/r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[My Assorted Spergery about TFE]
Update: they're apparently planning to DFE in relation to the new ATW flavour. Can't blame them, seeing as they had their mod removed from the workshop for it. (Or was that intentional?)

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The Flavor Expansion sounds like a Guy Fieri themed expansion, not a mega child rape slavery mod
 
O9A flavor mod I believe if real.
Yep.
I like that he doesn't misgender her we stan a trans positive king
Didn't adamwaffle fall appart because of some drama involving tranny?
Slight drama in the TFR sphere apparently the TFR Devs have completely condemned the flavour expansion submod for apparently including written CSAM (what the event is that caused this reaction I don't know) but this has lead to some TFX Devs being banned from the TFR discord server since TFX also integrates the flavour expansion submod.

Here are screenshots from my playthrough. Mostly post unification stuff but it should be enough to give you the idea.
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Really? Which one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmVRGeL70mY I can't remember the MATI stream but it was this one. There are others that are pretty good.
Honestly I'm still conflicted as to if the TFE ATW events are meant to make the player feel bad for siding with them, or if it's just edge for edginess sake. I honestly stopped using the mod because it automatically played sound files for certain events, and I don't want my jam sessions interrupted.
I could see playing them just as an exploration of what those groups are. Like this isn't really a relevant ideology but imagine seriously exploring Posadism. These weird fringe political groups can be interesting just from that perspective. That being said I think it is just hard to write a group like that well. And you know the 764/O9A people have interests in making certain portrayals of themselves etc etc.
 
How likely this was all planned in order to gain attention?
Why would a already popular submod for a HOI4 mod want to gain attention? Why would they go about it be adding events directly referencing real life child rapists and other shit?
I don't follow the train of logic here outside a "any publicity is good publicity" argument, and even then it clearly wasn't because it immediately resulted in the mod getting disavowed by the TFR team, it's team getting banned from the TFR discord, and then pulled off the workshop.
 
To be fair the different political factions of people often don't get along and in all honesty HOI4 functions best as a sandbox much like early fallout games which let you do whatever you want.
IMO, HOI4 mods at any complexity level that could justify an event longer than 60 words should be spearheaded by one turbo-autistic artist who makes a mod that is above all his. TNO was at its peak when it was like this under Panzer. That is true even if that means large amounts of bias. The worst thing in the world is trying to run from bias where it is inevitable (like an alternate-history HOI4 mod.) In that sense, different political factions of people not getting along is a non-issue. I'd much rather read a well-written leftist wank than an ostensibly neutral depiction of a faction that is so sanitised that it doesn't say anything beyond describing a scene. Not everything has to be a spunkgargleweewee-like collection of sanitised schizo paths that all get big bonuses and fight eachother - trying to put down a mod for not being that is silly.

That said, nothing in TFE gives off the idea that it is not just a sanitised collection of fanfiction.
 
I think the issue that these events suffer from is being too detailed that it loses all horror and just becomes gross. The idea of Atomwaffen stringing along pedophiles with the purchase of trafficked kids for money is a good bit of world building and can make for a good event, but once you start describing the pedophile licking his lips and shit, it becomes gross. The Rape Waffen is just edgelord shit for edgelord sake, I can't even be grossed out by it's content it's just so cartoonish.
The categorization event is the best example of "so much detail that it becomes gross." If the event didn't describe what each category was, and instead left each of them up to interpretation as people were labeled and carted off, it would probably be a amazing bit of world building that would leave people theorizing as to what the letters mean. Instead it now comes off as some guy's, at best, Jeff the Killer tier fanfic, and at worst as some guy's barely disguised fetish.
 
Checked it out, the events are real and part of TFE.
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I would like to make it known that through my clever Jugaad in archiving the mod, I have poached much Izzat from the TFE dev team by posting this.
Slight drama in the TFR sphere apparently the TFR Devs have completely condemned the flavour expansion submod for apparently including written CSAM (what the event is that caused this reaction I don't know) but this has lead to some TFX Devs being banned from the TFR discord server since TFX also integrates the flavour expansion submod.
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Made by a former dev... Sure. Like how all the bad content in TFR like the NSM was made by Czar and co. or how all the fetish content in Fallout the Frontier was made by one guy.
 
