Race and IQ

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Here's the dirty little secret.

Let's say it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that one race is more intelligent than the other, ok, but guess what? That still wouldn't mean violence or mistreatment of a certain people is justified.

It would mean that maybe society should be restructured for what's best for everyone, but it wouldn't mean genocide is the answer, every race has a right to their existence on this planet (and to be fair, that includes white people too)

I will never not be uncomfortable with violent "day of the rope" type fantasies, I do think the reality of race, whatever it is, should be looked at in a clear eyed and honest way without political baggage, but the answers certainly don't lie in violence.
 
Sorry friend. If it weren't for The Marshall Plan, Germany would have looked like Romania under Chauchescu.
Eh that's not very accurate. Germany didnt get that much and until 1951 the allies were thinking of de-industrializing Germany and turning it into a pastoral state, all part of the marshall plan. Furthermore, you had things like operation paperclip and its soviet equivalent, and the confiscation of patents and copyrights which essentially sapped Germany of much of their technological talent.
If there was anything that helped the germans with their post-war economy it was the ECSC and European integration, how bloated it might be today.
The marshallplan is not the source of the german wirtschaftswunder.
 
I don't know how much truth is in this, but I do find it funny that anyone who tries to talk about this gets called out as a white supremacist despite it not being white people getting the highest scores.
 
Charles Murray's new book that looks at class, race and genetics is coming out on the 28th of January, too - despite what you may have heard, The Bell Curve holds up remarkably well.
That's what got me started down the rabbit hole. I had become mildly curious about just what truth there may have been in IQ and naturally stumbled upon The Bell Curve when researching the topic. After reading the entry on wikipedia and all the various leftists claiming all these things about how idiotic and horrible and wrong this book was, I found a PDF copy online for free and just read the thing. When I realized that nearly every serious academic criticism of the book that wasn't just "Murray Man Bad" was directly addressed and refuted in the book and that anyone who used those arguments either hadn't read the book or was being disingenuous, that's when is started to take the topic a little bit more seriously. As an example of the seriousness with which he entreats the topic, the chapter on race and IQ has an opening paragraph that basically reads "Yes I know a whole bunch of you opened this book to this chapter without reading anything else and you want to use it to claim some political thing or another. Please realize that without reading the rest of this book this section lacks full context and you shouldn't base any serious decision on this chapter without reading anything else"

Every book Murray has written since has been a goldmine of useful information for the modern world.
 
It would mean that maybe society should be restructured for what's best for everyone, but it wouldn't mean genocide is the answer, every race has a right to their existence on this planet (and to be fair, that includes white people too)
I completely agree. Deer and hogs are beautiful creatures that have a right to exist just like niggers and abos and should be prevented from going extinct, but if overpopulation is causing problems we should think about what's best for everyone.
 
Here's my little take on it

If you're able to cough up enough intelligence to live your life with stability and rationally without resorting to full blown degeneracy then IQ doesn't mean Jack. That goes to whoever regardless of race.

For the big brainers that do complain about "muh 400 IQ", you better put that big brain to use and do something productive if not, just talking about it will make you look sloppy.
 
"Niggers have lower IQ than me, they are thus subhuman. Jews have higher IQ than me, therefore... fuck."

No we're saying niggers have the IQ on par with that of mentally challenged individuals.


Here's the dirty little secret.

Let's say it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that one race is more intelligent than the other, ok, but guess what? That still wouldn't mean violence or mistreatment of a certain people is justified.

It would mean that maybe society should be restructured for what's best for everyone, but it wouldn't mean genocide is the answer, every race has a right to their existence on this planet (and to be fair, that includes white people too)

I will never not be uncomfortable with violent "day of the rope" type fantasies, I do think the reality of race, whatever it is, should be looked at in a clear eyed and honest way without political baggage, but the answers certainly don't lie in violence.

Society is already structured to cater to niggers. They can get lower grades than any other race and still get accepted into universities, they can sue you for perceived discrimination if they get offended over something, and the media worships them. I say just bring back segregation for niggers only. Every other race hates them more than we do and we'll all get along just fine without them.
 
Here's a dirty little secret. All races have an equally low IQ if you average things out.

Idiocracy was on to something.

Idiocracy truly was insanely on point, people really are dumber now than they were in the past.

But what's hilarious is what Idiocracy got wrong and that's the "aesthetics" of things, it envisioned the future of idiots as basically being a blend of white trash and ghetto culture, what it didn't see coming was upper class hipster idiots who aren't as "trashy" but are still just as dumb and easily manipulated.

"There's that problematic talk again, bro"

Society is already structured to cater to niggers. They can get lower grades than any other race and still get accepted into universities, they can sue you for perceived discrimination if they get offended over something, and the media worships them. I say just bring back segregation for niggers only. Every other race hates them more than we do and we'll all get along just fine without them.

