Pluribus - The new show from Breaking Bad creator Vince Gilligan

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This show is far too slow. Did we really need a ten minute scene of the afrijeet living out his Bond fantasy? OK WE GET IT. Feels entirely like filler.

35 minutes in and NOTHING has happened this episode. Are we being trolled by Gilligan?
 
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So E7 is out on pirate sites.
Anyway I basically just clicked the "10 second skip" button every 3 seconds for the whole episode and I missed nothing. I can't believe it, but somehow this was even more content-light than any of the previous episodes. Legit two things happened:
Carol got sick of being alone and the hive mind sent that woman she nearly killed back to her, and the hispanic guy tried to hike to fucking america while learning English and nearly died so the hive mind medevac'd him.
I saved you ~43 minutes if you watch at 1x speed and skip the opening+credits.

They said they had 3 seasons of this planned? Shit's more padded out than most webnovels.
 
So E7 is out on pirate sites.
Anyway I basically just clicked the "10 second skip" button every 3 seconds for the whole episode and I missed nothing. I can't believe it, but somehow this was even more content-light than any of the previous episodes. Legit two things happened:
Carol got sick of being alone and the hive mind sent that woman she nearly killed back to her, and the hispanic guy tried to hike to fucking america while learning English and nearly died so the hive mind medevac'd him.
I saved you ~43 minutes if you watch at 1x speed and skip the opening+credits.

They said they had 3 seasons of this planned? Shit's more padded out than most webnovels.
I think it's 4 seasons in total.

I liked the montage of Manousos travelling, but it was too long, too drawn out, too repetitive. Can we just fast forward to episode 9 where Manousos tries to kill Zosia and Carol will actually have to make a meaningful decision?
 
I get the criticism that the show has been slower that most (though I still feel like Severance is the worst offender these days), and if that's not your taste, that's fine, but I also feel like a significant chunk of this thread would watch "2001: A Space Odyssey" and go "why did it take two hours to figure out what was up with that weird rock? I had to watch a spaceship dock for like ten minutes to classical music, what was the point? Finally the AI seemed like it was moving the plot, but then there was a five minute light show before some weird aging sequence and then dude turned into a space baby without telling me exactly what happened. 0/10 overrated garbage that I regret slogging through even on 2x speed." Obviously a bit of a strawman, but I feel like not everything needs to be an exposition dump. Sometimes it's nice to watch interesting visuals and characters react to minutiae, and this has tickled that for me so far.

Pretty sure it's going to ramp up in the next two episodes though. Koumba's actor accidentally spoiled in an interview that Manousos' goal is to kill all of the infected, and given that the last episode's title translates to "The Girl or the World," there's going to be some significant tension between the two now that Carol is finally broken and just wants to scissor Pirate Lady whereas Manousos wants to crusade all of these "people."
 
so basically it's cinematic art with a plot for garnish
That's not an unfair tl;dr of my post, but I think the plot has advanced further than people give it credit for. I think the friction is that people expected a sci-fi epic and instead got post-apocalyptic slice of life for the most part so far. I've seen frequent criticism of the Bond fantasy scene in particular, but I think it contrasted nicely with a later scene where Koumba was genuinely delighted by Carol's avocado toast. He's been fucking any supermodel (or old maid) he wants for the last two weeks, but a novel breakfast demonstrated by a real person had a sincere effect on him.
 
I get the criticism that the show has been slower that most (though I still feel like Severance is the worst offender these days), and if that's not your taste, that's fine, but I also feel like a significant chunk of this thread would watch "2001: A Space Odyssey" and go "why did it take two hours to figure out what was up with that weird rock? I had to watch a spaceship dock for like ten minutes to classical music, what was the point? Finally the AI seemed like it was moving the plot, but then there was a five minute light show before some weird aging sequence and then dude turned into a space baby without telling me exactly what happened. 0/10 overrated garbage that I regret slogging through even on 2x speed." Obviously a bit of a strawman, but I feel like not everything needs to be an exposition dump. Sometimes it's nice to watch interesting visuals and characters react to minutiae, and this has tickled that for me so far.
Comparing this show to Kubrick is both undeservedly generous to this show and massively insulting to Stanley Kubrick.
 
