of an IQ >95 as a prerequisite for a first world civilization, rather than a descriptor of why a civilization is successful.

Environment is important, but only in so far as removing massively harmful things like malnutrition and poisoning. A small number of things are conclusively proven to increase IQ slightly, the biggest single one being breastfeeding, but these all cumulatively add to no more than a few points. Also worth noting the environment itself of that a child resides in is also somewhat of a product of genes being that the parents and community are genetically similar to the child.

IQ testing is the strongest and most reliable at around age 24, where it reaches approximately a .85 test-retest reliability. Before age 24 and especially before puberty it's increasingly variable and unreliable. You can safely discard any article claiming a prepubescent person as the smartest anything. After about age 50 IQ begins slowly declining irreversibly, though this decline is arrestable with the usual suspects of good diet, good exercise, and good sleep.

Saying a blanket statement that "Asians and Jews are smarter than Europeans" is incredibly misleading. China cheats massively on these tests and only tests cities, completely ignoring the country side. City states like HK and Macau probably do have IQs circa 103-105, but then you're taking an elite sample. Equivalent to taking the average IQ of Cambridge, Massachusetts and declaring it to be the national average. Same problem with Jews, most tests given to Jewish people are done on university students, a group already selected for IQ. There are also plenty of European groups that test well above 100, and even entire states that are >90% European that test above 100. Montana, for example, has an average IQ of ~105 including the white trash. I've seen studies placing Episcopalians at an average IQ of 115, which is on par with or exceeds what Jews are typically touted to have.

Small changes in the means of a Standard Distribution have massively outsized effects at the tails of the distribution. shifting the mean of a bell curve for IQ 5-10 from 100 to 110 or 90 can result in doubling or halving of the numbers of those with IQs >2 standard deviations outside the mean.

The commonly quoted Flynn Effect, that IQ was rising, is both no longer the case and was an example of IQ being differentiable from g in that g was not rising, only the measurement scale was. g in Europe (or among Europeans rather) has dropped anywhere from a half to a full standard deviation from the Georgian era thanks to the various revolutions murdering huge chunks of the highest end of the scale.

In the modern age of computes, Molecular Genetics studies have begun positively identifying specific genes that correlate anywhere from weakly to strongly. These genes both on their own and in combinations as gene clusters play a huge role in brain development, and do in fact vary among races which is known thanks to things like 23 and me.

This is a very surface level chunk of an information iceberg that can easily change how you think about the world if you choose to spend some actual time reading some actual books with actual sources.

This post accords pretty much exactly with my understanding of things.

There's a great recently posted article on the site Human Varieties that traces a lot of the thinking on this, taking Arthur Jensen's 1969 article concerning the Head Start program, which I'd encouraged people to read if they have any interest: https://humanvarieties.org/2019/12/...ot-unreasonable-hypothesis-after-fifty-years/

Charles Murray's new book that looks at class, race and genetics is coming out on the 28th of January, too - despite what you may have heard, The Bell Curve holds up remarkably well. Murray is also a pretty thoughtful political scientist - he predicted the growing polarisation of America that has really come to prominence in the last five years or so back in the '90s. I expect his new book will be pretty good.
 
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