But it isn't structured in a way that seems very efficient because it's working under the assumption that they are equal, what would an unpretentious society that gives up chasing the ideal of "equality" and instead just strived for stability and security for black America look like?

Here's something white racists don't want to hear but it's true, one way or the other whether blacks are inferior or not they've still been mistreated by white America, slavery was wrong and should have never happened in the first place, lynchings were wrong, any crimes committed should have been handled by the justice system.

I've read about a lynching once where they burned a black man alive, people left directly from their Sunday Church services to watch this, the guy begged God for mercy and these good white Christians decided to just watch him burn alive, then they cut off his knuckles and sold them as souvenirs.

That is some sick, barbaric shit, the Bible says you reap what you sow and white America sowed a lot of violence against blacks, is there any surprise that it's been reaping it? Doesn't the Bible say "treat others the way you wish to be treated"? What message did so much brutal violence against black America send that they might have taken to heart?

Let me ask you this, is it ok for a guy to brutally beat a dog to death just because it's "inferior" to him?

If you wanna get "real" about race we can get real and that's the reality, white America has done wrong when handling it's black population historically, that doesn't excuse any bad modern black behavior, but it also doesn't means whites should get too high up on their high horse, the only way to a better tomorrow is for everyone to take a look in the mirror and face the truth.

But anyway, I'm playing Devil's advocate when I talk about black inferiority, because I'm not sold on that yet and what I can't help but wonder is that while you seem to think society is already structured to cater to blacks, I'm not so sure, instead I think the opposite may true thanks to Democrat policies that purposely keeps black America behind so they can have a reliable voting block.

The Democrats have created a culture of coddling, rather than one of self sufficiency and they're trying to do that for everyone, to turn us all into good little idiots and reliable voters.

The truth is that the powers that be want to keep blacks struggling, they're easier to exploit that way, the last thing they want is true equality.
 
Idiocracy truly was insanely on point, people really are dumber now than they were in the past.

But what's hilarious is what Idiocracy got wrong and that's the "aesthetics" of things, it envisioned the future of idiots as basically being a blend of white trash and ghetto culture, what it didn't see coming was upper class hipster idiots who aren't as "trashy" but are still just as dumb and easily manipulated.

"There's that problematic talk again, bro"



But it isn't structured in a way that seems very efficient because it's working under the assumption that they are equal, what would an unpretentious society that gives up chasing the ideal of "equality" and instead just strived for stability and security for black America look like?

Here's something white racists don't want to hear but it's true, one way or the other whether blacks are inferior or not they've still been mistreated by white America, slavery was wrong and should have never happened in the first place, lynchings were wrong, any crimes committed should have been handled by the justice system.

I've read about a lynching once where they burned a black man alive, people left directly from their Sunday Church services to watch this, the guy begged God for mercy and these good white Christians decided to just watch him burn alive, then they cut off his knuckles and sold them as souvenirs.

That is some sick, barbaric shit, the Bible says you reap what you sow and white America sowed a lot of violence against blacks, is there any surprise that it's been reaping it? Doesn't the Bible say "treat others the way you wish to be treated"? What message did so much brutal violence against black America send that they might have taken to heart?

Let me ask you this, is it ok for a guy to brutally beat a dog to death just because it's "inferior" to him?

If you wanna get "real" about race we can get real and that's the reality, white America has done wrong when handling it's black population historically, that doesn't excuse any bad modern black behavior, but it also doesn't means whites should get too high up on their high horse, the only way to a better tomorrow is for everyone to take a look in the mirror and face the truth.

But anyway, I'm playing Devil's advocate when I talk about black inferiority, because I'm not sold on that yet and what I can't help but wonder is that while you seem to think society is already structured to cater to blacks, I'm not so sure, instead I think the opposite may true thanks to Democrat policies that purposely keeps black America behind so they can have a reliable voting block.

The Democrats have created a culture of coddling, rather than one of self sufficiency and they're trying to do that for everyone, to turn us all into good little idiots and reliable voters.

The truth is that the powers that be want to keep blacks struggling, they're easier to exploit that way, the last thing they want is true equality.

I agree bring back segregation. It's too dangerous having negros in school with our precious white babies. Also I don't give a shit about lynchings because more Italians were lynched than negros and I don't hear them crying or looking for handouts.
 
what it didn't see coming was upper class hipster idiots who aren't as "trashy" but are still just as dumb and easily manipulated.
Maybe not by appearance or at first glance, but you look at their sex lives and they are just as, if not trashier.

every time someone on the internet brings this up, i tell them to bow down to me since according to statistics, my intelligence is superior to theirs.

How does displaying an inability to seperate group statistics from individual statistics display that you're even among the average of your group?
 
I see no valuable discussion here. Liberals are gonna deny deny deny.

Here's the dirty little secret.

Let's say it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that one race is more intelligent than the other, ok, but guess what? That still wouldn't mean violence or mistreatment of a certain people is justified.

