🤝 Community Quiverfull Movement Lolcows - Starring the Duggars

[Dr. Butt]

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This may strike some Kiwis as harsh, but I believe that every branch involved in this story deserves to be pruned. No one here has genes that need to be propagated.

 

[mold]

purge needs to include TLC execs and all the crews because people absolutely knew this was going on and didn't report because they didn't want to lose their gravy train

 

[Lentil Soup]

Not strictly Quiverfull, but bodycam footage was recently released of the arrest of Samuel Bateman who is the self-ID'd successor to Warren Jeffs. He committed the classic felon mistake of violating traffic laws while also committing horrible crimes across state lines. He was arrested in Flagstaff, AZ for allowing his child brides (the youngest being 9) to ride in a trailer without seatbelts.

EWU compiled the bodycam footage into a pretty cohesive documentary here. It's incredibly creepy seeing the teen girls basically recite sovereign citizen lines while the police are just trying to identify them.

This sect was apparently extra freaky and would require followers to engage in group sex acts, with Bateman apparently also requiring male followers to fellate him as an atonement ritual. Several other members were arrested as well for the CSA including some of the adult wives, which like, idk I know they're brainwashed but it's basic human instinct to know that you can't do that to a fucking 9 year old.

 

[brooky]

This sect was apparently extra freaky and would require followers to engage in group sex acts, with Bateman apparently also requiring male followers to fellate him as an atonement ritual.

At a certain point, wouldn't you just get tired? I've always wondered this about predatory male cult leaders.

Maybe this is one of those things where if you don't have a conscience you don't get stressed out about stuff. No conscience means none of the stress and exhaustion that makes a man simply not up for it all the goddamn time.

 

[Lentil Soup]

At a certain point, wouldn't you just get tired? I've always wondered this about predatory male cult leaders.

For real, I feel like if I actually had a libido this insane I would want to be medicated for it. I know power is an element but jeez.

 

[NerdShamer]

At a certain point, wouldn't you just get tired? I've always wondered this about predatory male cult leaders.

Maybe this is one of those things where if you don't have a conscience you don't get stressed out about stuff. No conscience means none of the stress and exhaustion that makes a man simply not up for it all the goddamn time.

I'd just assumed that it takes a certain set of personality traits to stay an cult leader. Plus, having an abnormally strong sex drive is kind of associated with certain psychiatric disorders

 

[often puzzled]

This sect was apparently extra freaky and would require followers to engage in group sex acts, with Bateman apparently also requiring male followers to fellate him as an atonement ritual. Several other members were arrested as well for the CSA including some of the adult wives, which like, idk I know they're brainwashed but it's basic human instinct to know that you can't do that to a fucking 9 year old.

For real, I feel like if I actually had a libido this insane I would want to be medicated for it. I know power is an element but jeez.

Jeffs himself has always read like some kind of sex maniac to me, too, and Bateman seems to be similar in that regard. Plenty of the adult wives involved in the Jeffs stuff also co-signed what was going on and were present for some of the rapes of minors. Cults are generally skeevy, but the FLDS always seems extra-skeevy-- maybe because it's been around long enough that there's a lot of information available to the general public?

Bateman tries to differentiate himself from Jeffs with the way he styles "his" women. Jeffs-following women wear those sherbet-colored pastel dresses and never any red; Bateman-following women wear the deep, dark jewel tones. Because the best way to assert your religious differences is obviously how you style your female sex slaves (while you yourself dress normally).

The "atonement" thing is a loaded term for the FLDS. It's something that shows up in mainstream LDS stuff, but the FLDS goes to an extreme version. They talk about "blood atonement," which always seems to work out to "a good reason to make my followers kill people who disagree with me and/or are threats to my power."

 

[Lentil Soup]

Bateman tries to differentiate himself from Jeffs with the way he styles "his" women. Jeffs-following women wear those sherbet-colored pastel dresses and never any red; Bateman-following women wear the deep, dark jewel tones.

I'm glad you mentioned this, when I was watching the bodycam footage I felt like I noticed this but couldn't quite put a finger on it. Like it's ultimately a fairly minor difference but this at least displays the crazy level of control that the FLDS groups operate under.

Like conventional fundies and IBLP require similar modesty but the girls can at least pick out a maxi skirt at Target.

 

[Umaibae]

Freedom of religion shouldn’t mean freedom to subject little girls to your old man perversions, and yet, no one is ready to have that conversation in America.

 

[brooky]

Freedom of religion shouldn’t mean freedom to subject little girls to your old man perversions, and yet, no one is ready to have that conversation in America.

I feel like freedom of religion also means not telling little kids they'll go to hell if they so much as think about a different religion, but I guess that's a wider problem than QF.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

I feel like freedom of religion also means not telling little kids they'll go to hell if they so much as think about a different religion, but I guess that's a wider problem than QF.

Okay I'm gonna get neg rated to hell and back for this but, but, in defence of crazy fundies, they legitimately think hell is a very real place, and the idea of a tyranical god terrifies them so much that they genuinely want to help "sinners".

I have actually met people that have unironically started crying at the idea their family members were athiests because they were denying god, an unforgivable sin to them, and genuinely didn't want them to suffer in the afterlife.

