UN Parliament initiates steps under Article 7 over Hungary's 'systemic threat' to EU values - EU is Hungary for revenge...

https://www.france24.com/en/2018091...punitive-action-against-hungary-over-rule-law
The EU parliament voted Wednesday to sanction Hungary for posing a "systemic threat" to EU values and the rule of law, initiating punitive action under the EU's rarely invoked Article 7, which could suspend Hungary's voting rights.
The European Parliament on Wednesday launched an action that could unleash unprecedented political sanctions against Viktor Orban's populist Hungarian government for posing a "systemic threat" to the EU's founding values.

The vote amounts to a stunning political blow for Prime Minister Orban, who had told the parliament on Tuesday that a scathing report leading to the vote was an insult to Hungary's honour and people.

Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto wasted little time in slamming the vote as "nothing less than the petty revenge of pro-immigration politicians".

With elections for a new parliament in May 2019, the vote reflects growing pushback among traditional parties in Europe against the rise of populists, who oppose migration and are accused of undermining the rule of law.

Adopted by 448 votes for to 197 against and with 48 abstentions, the motion marked the first time the parliament has itself initiated steps under Article Seven of the European Union's treaty. An earlier action against Poland was initiated by the EU executive.

Dutch Greens MEP Judith Sargentini, who spearheaded the vote, smiled broadly and breathed a sigh of relief before embracing her supporters in parliament in the French city of Strasbourg.

"It is a positive sign of this parliament taking responsibility and wanting action," Sargentini told a press conference afterward.

She had urged colleagues not to let Hungary off the hook, declaring that Orban's rule "violates the values on which this union was built."

The vote was based on a report that voiced concerns about judicial independence, corruption, freedom of expression, academic freedom, religious freedom, and the rights of minorities and refugees under eight years of Orban rule.

The vote takes the first steps under Article 7 of the EU Treaty, known by some in Brussels as the "nuclear option", which could ultimately strip Hungary of its EU voting rights.

Other EU governments could halt any further action, however, and Poland has warned it would do so.

'Historic vote'

In a brief speech to parliament on Tuesday, Orban vowed that Hungary would resist any attempt to "blackmail" it into softening its anti-migrant stance, which he charged was the motive behind the vote.

Though defiant, he was resigned to the outcome, saying the parliament seemed to have already made up its mind.

"Hungary will protect its borders, stop illegal migration and defend its rights," said Orban, who embraces a vision of a Christian Europe and opposes an influx of Muslims and others.

Opposition to Orban's vision does not just come from the left, with disquiet also in the main centre-right parliamentary group, the European People's Party (EPP).

The EPP's leader, Manfred Weber, said he would vote in favour of the motion targeting Orban's government, whose Fidesz party belongs to his grouping.

But a party spokesman said the group was divided about 50-50.

While Orban's actions have provoked opposition, they have been applauded by populists in the EU, with prominent far-right figures floating the idea of forging a pan-European alliance ahead of next year's elections.

THREATENED EU SANCTIONS 'ONLY PARTLY ABOUT HUNGARY'S IMMIGRATION POLICY'

The Commission, headed by EPP member Jean-Claude Juncker, has repeatedly clashed with Orban's government, especially since Budapest refused to admit asylum seekers under an EU scheme launched at the height of the migration crisis in 2015.

In July, the EU executive body warned it could take Budapest to the European Court of Justice over laws under which anyone assisting an undocumented migrant could be jailed for a year.

The top EU court could impose fines, which would be less drastic for Hungary than losing its voting rights.

The vote was hailed as "historic" by Berber Biala-Hettinga, Amnesty International's expert on human rights in the EU.

"The European Parliament rightly stood up for the Hungarian people and for the EU. They made it clear that human rights, the rule of law and democratic values are not up for negotiation," she said.
 
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The American reaction and the media reaction are two entirely separate things.

The media has been used to promote American aggression against other nations before. But usually when the US backed a coup or outright invaded another country, it was because of a valuable resource threatened by supposed commies, like oil, copper, or bananas, or because the nation supposedly hosted a serious threat like WMDs. Imagine if Hungary is the first country to suffer American aggression solely because "muh feels". Hungarians should be thankful Hillary Clinton isn't president lest they join Guatemala, Iran, Chile, Iraq, and many other nations in the fun of "regime change".
 
If Hungary wants to collect the benefits of being in the EU they need to shoulder their fair share of the responsibilities too.
 
Democracy is one of EU's founding principles, so they have a right to deal with Hungary for undermining it.

EU's version of democracy is why nations are now more and more bent on nationalism. If two countries (or just one with more influence than the other) benefit from something that hinders one country's economy, it's pretty clear who eats shit.