It would mean that maybe society should be restructured for what's best for everyone, but it wouldn't mean genocide is the answer, every race has a right to their existence on this planet (and to be fair, that includes white people too)

I will never not be uncomfortable with violent "day of the rope" type fantasies, I do think the reality of race, whatever it is, should be looked at in a clear eyed and honest way without political baggage, but the answers certainly don't lie in violence.

Devil's advocate: This policy would guarantee a white majority anyway due to white people's wide SD. If race centrism is evil then most POC's would be gone. White people hate their race the most. You would have to keep women for population reasons.
 
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I could ask you the same question.
Why would you? I do seperate group statistics from individual statistics. I try to use the right level of magnification for the topic under discussion.

Why do you believe your IQ is superior to the ones of the people you're mocking?
I wasn't mocking people, I was mocking you.
 
I agree bring back segregation. It's too dangerous having negros in school with our precious white babies. Also I don't give a shit about lynchings because more Italians were lynched than negros and I don't hear them crying or looking for handouts.
I agree. In the interest of Negroes across America and beyond, we should keep all whites safely contained as far away as possible,
 
My theory is that the land resources and the other people around you determine how you can evolve as a race.
Out of Africa, only the northern African civilizations such as Egypt were thriving for millennia, because they had the most fertile land, therefore they were relatively rich as a nation, therefore more people of higher classes could get decent education. They were also in the mediteranean trade of that era, trading goods with Mycenaean Greece, up to the Celts in Britain and of course the middle eastern empires.

Even if a civ didn't have a certain type of resource, they could still trade and use those goods and implement them in their lives.
Which is why the pacific civs and Australian aboriginals were living primitively like cavemen even in the 18th century. They lacked resources and they lacked communication with other nations to trade stuff to.

Cattle domestication plays a big part too, using cattle to plough the land naturally saves more time, and does more effective work. Which is why North American tribes were less advanced than mesoamerican and south American empires.
There was another thread in deep thoughts I can't find right now but I wrote something a while back related to this: basically I took the Guns, Germs, and Steel approach and pointed out that environmental/circumstantial pressures have far more of an impact on why certain societies developed and gained advantages the way they did, and the strange thing is that so many people terrified of white supremacy should agree with this - because if true it fully discredits the idea that Africans and Indians and other darker skinned people are just naturally incapable - yet they don't.

Europe could develop a booming population because they had fertile land. I think they also developed a more disciplined and competitive attitude at large because one thing Europe has to deal with that Africa doesn't is winter. That puts a massive time pressure to grow your crops on a rigid timetable and also figure out how to store it so that your civilization doesn't starve to death once the snow falls. This will spur the development of farming and machinery technology. I posited it's also why religious institutions became organized political powers in Europe while indigenous African religions mostly remained small and animistic tribal practices - if nothing else people needed to follow a church that would tell give them rules to follow just so they didn't succumb to the elements. Most places in Africa capable of growing crops don't experience any significant seasonal change so there's no equivalent pressure.

Hundreds of years of that difference leads to Europeans that live in much more concentrated population centers, which increases their resistance to disease. That competitive spirit needed to fight off nature's wrath led people to focus on expansionism and trade because "we should always grow because there are always new problems and complications on the horizon we can't predict" became part of the zeitgeist. Africans could have built fleets of trade/war ships and colonized the rest of the world too... if Africans had grown up in Europe instead.

Such a comparison says little about race and intelligence. If people who live in grass huts haven't "progressed" in millennia it could be, because everything they need is locally available.

In order to build tall buildings out of brick and steel, you need a hell of a lot of infrastructure. In fact maintaining the buildings and the infrastructure is cumbersome and arguably unsustainable. Takes a heck of a lot of resources.

But thing is, you live in a grass hut it serves the same purpose as an apartment in the city. Shelter. And if some grass blows away, you just find more and stick it on. No worries about eviction, rent going up, the A.C. failing, etc.
Agreed on the same principle. It's a lot like evolution, and people's misconception of it. Crocodiles haven't remained unchanged for 100 million years because their genes are stupid, it's because their basic form has been perfectly suitable for that long and pressures haven't rendered it obsolete yet. If African peoples still survive in grass huts it's because they just haven't needed to change. Europeans built towers out of stone and steel because Europeans living in grass huts lost half their children to cold snaps every year and they were tired of it.

Still, every IQ test I've ever taken* relies at least partially on a set of skills that get better with practice. If I give you a letter and one minute to list as many words as possible starting with that letter, will you score higher if you grew up reading novels? How about comic books? How about blog posts? If I give you a sequence of numbers and ask you to figure out the one that is missing, will you score higher if you went to a private elementary school in the suburbs? How about a chaotic public elementary school in a big city?
Basically this is exactly what I think of IQ testing. I don't believe it sufficiently accounts for the meta causes of performance success and failure.
 
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