These people are basically in an abusive relationship with a diety that may or may not exist, with little education and taught to ignore critical thinking skills. All they know is that freewill was a mistake and bend over backwards to atone for the sins of their fathers.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Both of you are right, and it illustrates the problem with "freedom of religion" when applied to fundamentalism. On the surface, it seems like it's giving everyone the right to choose their belief system, but in reality it just means the government isn't allowed to tell you what to believe. All other entities are free to use whatever dirty tactics they choose. For most people who grow up in a religious cult like radical Islam or the FLDS or IBLP, freedom of religion is only a theoretical legal right, not a reality.

We aren't all created equal. The law treats us all as if we were, which is necessary for a functioning democracy, but the reality is that some people simply can't and won't ever exercise their freedoms. They're too afraid, or too compliant, or too neurotic, or too stupid, or too complicit. They pass the belief from generation to generation because that is the ultimate and final aim of the belief itself. All other functions of the belief system are slaves to the end goal of making more Muslims/Mormons/Quiverfulls, who will then make more Muslims/Mormons/Quiverfulls.

I'm not a Redditor, so I don't think this means we need "freedom from religion" instead. Religion itself is not the problem; fundamentalism is. It barely qualifies as faith or spirituality in any meaningful sense. It's an unevolved and cancerous form of tribalism which weaponizes the human capacity for spiritual meaning and deep faith as a means to perpetuate itself at any cost.

I don't think the solution is for the government to regulate which religions are considered fundamentalist and ban them for infringing on people's freedoms. To be honest, I have no idea what the solution is. I'm not naive enough to think everyone can escape. Some people are just cattle and will forever be led around by some sort of extreme ideology, hence the rise of modern forms of fundamentalism without the God part. It's almost like they crave being told what to think, say, and do because they hate having to choose for themselves. The only way I've found to deal with these people is not to let them into my life. As a society, we have to be especially careful with letting them into positions of power, unless we want our nations to be completely captured by them.

 

[unwieldy_object]

Some people are just cattle and will forever be led around by some sort of extreme ideology, hence the rise of modern forms of fundamentalism without the God part. It's almost like they crave being told what to think, say, and do because they hate having to choose for themselves

Hard agree.
People really don't seem to get this part even though you can point at broader society where people exhibit the same traits in following what their political position mandate as the "right thoughts and view on pretty much every subject" and never goes against the permitted view even if they don't make any sense to a normal human being and yet people have the gall to whine about how it's impossible to understand how these fundamentalists are getting the support they do and how on earth can they recruit.
People are fucking sheep and even those who aren't sheep are too fucking naive.

 

[AnOminous]

Jeffs himself has always read like some kind of sex maniac to me, too, and Bateman seems to be similar in that regard.

I've heard that behind bars, all Jeffs does is jack off every waking moment.

 

[often puzzled]

I've heard that behind bars, all Jeffs does is jack off every waking moment.

He's also done enough in the way of self-harm in jail to make some of the BPD gorls blush. He's gotten knee injuries from excessive kneeling, banged his heads into walls, and fasted so excessively that he was placed in a medically-induced coma. He's been force-fed and has tried to kill himself.

He's continued to control his people from inside, though he did briefly admit that he was a false prophet (he's long since retracted that). When he does die, there are people who will consider him a martyr for the disgusting rapey pedophile cause FLDS. Everyone was lucky to avoid a Waco-style situation at the YFZ Ranch, but it could happen yet.

 

[brooky]

I've heard that behind bars, all Jeffs does is jack off every waking moment.

I'm a little surprised he knows how, after having easy access to dozens of obedient women and little girls for years and years. Was he humping the concrete wall before he realized he could use his hand? Did he think "Oh wow, I could've been doing this the whole time instead of ruining lives" or was he more concerned about the sin of Onan?

I hope he gets struck with painful priapism without relief, and after several days, he somehow cums blood until he dies.

@often puzzled
"knee injuries from excessive kneeling"

??? Is this like a prayer in atonement thing? Or is he giving everybody head? Or... both? I was pretty sure he thinks he didn't do anything wrong so why is he hurting himself?

 

[often puzzled]

@often puzzled
"knee injuries from excessive kneeling"

??? Is this like a prayer in atonement thing?

Praying and "receiving prophecies." He's the self-appointed prophet for the FLDS end of things (at least for his splinter of the splinter group), so he receives prophecies to relay to the followers. He then uses these so-called prophecies to micromanage every aspect of the remaining followers' lives, just as he used them to justify all his twisted actions while he was still at large.

I was pretty sure he thinks he didn't do anything wrong so why is he hurting himself?

He doesn't think he did anything wrong. If he can't be a godhead on the outside, then he'll be martyr on the inside. He's quite remorseless.

 

[Umaibae]

I'm a little surprised he knows how, after having easy access to dozens of obedient women and little girls for years and years

I firmly believe men/boys in FLDS and normal Mormonism get access to info that women do not. This includes info about the human body and reproduction.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I'm a little surprised he knows how, after having easy access to dozens of obedient women and little girls for years and years. Was he humping the concrete wall before he realized he could use his hand? Did he think "Oh wow, I could've been doing this the whole time instead of ruining lives" or was he more concerned about the sin of Onan?

50IQ retards know how to jack off without ever being taught. Clearly doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

 

[NerdShamer]

50IQ retards know how to jack off without ever being taught.

Isn't that mainly from a lack of inhibition? Granted, a sex cult leader isn't going to the the most reserved person in the world. But nearly everyone who's relatively normal had some variation of being averse to it at some point in their lives.