I just wish the show had a character willing to ask the hivemind the obvious questions. I’d have asked for a daily report of all major activities worldwide first off, then an outline for the hivemind’s plans once cleanup is finished because what are the villagers in the towns the beaner character is passing through doing all day? There needs to be some revelation or something that explains what billions of bodies are doing all day absent the demands of individual desire.

They’ve got bodies producing “milk”, they’ve got bodies maintaining specific infrastructure like utilities in certain places, and maybe they’re building transmitters around the planet to propagate the DNA signal, but worldwide that’d still be a minuscule fraction of the population if comfort and desire are out of the equation. So is 90% of the world just standing in one spot all day drinking milk unless the hivemind has a task in proximity that requires more bodies? Does the hivemind literally just take over a species and have it cleanly manage itself into extinction with no other goal than to set up another transmitter to propagate itself? That’s fine if so, that can still make for an interesting show, just give me a character smart enough to ask the right questions.

I’m hoping for a reveal at some point before the end of the season that at least hints at what the fuck the goals of the hivemind are, otherwise I’ll probably write this off as mysterybox bullshit.


edit: and why the fuck wasn't her first request for them to shorten the voicemail message after they ditched her?
 
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I personally have no problem with the pacing of the show. I swear, most people's attention spans have been completely zapped at this point. If the entire first season was dumped onto Apple TV overnight, I doubt people would be complaining about the pacing.

The show lays out its Sci-Fi/Horror twists pretty quickly, and plays them fairly straight. We know on the very first the origin of the virus, what it does, how it changes people etc. Its pretty obvious to anyone that the endgame of the hive is to build "an antenna the size of Africa", and propagate the virus to other solar systems. Where the tension comes from is not knowing how the survivors might react to the new way the world works.

For example, HDP. Pretty much every viewer understood that the Hive was eating people at the end of Episode 5. The twist wasn't that the milk was Soylent Green, the twist was how casually the other survivors accepted what it was. The horror was just how convincing the John Cena video was.
 
The show lays out its Sci-Fi/Horror twists pretty quickly, and plays them fairly straight. We know on the very first the origin of the virus, what it does, how it changes people etc.
This was all layed out in the first two episodes, besides HDP there has been zero plot progression about the hive. And there has been extremely minimal character progression on the part of Carol, Diabate or Manousos. I agree they established the plot well, but they're doing nothing with it. I don't even need people to sit together and exposit like Matrix 3. There's plenty to do with characterization through action but there's none of it happening when they waste 10-15 minutes per scene on wide shots and nice vistas.
 
I personally have no problem with the pacing of the show. I swear, most people's attention spans have been completely zapped at this point. If the entire first season was dumped onto Apple TV overnight, I doubt people would be complaining about the pacing.

The show lays out its Sci-Fi/Horror twists pretty quickly, and plays them fairly straight. We know on the very first the origin of the virus, what it does, how it changes people etc. Its pretty obvious to anyone that the endgame of the hive is to build "an antenna the size of Africa", and propagate the virus to other solar systems. Where the tension comes from is not knowing how the survivors might react to the new way the world works.

For example, HDP. Pretty much every viewer understood that the Hive was eating people at the end of Episode 5. The twist wasn't that the milk was Soylent Green, the twist was how casually the other survivors accepted what it was. The horror was just how convincing the John Cena video was.
It's suffering from the same disease plaguing every other streaming show, the events in the show is more like the plot of two or three episodes stretched into an entire season, it's insane how little that actually happens in modern tv shows
 
I’m thinking the next episode will be 3/4ths montage of Carol and Zoshia doing activities where Carol will “catch feelings.” Then at the end of the episode Manousos will wake up in the hospital and absolutely freak, gravely injuring or killing someone. This will cause the hive to do their meltdown mode. Carol will be confused. We will deal with the fallout in the season finale.
 