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Here are screenshots from my playthrough. Mostly post unification stuff but it should be enough to give you the idea.
Thanks for posting these.
I quite like some of the sci-fi writing. It's amateurish for sure but kinda cool. I like the academy for elites that encourages bullying, very Ender's Game. The housewife killing the runaway threw me off, but it was also early in the pictures posted. TNO would have some boring crud about how she helps him run away to Canada and gets caught after the fact.
My favorite was some of the "Med" stuff where a drug cook struggles to make actually useful medicines. That plus "Breakfast" where they outline how surpassed by the Asians and Europeans they are really outlines how things would actually be in that situation. I would figure that the Asian and European black market would want something though. Wacky stuff like this is part of what makes the wilder paths in TFR entertaining.
I really disliked any of the "episodes" or any of the writing having to do with Jack. An event outlining how bad things are in LA, sure, but honestly it's just grotesque and even worse, boring. Another case of some guys thinly disguised fetish. The Fallout vault reference was just plain lazy. The "neo-eugenic" thing is a grotesque concept on many levels but probably accurate to the brutality that would exist, and I thought was building up to be a "counter-cultural" element against the power bloc in D.C. I thought it would end with some kind of sectarian violence and another civil war/purge, even if just in event only.
A lot of the factory and plantation brutality is really samey. I guess you could argue that's the point, but it's incredibly generic. I never got why the factory workers didn't get stuff like gloves or masks for welding. I get that it's part of the torture or whatever, but it would get more productivity out of them and the masks and gloves, etc. are probably already made and there when they took over the factory. I'm being to logical about it I know, but it's exemplary of how amateurish or cartoonish (yes I get being cartoony is arguably part of the point) some of it really is.
 
>trying to mod in israeli victory scenario civil wars
>egyptian civil war decisions not showing up anymore
>baathist iraqi syria decisions not showing up anymore
>syrian civil war decisions still show up
>jordanian civil war decisions still show up
>all of them are dependent on the same global flag to be visible
>said flag is set be active

For Christ's sake.
 
Someone on the team leaked the updated plans for Gus Hall in the US rework to 4chan. tl;dr go center-left or get impeached.
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I liked the old concept for Yockey and Hall and how both were built up over the years. It did capture the decline of America better than TFR does in many ways as events built up the frustrations from voters as their elected officials never did anything, a good piece of narrative feedback to your actions. I think that's only become more relevant with time. Both ended on cliffhangers that implied that America as we knew it was about to drastically change. The US rework really is end of history liberalism where you can only delay the inevitable march towards contemporary establishment centrism. Wallace is another one; from being able to enact nationwide segregation and his election being extremely consequential for the nation, to him barely delaying civil rights by a few years in parts of America. Nothing ever happens.
There is one that baffles me here, why would the House elect Hall? I feel like they'd rather roll with a nobody than elect an actual open Communist. An interesting way to elect him would be for Browderism to be more successful in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. Slowly, Communist agents would begin infiltrating the unions and the Democratic Party, running more and more successful candidates as radicalism grows in America (ofc, they wouldn't call themselves Communists, maybe DemSocs or something of that matter idk) in 1972, a shock comes in as Gus Hall (or another Commie idk) wins the Democratic primaries off the back of disaffected liberals/progressives and radicalized workers (maybe this could be part of the Imperial Nixon path). Initially, Hall would seem to destined to lose, but thanks to sublime campaign and the failures of the opponent means he wins by a squeaker.