Likewise the refugee policies that some of the EU countries and certain parties are hell bent on enforcing are absolute madness. It's a 9/10 vote to jump off a cliff where the populations themselves get zero votes. And the clowns who vote don't even always read the proposals.

It sounds nice on paper that something is built on whatever good thing you believe in, but in practice it has become a punchline.
 
So it was oh so terrible when the UK voted for brexit, but let's go ahead and suspend Hungary's voting rights which is the only possible thing keeping them interested in not exiting. Got it.
 
This country faced invading armies and living under the heel and tank treads of glorious Soviet socialism, they aren't going to knuckle to bureaucrats who are now demanding the same kind of fealty with the threat of ..... unenforceable fines.

How the bureaucrats can't see this and can only impotently spout buzzwords is the real mystery.
 
EU's version of democracy is why nations are now more and more bent on nationalism. If two countries (or just one with more influence than the other) benefit from something that hinders one country's economy, it's pretty clear who eats shit.

Likewise the refugee policies that some of the EU countries and certain parties are hell bent on enforcing are absolute madness. It's a 9/10 vote to jump off a cliff where the populations themselves get zero votes. And the clowns who vote don't even always read the proposals.

It sounds nice on paper that something is built on whatever good thing you believe in, but in practice it has become a punchline.


In my view the EU has just become a colossal mess, a failed attempt at creating "The United States of Europe" by Europeans that don't really understand what makes the United States work and now with the swelling of populist and right wing leaning parties they're scared this failed experiment is going to burst apart like a balloon filled with too much water.
 
Don't all of these European countries still hold grudges against each other from previous wars?
 
The US still holds Civil War grudges with parts of itself, geographically and socially, yet it still "works" It's not that, not primarily.

It's the patchwork nature of Europe itself. The widely disparate cultures, the languages, traditions, religions, currencies, and not-insignificantly, the sense of national identity that social engineers thought could be easily brushed aside and supplanted with a continental identity that meant it was never going to work.

The immigrant problem was just the catalyst for finally pissing off large enough blocks of members who'd been bubbling with discontent over the decades just like the US rust belt got tired of waiting for relief from decades of economic negligence. In both cases, the final tipping point was when the political elite at the top hopped aboard the ID politics bandwagon and said "Eh, the 20th century model of the white working class is obsolete, they should just face that fact and go away"
 
This country faced invading armies and living under the heel and tank treads of glorious Soviet socialism, they aren't going to knuckle to bureaucrats who are now demanding the same kind of fealty with the threat of ..... unenforceable fines.

How the bureaucrats can't see this and can only impotently spout buzzwords is the real mystery.
Not to mention these same bureaucrats are screaming at the Hungarians, the Poles and other Eastern Europeans to take in a group of people they spent give or take 8 full centuries seeing them as nothing less than their eternal, mortal enemies and expect them to be happy with the idea. The fate of the EU was decided the second they brought that suggestion up to them
 
In my view the EU has just become a colossal mess, a failed attempt at creating "The United States of Europe" by Europeans that don't really understand what makes the United States work

imo the United States doesn't work anymore. It barely holds together now despite having the same language and culture. People corral themselves into specific parts of the country based on their beliefs. The bigger and denser the country, the more idiotic the system becomes, and people are demanding even more idiotic changes in the future. It's going to get worse every year, just like with the EU.
 
It only looks like that if you only go by social media and national news. On a local level most people are doing fine and the country remains productive. Our judicial system has thankfully stopped a lot of the bs.
 
Hungary should threaten to leave the EU. Watch this all go away in less than an hour.

Threat nothing, I say invoke the actual exit articles and see if you can drag Poland and Italy with you, who seem leaning in that direction, but don't want to be the only country with their neck out and become the big target a la' the UK. There are a few who want out, but want/need a consensus of other nations to sell it domestically, as otherwise, the Merkels of the continent can still shame them back under their thumbs by yelling "Fascists!"
 
In my view the EU has just become a colossal mess, a failed attempt at creating "The United States of Europe" by Europeans that don't really understand what makes the United States work and now with the swelling of populist and right wing leaning parties they're scared this failed experiment is going to burst apart like a balloon filled with too much water.
One thing they were missing is the Constitutional Republic the US has. It has allowed states to have a say and create certain laws in their jurisdiction within some federal limits. It's a check and balance system that goes on many levels. It's also why weed is legal in certain parts of the country.
On the other hand, the EU increasingly violates individual country's independence in exchange for what broad strokes of policies they have whether they like it or not. Especially in Southern and Eastern Europe were they have more national pride, they hate that nonsense. It's asking for another war in Europe on the with Germany ironically the "leader" of the EU.
 
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