I feel the show kind of kneecapped itself with the ultra-pacifism introduced in the sixth episode. The way they explained it in the second episode made it seem like they simply cannot harm or kill living organisms. Okay, that I can wrap my head around. However, not being able to pick apples or even farm wheat is just fucking stupid and has already introduced contradictions and is going to lead to plot holes.
When you really think about it, basically the entire human existence is harmful to yourself or to others around you. The trucks they drive or the planes they fly all over the place? These are inherently dangerous activities and involve carbon emissions, leading to climate change and making Earth a more dangerous place. Planning to build any kind of infrastructure, or the means to transmit the signal to other civilizations? Forget about it. It would involve digging, which would at minimum uproot trees or grass.
If the show is going to stick to these principles, I really don’t see what the hive’s endgame is supposed to be. Infect the rest of humanity and then sit around dying until the global population reaches some equilibrium where there are just enough humans left who can be fed under these restrictions?
 
If the show is going to stick to these principles, I really don’t see what the hive’s endgame is supposed to be. Infect the rest of humanity and then sit around dying until the global population reaches some equilibrium where there are just enough humans left who can be fed under these restrictions?
Only if you assume that the hive is benevolent. To me, it seems pretty obvious that its purpose is to replicate and spread at all costs (it is a virus, after all), but perhaps also to drive whatever advanced society it has infected to extinction, possibly to make the planet available for unchallenged colonisation. It needs living bodies around to carry out that purpose, so having them eat their own dead keeps them alive long enough to build whatever structure it needs to pass its signal on, but it wants them dead in the long term. The "can't cause harm" issue prevents it directly assaulting any immune as a side effect, but it clearly desires to subsume them; perhaps to prevent any possible threat against is own primary goals, or to prevent even the slightest possibility of survivors, or just because it is driven to consume all life. It distracts them however it can while it seeks a "non-harmful" way to assimilate them.

Everything the hive does around Carol and the others is entirely for their consumption. All we see of its activities is what it does around them. For all we know, there could be huge swathes of the planet where the "happy" drones are dying by the thousands, while strip-mining resources to use in the construction of a giant transmission tower.
 
Sometimes it's nice to watch interesting visuals and characters react to minutiae, and this has tickled that for me so far.
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>OH MY SCIENCE I LOVE WATCHING THESE CHARACTERS DO LITERALLY NOTHING FOR 30 MINUTES STRAIGHT IT'S SUCH SLOW-BURN SPINE-TINGLING KINO!!!! I'M GOING TO MAKE A 40 MINUTE VIDEO ESSAY ON WHY THIS IS ARTISTIC BRILLIANCE AND PEAK TELEVISION!!!!!
 
I'm enjoying it so far, even with the slow pacing. Nice to relax and not be in a hurry for an hour.

My theory is that somehow radio waves, or some sort of frequency, can interfere with the hivemind. Or maybe the 2 survivors who care will figure out some chemical that can disconnect ppl from the hivemind. I doubt this season though.

If they do manage to disconnect someone, it will be interesting to hear what they really think. I doubt it will be bliss, or maybe they'll want to be put back in? Hey at least this show is making me wonder about it.
 
Only if you assume that the hive is benevolent.
I've seen some argue that the hive isn't but only appears to be. With the exception of Carol and Manousos, the hive basically keeps the immune in check by keeping them content with whatever vice they want. Even with the last episode, they came back to Carol only when she broke down emotionally. They knew she was lonely (and sad) way before that so it's not out of empathy they came back.
 
Are there shows that still exist like Criminal Minds, The Wire or NCIS where you can just dip into that world, something cool happens in each episode without all this slow paced "intelligent" writing. If Breaking Bad didn't have a cool premise AND action every other episode then this show and BCS wouldn't exist.
 
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