Once elected president, he'd have three routes: a moderate one, a radical one and a failstate. The moderate one means he basically becomes a SocDem with some more radical opinions, this would be the easiest gameplay wise but it'd be the most boring one. The radical one would be focused on hijacking the state, securing support from the army and generally radicalizing the workers further (maybe an IWW revival comes into play?). Generally, the idea would be that around late '75-early '76 you'd launch what is essentially an self-coup, sidelining congress and ruling by executive order and basically rigging the 1976 election (maybe you could add a constitutional convention for the bicentenary as an epilogue idk). Of course, turning America into a Communist country would not be easy, you'd have Congress, the courts and the army opposing any truly radical actions. Thus, if you fail to seize enough control, three failstates could occur, one where Hall is impeached by Congress (fail to seize enough control early on), leadng to his VP/Speaker of the House taking over and ending with an epilogue they essentially jerk themselves off over how they saved the republic or whatever while ignoring the conditions which led to Hall being elected. Meanwhile, if you are further along the transformation of America, the army would step in if you fail (as Congress would be dominated by you), the army coup would be divided into sub-paths, one AuthDem, where the generals pinky promises of restoring democracy do hold some weight, and a PatAut one, where the army launches McCarthyism on steroids and essentially bullies Congress into compliance (Congress would be led by a conservative coalition which would rubber-stamp whatever the generals want).

(Sorry if this is unstructured, I came up with this in like 5 minutes and I'm sure it could use some more work)
 
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There is one that baffles me here, why would the House elect Hall? I feel like they'd rather roll with a nobody than elect an actual open Communist. An interesting way to elect him would be for Browderism to be more successful in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. Slowly, Communist agents would begin infiltrating the unions and the Democratic Party, running more and more successful candidates as radicalism grows in America (ofc, they wouldn't call themselves Communists, maybe DemSocs or something of that matter idk) in 1972, a shock comes in as Gus Hall (or another Commie idk) wins the Democratic primaries off the back of disaffected liberals/progressives and radicalized workers (maybe this could be part of the Imperial Nixon path). Initially, Hall would seem to destined to lose, but thanks to sublime campaign and the failures of the opponent means he wins by a squeaker.

Once elected president, he'd have three routes: a moderate one, a radical one and a failstate. The moderate one means he basically becomes a SocDem with some more radical opinions, this would be the easiest gameplay wise but it'd be the most boring one. The radical one would be focused on hijacking the state, securing support from the army and generally radicalizing the workers further (maybe an IWW revival comes into play?). Generally, the idea would be that around late '75-early '76 you'd launch what is essentially an self-coup, sidelining congress and ruling by executive order and basically rigging the 1976 election (maybe you could add a constitutional convention for the bicentenary as an epilouge idk). Of course, turning America into a Communist country would not be easy, you'd have Congress, the courts and the army opposing any truly radical actions. Thus, if you fail to seize enough control, three failstates could occur, one where Hall is impeached by Congress (fail to seize enough control early on), leadng to his VP/Speaker of the House taking over and ending with an eplougue they essentially jerk themselves off over how they saved the republic or whatever while ignoring the conditions which led to Hall being elected. Meanwhile, if you are further along the transformation of America, the army would step in if you fail (as Congress would be dominated by you), the army coup would be divided into sub-paths, one AuthDem, where the generals pinky promises of restoring democracy do hold some weight, and a PauAut one, where the army launches McCarthyism on steriods and essentially bullies Congress into complaince (Congress would be led by a conservative coalition which would rubberstamp whatever the generals want).

(Sorry if this is unstructured, I came up with this in like 5 minutes and I'm sure it could use some more work)
Alternative idea: Hall kills all the rich people.

Misc Income: +$600000000

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Didn't adamwaffle fall appart because of some drama involving tranny?
Afaik a couple of them were fucking the same tranny and this lover’s quarrel snowballed into the group’s fracture
I have read the entire AWD thread so i can illuminate the affair. It's really biggest case of chinese whispers ever. One atomwaffen member was in same discord server with the trans strasserist, then people memed they were fucking. Then it turned into that all atomwaffen leaders were fucking the troon, and eventually that turned into the reason why awd collapsed. Real reason of course is that all senior members were arrested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_..._the_United_States_who_faced_criminal_charges

Troons love repeating the awd troon meme because its troon fetish that straight men drool after them because they pass so well. So dont prop up troon delusions by repeating it. AWD had plenty of biological women groupies, not like they had to fight over frankenpussy
 
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